[PEN-L:253] Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-07-18 Thread Martin Watts
Max, Do you have Eileen Appelbaum's email address by any chance? Thanks in anticipation! Kind regards Martin Watts Department of Economics University of Newcastle New South Wales 2308 Australia Email: [EMAIL

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-23 Thread Anthony D'costa
Can we have some real-life identifier here? Anthony D'Costa

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-22 Thread boddhisatva
To whom..., Mr. Lear writes: "Bill Gates in fact sells little, individualized, non-scalable factories (Excel, Word, etc.) for producing knowledge that are made out of software. Once in the hands of the end-user, they must then exert considerable effort to create

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-22 Thread boddhisatva
Rakesh, Strict labor-value adherence once again led you to the brink of absurdity on Saturday. The limit on mechanization is physics, not surplus value. Clearly, clearly, clearly, if a series of solar powered robots could be created to fulfill the needs of a

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-22 Thread Mark Jones
Reflecting again on this question and in the light of Alfred Sohn- Rethel's Geistige und koerperliche Arbeit (1970 -- the English translation is unfortunately deficient), and his Warenform und Denkform (1971, untranslated, as far as I know) with its remarkable 1936 critique of the Frankfurt

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-22 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Why is the theft of alien labor time a miserable foundation for creation of wealth? One reading of this *Grundrisse* passage is the one I offered: while the utilization of machinery has indeed been inspired by the need for relative surplus value (and for this no one had a greater appreciation

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-21 Thread Mark Jones
For once I disagree with Rakesh: Mattick fell into productivist error, which Marx defintiely did not (and I remember the strong terms in which Alfred Sohn-Rethel, who knew Mattick, criticised him for this). Better to read the Grundrisse than Wages, Prices and Profit, and then to put Mattick's

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-21 Thread Mark Jones
William S. Lear wrote: And how, exactly, is the marginal cost of info-production zero? I can understand how this might be very small, for certain "info". But even replicating electronic messages carries a cost that is non-zero (ever try to administer a busy, high-speed network or a mail

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-21 Thread maxsaw
And how, exactly, is the marginal cost of info-production zero? I can I presume what Prof. Perelman meant was that once created, information can be used by additional persons or additional times without cost, unlike depreciable capital or 'exhaustible' consumption goods. Conveying or

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-21 Thread michael
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: Why is the theft of alien labor time a miserable foundation for creation of wealth? I have a somewhat different interpretation of miserable. My reading of the passage is, that as direct labor becomes a smaller and smaller part of the entire production process of a

Re: High Wages or Abolition of Wages?

1998-03-21 Thread William S. Lear
On Sat, March 21, 1998 at 11:42:31 (+) Mark Jones writes: ... the era of so-called informatics, which, as Rob Schaap and I and Michael Perelman and many many others have been and are pointing out, contains a radical internal contradiction, in that the marginal cost