Re: Re: Re: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread phillp2
very much so, a contemporary issue. Paul Paul Phillips, Economics, University of Manitoba Date sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:16:56 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:[PEN-L:35480] Re: Re:

Re: Re: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a footnote to Ken's post, at the time the Europeans invaded North America the total aboriginal population in what is now Canada is estimated at approximately 500,000. If that figure is close to correct, then there are now three times or more aboriginals in Canada than

Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread k hanly
- From: "Hakki Alacakaptan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35460] RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II > || -Original Message- > || From:Louis Proyect > > || > || "Paradoxically,

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2003-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
Hakki Alacakaptan wrote: What Indians? They were exterminated. Or do you equate the disruption of feudal society with the American indian genocide? Of course. I am not a social Darwinist. I am opposed to Walt Rostow "modernization" schemas even when they are cloaked in Marxist rhetoric. The notio

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread Hakki Alacakaptan
|| -Original Message- || From:Louis Proyect || || "Paradoxically, the forcible and violent disbanding of Indian tribes || during the founding years of the republic probably helped this process || and was thereforely ultimately beneficial to both the Indians and the || Americans." What Ind

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread Louis Proyect
soula avramidis wrote: I think in all Hakki's veiws on how society reverts to a patriachial tribal social order in times of crisis, and overall disarticulation are well presented. There was nothing of the sort presented here. This was what we heard from Hakki: "Paradoxically, the forcible and

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread Hakki Alacakaptan
I didn't open the can of worms willingly, as you will recall. My position is: Know the man for what he is, but the less said the better.   I don't advocate the condemnation of Ocalan or the PKK at this point since the Kurds of the Southeast have chosen him as their leader for better or worse

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-11 Thread soula avramidis
   I think in all Hakki's veiws on how society reverts to a patriachial tribal social order in times of crisis, and overall disarticulation are well presented. I really do not know enough about the presonal history of Ocalan and now i do not think that this matters in this context since we know the

RE: Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-10 Thread Hakki Alacakaptan
|| -Original Message- || From: Louis Proyect || Hakki: || >Never heard of Mumcu eh? You're scoring big today. Anyway, since you're || >obviously slightly less receptive to evidence than Perle is to || Blix, I'll || >call it a day. If anyone's interested in the rest, you got my email. || ||

Re: RE: Re: Ocalan - II

2003-03-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Hakki: Never heard of Mumcu eh? You're scoring big today. Anyway, since you're obviously slightly less receptive to evidence than Perle is to Blix, I'll call it a day. If anyone's interested in the rest, you got my email. Actually, your best bet would have been to forward information from a neutra