Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-12 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Gene Coyle writes to Carrol, Carrol, I was talking of blowback, not the overthrow of capitalism. Kenya, Bali, and ... wherever is next seems to me evidence of blowback. Gene Coyle Doyle The point that Carrol made is still the same. You say that the unforeseen consequences

Re: Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-12 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doyle, I was not intending to refute Carrol. I agreed with what he wrote. My initial remark should have been Bush's policy is fraught with error. And thanks for pointing out my cognitive theory. Gene Coyle Doyle Saylor wrote: Greetings Economists, Gene Coyle writes to Carrol, Carrol, I was

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-12 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Gene Coyle writes, Doyle, I was not intending to refute Carrol. I agreed with what he wrote. My initial remark should have been Bush's policy is fraught with error. And thanks for pointing out my cognitive theory. Doyle: I'm not sure what to say. Your welcome for your

Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-11 Thread soula avramidis
We are on the lookout for weak links in the chain of capitalism and imperialism, so to speak.they are one and the same they are one and the same they are one and the same they are one and the same they are one and the same they are one and the same they are one and the same Yoshie Furuhashi

Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-11 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Carrol Cox writes, Viewed abstractly, from outside history, their strategy has been stupid for 500 years, and Massive retaliation for everything describes the crushing of rebellions in the english countryside in the 16th century, the long massacre of the 18th century

Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-11 Thread Carrol Cox
soula avramidis wrote: they are one and the same Yes, in the way I and my skin or I and my skeleton are both the same. One might say that imperialism is the mode of existence of capitalism. However one phrases the identity, it is still necessary to see that conceptually capitalism and

Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-11 Thread joanna bujes
At 02:06 PM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: joanna bujes wrote: I assume all sorts of unimaginable consequences will flow out of the attempt to remake the Middle East. I wonder if anyone in power gives any thought whatsoever to long-term consequences. Nah. They're too stupid and too arrogant.

Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-11 Thread Eugene Coyle
Carrol, I was talking of blowback, not the overthrow of capitalism. Kenya, Bali, and ... wherever is next seems to me evidence of blowback. Gene Coyle Carrol Cox wrote: Eugene Coyle wrote: I say stupid in the following sense: The US has adopted the same strategy as has Israel -- massive

Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-11 Thread Carrol Cox
Eugene Coyle wrote: Carrol, I was talking of blowback, not the overthrow of capitalism. Kenya, Bali, and ... wherever is next seems to me evidence of blowback. Gene Coyle Yeah -- I see. I'm thinking out loud in what follows. That makes my response a bit skewed, or irrelevant to your

Re: RE: Blowback

2002-12-10 Thread joanna bujes
Better is Isaac Deutscher's explanation of the connection between the Nazis and Israel: it's as if someone had jumped out of a burning building -- and had fallen and squashed his neighbor (the Palestinians). Say what? Joanna

Re: RE: Blowback

2002-12-10 Thread Carl Remick
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't like the word Holocaust as it's been applied. It's best to avoid it, since it's used as part of pro-Israel propaganda. Better is Isaac Deutscher's explanation of the connection between the Nazis and Israel: it's as if someone had jumped out of a

Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-10 Thread Doug Henwood
joanna bujes wrote: I assume all sorts of unimaginable consequences will flow out of the attempt to remake the Middle East. I wonder if anyone in power gives any thought whatsoever to long-term consequences. Nah. They're too stupid and too arrogant. If they're so stupid, gang, how come

Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-10 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: If they're so stupid, gang, how come they've managed to run the world all these centuries? I think it's wisest to assume they know what they're doing. It's unwise to underestimate an enemy. But success in running the world is in itself no evidence for anything. As

Re: Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-10 Thread Eugene Coyle
I say stupid in the following sense: The US has adopted the same strategy as has Israel -- massive retaliation for everything. It is clear that Israel's strategy cannot bring it peace. Nor can the US. There is already only limited geography where US tourists can freely venture, and that

Re: Re: Blowback

2002-12-10 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any public mention of consequences is against the Patriot Act. Besides the heartlessness of the government, these people are stupid. And the conseaquences will fall hardest on the weakest of us, but on the rest of us as