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of those that overlap and intersect in complicated ways.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:52 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:19760] Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology
"J. Barkley Ross
[PEN-L:19781] Re: Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology
Barkley: My understanding of dialectic comes more from Hegel than from
Engels,
and I had always considered the idea of mutual determination as an
important
part of the dialectic. Do you have anything to say on that.
Rod
"J. Barkley Ross
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/31/00 04:24PM
Charles,
In my paper I briefly discussed some of Engels'
mathematical remarks. Some look prescient, some
look curious, some are simply wrong.
CB: Which examples are wrong ?
))
Perhaps it is the translator's fault, but I have always found Engels' piece
inpenetrable. Perhaps "interpenetration of opposites" does subsume "mutual
determination."
Rod
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
Rod,
I would interpret "interpenetration of opposites" as
subsuming "mutual
with Engels.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:19800] Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/31/00 04:24P
y, June 01, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:19800] Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/31/00 04:24PM
Charles,
In my paper I briefly discussed some of Engels'
mathematical remarks. Some look prescient, some
look curious, s
Charles,
In my paper I briefly discussed some of Engels'
mathematical remarks. Some look prescient, some
look curious, some are simply wrong. One example
he gave (not wrong) of the negation of the negation
was how if one takes a derivative of an integral, one
gets the original function
Charles,
Yes, I think that the interplay between chance and
necessity in chaos theory has a distinctly dialectical aspect.
I don't think I'll bite on the limit issue, although there
certainly are discontinuities that could be viewed as dialectical
that arise in such cases, e.g. in the
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/00 11:27AM
For those who are curious, I have a recently published
paper on these issues.
"Aspects of dialectics and non-linear dynamics," _Cambridge
Journal of Economics_, May 2000, vol. 24, no. 3, pp. 311-324.
It is also available
: Dialectical materialism and ecology
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/00 11:27AM
For those who are curious, I have a recently published
paper on these issues.
"Aspects of dialectics and non-linear dynamics," _Cambridge
Journal of Economics_, May 2000
Subject: [PEN-L:19761] Re: Re: Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/00 11:27AM
For those who are curious, I have a recently published
paper on these issues.
"Aspects of dialectics and non-linear dynamics," _Cambridge
J
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/00 11:27AM
For those who are curious, I have a recently published
paper on these issues.
"Aspects of dialectics and non-linear dynamics," _Cambridge
Journal of Economics_, May 2000, vol. 24, no. 3, pp. 311-324.
It is also available on
In a message dated 5/26/00 3:15:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No relation to Thurn und Thaxis, or
whatever that thing from Pynchon's Lot 49 is.
If Pynchon is right, everything is related to Thurn und Thaxis. But as a
founder of Thaxis, I think I may have suggested
At 08:44 25/05/00 -0700, Jim D wrote:
I don't want to get into quote-mongering (or to rehearsing old debates
from Marxism-thaxis -- BTW, what in 'ell is "thaxis"?)
Marxism-thaxis is one of the life forms in virtual marxism-space, which had
its own evolutionary history, birth, childhood,
At 08:05 AM 05/26/2000 +0100, you wrote:
At 08:44 25/05/00 -0700, Jim D wrote:
I don't want to get into quote-mongering (or to rehearsing old debates
from Marxism-thaxis -- BTW, what in 'ell is "thaxis"?)
Marxism-thaxis is one of the life forms in virtual marxism-space, which
had its own
Jim Devine wrote:
but what is "thaxis"? I know what "praxis" is.
Theory + practice = thaxis. No relation to Thurn und Thaxis, or
whatever that thing from Pynchon's Lot 49 is.
Doug
Jim Devine wrote:
but what is "thaxis"? I know what "praxis" is.
Theory + practice = thaxis. No relation to Thurn und Thaxis, or
whatever that thing from Pynchon's Lot 49 is. Doug
I thought it went back to the old saying,
the only certain things are debt and thaxis.
Or something like that.
At 16:51 24/05/00 -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 04:27PM
At 03:27 PM 5/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
This means developing an appreciation for what Engels was trying to do in
Dialectics of Nature and expanding upon it as well.
I think too much noise has been
u/rosserjb.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 3:39 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:19551] Re: Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology
At 16:51 24/05/00 -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
Jim Dev
Chris B. writes:
I think he [Marx] clearly saw humans as on a continuum with the animals.
(See his notes on Wagner)
Modern biology and psychology are similar, seeing "shades of gray" between
human (self-)consciousness (and self-self-consciousness) and the
unconsciousness of zooplankton.
Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/00 03:37AM
On this I would not quite agree with the following:
Charles B:
One other point, in class society alienation causes human history to
become natural history-LIKE.
I do not see that explanation anywhere in Marx, but I am open to
interesting
At 03:27 PM 5/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
This means developing an appreciation for what Engels was trying to do in
Dialectics of Nature and expanding upon it as well.
I think too much noise has been made about the "dialectics of nature." That
is, there's been too much criticism of Engels on this
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 04:27PM
At 03:27 PM 5/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
This means developing an appreciation for what Engels was trying to do in
Dialectics of Nature and expanding upon it as well.
I think too much noise has been made about the "dialectics of nature." That
is,
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