Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-05-01 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/27/00 01:26PM At 04:40 PM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote: ... Galbraith endorsed technocracy, no ? The private corporations have technocrats/bureaucrats too, yet they claim liberal capitalism means some kind of anti-bureaucratic democracy. it's a "democracy" that

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-27 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:40 PM 4/26/00 -0400, you wrote: ... Galbraith endorsed technocracy, no ? The private corporations have technocrats/bureaucrats too, yet they claim liberal capitalism means some kind of anti-bureaucratic democracy. it's a "democracy" that follows the one dollar/one vote principle. John

Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-26 Thread Charles Brown
So, how is this liberal model, closer to the fact of the last seventy years in capitalist countries more democratic than the models used in socialist countries ? "Technocracy " is bureaucracy. Galbraith endorsed technocracy, no ? The private corporations have technocrats/bureaucrats too, yet

Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
I don't see any originality in Krugman's argument. The same story written in pseudo economic terms. What a news! As a free marketeer, he suddenly discovers that the "Economic Policy Institute find some trade liberalizaton it favors. But it almost never happens". Bingo! capitalism has never

Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:06 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: I don't see any originality in Krugman's argument. there's no originality in his argument. He proved himself to be original and clever a few years ago, so he doesn't have to be so any more. Instead, he can be a pundit. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his free market dogma... the "unoriginality" he rediscovered before he became a pundit! Mine Miner wrote: At 01:06 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: I don't see any originality in Krugman's argument.

Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:30 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his free market dogma... the "unoriginality" he rediscovered before he became a pundit! I think that it's unfair to dub PK a practitioner of "free market

Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
At 02:30 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his free market dogma... the "unoriginality" he rediscovered before he became a pundit! I think that it's unfair to dub PK a practitioner of "free market

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I think that it's unfair to dub PK a practitioner of "free market dogma," since he's a technocratic type. Mine writes: Unfairness? I am not quite sure. Almost all the technocrats I am aware of are "closet" free marketeers, either preaching "state regulated capitalism" to make sure

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
Technocrats in power in a post-capitalist country can also set themselves up as a new ruling class, as in the old USSR. True, but now. In the past, USSR was a socialist economy, neither a "state commanded capitalism" nor a "free market capitalism it was "state socialist".. Mine,Aysen Jim

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:00 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: Technocrats in power in a post-capitalist country can also set themselves up as a new ruling class, as in the old USSR. True, but now. In the past, USSR was a socialist economy, neither a "state commanded capitalism" nor a "free market capitalism it

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jordan D. Bell
-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:18324] Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd) At 02:30 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: i did *not* mean by "originality" "creativity" or "cleverness". I meant that Krugman "repeats" his fre

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
At 05:00 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: Technocrats in power in a post-capitalist country can also set themselves up as a new ruling class, as in the old USSR. True, but now. In the past, USSR was a socialist economy, neither a "state commanded capitalism" nor a "free market capitalism it

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:11 PM 4/24/00 -0400, you wrote: I am somewhat confused by the term technocrat. Is it used to mean one who uses power, or representative of a adherent of Technocracy's technological social design. yeah, but nowadays, as I understand it, a "technocrat" is simply an "expert" who makes

Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Joel Blau
Jim: Quite apart from all these political questions, I'm wondering how you think Krugman's arrogance plays? Do you think it comes off as authoritative or off-putting to non-lefties? It is interesting to me that the Times should feel compelled to muscle up with two dismissive columnists--Krugman

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread Jim Devine
Joel asks: Quite apart from all these political questions, I'm wondering how you think Krugman's arrogance plays? Do you think it comes off as authoritative or off-putting to non-lefties? It is interesting to me that the Times should feel compelled to muscle up with two dismissive

Re: Re: Re: Krugman attacks the EPI! (fwd)

2000-04-24 Thread md7148
ake concesssions for "free ticket", they "reimpose" authoritarianism on those systems to be able to better liberalize their trade regimes. On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]