Re: Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again,...

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/5/02 12:05:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 04/07/02 15:34 -0700, you wrote: Tom has been reading the Grundrisse again. Tom Walker wrote: As individual effort has come to play less and less of a role in social productivity, the methods of

RE: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet)

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet) Tom Walker says:All I meant to refer to was the increasingly social character of production, certainly not its equalization or de-skilling... Then, I'd agree with you. I was confused about what you meant. (BTW, I like

Re: Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet.)

2002-07-05 Thread pms
The explosive aspect of the mess we're in would seem to come from the eventual dependence in their golden years of white dead labour on BOTH the surplus value and the cheap commodities produced by brown and yellow living labour in some exotic location. When the day comes they have to reenter the

Equitable Life (was Slaughter of dead labour)

2002-07-05 Thread Tom Walker
Chris Burford: A major pensions company, Equitable Life, is on the verge of bankruptcy. Some background on Equitable Life: Price saw practical application of Bayes' theorem in the actuarial field, since many annuity schemes had failed on account of the inadequacy of available mortality

Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet)

2002-07-05 Thread Timework Web
Jim, Before I can answer your question, could you explain what _you_ mean by evidence. Bergson says, The beliefs to which we most strongly adhere are those of which we should find it most difficult to give an account, and the reason by which we justify them are seldom those which have led us to

Re: Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but notagain, yet)

2002-07-05 Thread Carrol Cox
Let me ask a (possibly the same) question in another way. You make two claims: (a) According to the _Grundrisse_ human labor is more and more equalized (emptied of skill) through the development of technology and the division of labor and (b) this is also empirically true of the last 40 years in

RE: Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet)

2002-07-05 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27637] Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet) Tom Walker writes: Jim, Before I can answer your question, could you explain what _you_ mean by evidence. Bergson says, The beliefs to which we most strongly adhere are those of which we should find

Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet)

2002-07-05 Thread Tom Walker
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27637] Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet) All I meant to refer to was the increasingly social character of production, certainly not its equalization or de-skilling. By all means science and technology are attributes of human activity and perhaps

Slaughter of dead labour

2002-07-04 Thread Chris Burford
we are observing. If capitalism is the domination of dead labour over living labour, then this is a slaughter of dead labour (accumulated surplus value in the form of capital requiring ever more surplus value). Pensioners, who are also dead labour in that they are no longer variable capital

Re: Slaughter of dead labour

2002-07-04 Thread Michael Perelman
Warning: this is too good for me to resist stealing in the future. On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 08:01:04AM +0100, Chris Burford wrote: If capitalism is the domination of dead labour over living labour, then this is a slaughter of dead labour (accumulated surplus value in the form of capital