Brad,
I also noticed that the bill was concerned about the elimination of
corruption. What is the record of United States regarding corruption?
Our political campaigns are nothing more than organized bribery. Is it
possible for a non-corrupt politicians to get elected to anything higher
than
Rob Schaap wrote:
Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging
each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others'
backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making
sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a very
process, etc. etc. I'm reminded of that Barbara Krueger caption to a
photo of a football game - "You devise elaborate rituals to touch
each other."
Oh, sorry, this isn't economics.
Doug
Did I ever mention that the cafeteria at Goldman-Sachs, where I used to
work in the late 80s, was
Louis is right!
Mine
ps: I don't know how this message looks like. my server practically does
not work now..
This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or
even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other
people are/were happier in Situation A
Jim Devine wrote:
Brad DeLong writes:
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Louis Proyect writes:
I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about
the right of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today
to not have napalm dropped on
Michael Hoover wrote:
Louis Proyect wrote:
The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
developmental model to Vietnam?
-- Dennis
Cuba.
Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Doug
In game of what if: How successful might Cuba have
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/13/00 08:48PM
Actually, the good news about the move to the city is _not_ any kind of
automatic increase in the standard of living (since the powers that be,
including not only the US, the IMF, and the World Bank but also the local
bourgeoisie will
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/13/00 08:48PM
[*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
Leader (Stalin, Henry Ford,
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/00 01:46PM
Michael Hoover wrote:
Louis Proyect wrote:
The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
developmental model to Vietnam?
-- Dennis
Cuba.
Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Doug
Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature may reflect the
enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who were brutalized in the primitive
accumulation.
And capitalism continues to brutalize , for its powerful and efficient mode of
production is mirrored in an
Charles Brown wrote:
Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature
may reflect the enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who
were brutalized in the primitive accumulation.
I don't think peasants made a large contribution to canonical English
poetry, except as
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/13/00 11:19PM
I wrote:
[*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
Leader (Stalin,
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/00 01:24PM
Jim Devine wrote:
Brad DeLong writes:
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Louis Proyect writes:
I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about
the right of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a
In a message dated Mon, 15 May 2000 3:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Charles Brown wrote:
Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature
may reflect the enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who
were brutalized in the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And this from a former lit grad student! I think they need less
Theory and more literature in those classes. My old Oxford Anthology
of English poetry has not insubstantial chunks of material that we
would call folk poetry, medieval and Renaissance, not all of it is
The edition of the Oxford Anthology I have at work is dated 1935. Maybe they dumped
the folk poetry and ballads by the 70s, and reinstated them later? --jks
In a message dated Mon, 15 May 2000 4:10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Louis Proyect wrote:
This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or
even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other
people are/were happier in Situation A rather than Situation B.
Carrol
You don't seem to get it. This is not about a "Golden
Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here.
Carrol Cox wrote:
Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I
have been fighting against over on lbo.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail
In a message dated 00-05-15 18:09:36 EDT, you write:
A friend of mine from grad school, Donna Landry (co-editor of The
Spivak Reader), has been studying peasant and working class women
poets of the 17th 18th centuries. I asked her if she likes reading
the stuff, which from what I've
Michael Perelman wrote:
Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here.
Carrol Cox wrote:
Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I
have been fighting against over on lbo.
Lou and I always forgive each other.
Carrol
Please find attached one manly cyber-hug, Justin! Well-spoken, comrade!
If, as Frost said, 'poetry is what gets left out in translation' (though
I'm convinced Dryden managed to keep plenty of Chaucer in), 'tis even the
translation that's left out in the postie critique, where the heroic
couplet
what is this "manly cyber-hug"? (smile!)
Mine
Please find attached one manly cyber-hug, Justin..
G'day Mine,
Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging
each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others'
backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making
sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a very
In a message dated 00-05-14 00:02:44 EDT, you write:
Ransom, Roger L. and Richard Sutch. 1977. One Kind of Freedom: The Economic
Consequences of Emancipation (Cambridge University Press).
show that leisure increased immediately after the Civil War, however, that
phenomenon was short lived
Title: Re: [PEN-L:18928] Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons
(fwd)
How much of the legislation relates to
tariffs?
Brad De Long wrote:
And this is supposed to be an argument that U.S. restrictions
on
imports of African textiles are for Africans' own good?
--
Michael Perelman
Title:
An act
Brad,
Thank you very much the for sending the summary of the bill. I only
skimmed through it briefly. I know that Carl Linder with got some
provisions put in the bill that makes the retaliation against Europe
stronger regarding his banana interests.
I also noticed that the bill was concerned
-
From: "Michael Perelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 2:22 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:18916] Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)
Schumpeter?
Jim Devine wrote:
[*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of
the
USSR and that of the
Justin,
Ransom, Roger L. and Richard Sutch. 1977. One Kind of Freedom: The Economic
Consequences of Emancipation (Cambridge University Press).
show that leisure increased immediately after the Civil War, however, that
phenomenon was short lived after the Southern planters regrouped.
[EMAIL
Does this mean that peasant societies were inefficient or that a large portion
of the output was siphoned all by landlords and userers?
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
But didn't this have to do with limited food sources and chronic disease
and malnutrition? Peasant societies couldn't sustain
This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or
even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other
people are/were happier in Situation A rather than Situation B.
Carrol
You don't seem to get it. This is not about a "Golden Age". It is whether
radicals
But didn't this have to do with limited food sources and chronic disease
and malnutrition? Peasant societies couldn't sustain year-round work
efforts simply because most folks were hungry most of the time (no
refrigeration, few reserves, salt was a luxury, etc.), right?
-- Dennis
Not really. In
How much of the legislation relates to tariffs?
Brad De Long wrote:
And this is supposed to be an argument that U.S. restrictions on
imports of African textiles are for Africans' own good?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel.
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The
Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked
half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the
industrial revolution. That is the reason
My understand of the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture is that
nutritional standards did decline, but so did the risk of starvation. Agricultural
output was less uncertain.
Rod
Jim Devine wrote:
At 02:33 AM 05/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
Michael Hoover wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly, Cuba would have done quite well in the absence of both Soviet
subsidies and intervention from the United States.
The second is a very big if. Clearly the U.S. will try to destroy any
regime that resists the global hierarchy.
I wrote:
[*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
Leader (Stalin, Henry Ford, Sr.), who is then replaced by nameless
In a message dated 00-05-13 23:18:59 EDT, you write:
The ex-slaves weren't really "proletarianized" until the early 20th
century, because immediately after the Civil War most of them became debt
peons (though they did gain a lot in terms of leisure time and the like).
It's only when they
Schumpeter?
Jim Devine wrote:
[*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the
USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial"
corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great
Leader (Stalin, Henry Ford, Sr.), who is then
Brad DeLong writes:
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Louis Proyect writes:
I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the
right of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today to not have
napalm dropped on them because they
Justin writes: Having just finished Leon Litwack's Trouble in Mind, a
terrifying, beatifullly written, though not terribly analytical account of
bacl life under Jim Crow from the end of Reconstruction through the 20s-,
I think I can report that Jim is flat wrong to say that the ex-slaves
similar example to the point raised by Louis. Adam Smith's defense
of the "landed gentry" and country values can be seen as a reaction to
commercialization of the Scottish agriculture, a point made by David
McNally in _Political Economy and the Rise of Capitalism: A
Reinterpreation_. this is
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Brad DeLong
I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the right
of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today to not have napalm
dropped on them because they believe that the development
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The
Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked
half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the
industrial revolution. That is the
Louis Proyect wrote:
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Brad DeLong
I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the right
of a Vietnamese in the 60s or a Colombian peasant today to not have napalm
dropped on them because they
In a message dated 00-05-13 17:05:51 EDT, you write:
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Brad DeLong
Hey, Brad, revealed preferences, right? --jks
Thank's for the plug Louis. The book, as well as Transcending the Economy, is
not published.
Louis Proyect wrote:
This led to bitter and protracted struggles which Marx discussed in
Capital. It is also the subject of Michael Perelman's wonderful, soon to be
published "The Invention of
At 02:33 AM 05/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The
Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked
half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the
At 01:35 PM 05/13/2000 -0400, you wrote:
My understand of the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture is that
nutritional standards did decline, but so did the risk of starvation.
Agricultural
output was less uncertain.
Maybe, but it's not unmixed progress. It's more a matter of a
On Fri, 12 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
moreover, how would US develop its own capitalism without slave labor (
especially agricultural production in the South)?
Ah, but Marx would insist on the relative antagonisms between rival modes
of production: it's not that capitalism is identical
[Sorry -- I clicked the send instead of the quote button on the
preceding empty post.]
Louis Proyect wrote:
Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out...
Brad DeLong
I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the right
of a Vietnamese in the
Dennis, I exactly argued the same. We are talking past to each other!
See my previous post where I used the words "local" and "global"
capitalism..
Mine
There's local
capitalism, regional, urban, national, international, multinational,
financial, industrial, etc. and these modes of
1) This is also a reply to Brad who responded to my post on Vietnamese
women and capitalism. Brad, the point was about the social costs of
capitalism and the impact of economic liberalization on the social, class
and gender composition of third world societies. I argued that women
harldy benefit
The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
developmental model to Vietnam?
-- Dennis
Cuba.
Louis Proyect
(The Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org)
Louis Proyect wrote:
The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
developmental model to Vietnam?
-- Dennis
Cuba.
Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Doug
Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Doug
No.
Louis Proyect
(The Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org)
Doug Henwood wrote:
Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Who knows? This is one of those questions which, Jim Devine has
just pointed out on another thread, belongs to the genre of science
fiction. One can spin such questions out to infinity. Would Cuba
have grown
Certainly, Cuba would have done quite well in the absence of both Soviet
subsidies and intervention from the United States. The main subsidy to
Cuba was sugar. The Soviets paid a fixed-price, which was often above the
world price, but I think that sometimes it was below the world price.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly, Cuba would have done quite well in the absence of both Soviet
subsidies and intervention from the United States.
The second is a very big if. Clearly the U.S. will try to destroy any
regime that resists the global hierarchy. While the USSR existed, it
Certainly, Cuba would have done quite well in the absence of both Soviet
subsidies and intervention from the United States. The main subsidy to
Cuba was sugar. The Soviets paid a fixed-price, which was often above the
world price, but I think that sometimes it was below the world price.
--
Would _you_ have survived untill now without the US?
Mine
The more serious question is this: what *can* the Left offer as a
developmental model to Vietnam?
-- Dennis
Cuba.
Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies?
Doug
At 09:40 AM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Certainly, Cuba would have done quite well in the absence of both Soviet
subsidies and intervention from the United States. The main subsidy to
Cuba was sugar. The Soviets paid a fixed-price, which was often above the
world price, but I think that
On Fri, 12 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
market econmy do not seem to benefit these people. In fact, what is going
on in Vietnam is a sign of peripherilization in a country charecterized by
devestating poverty and inequalities.It is generally the most vulnerable
sectors such as women,
Dennis:
Nike's workers aren't slaves. They're proletarians. Do you have any idea
of what rice farming without modern machinery is like? You wade around in
a field all day, hunched over, getting sunburnt to a crisp, attacked by
mosquitoes, flies, and leeches, and have to put up with endemic
Violence is NOT ok in America, not anymore, thanks to Third Wave
feminism,
first of all, women are organizing in those societies against
domestic violence TOO. Did you ever attempt to look at the organizational
struggles of Asian feminist women? Women in sex industry ara organized
into unions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly, Cuba would have done quite well in the absence of both Soviet
subsidies and intervention from the United States.
The second is a very big if. Clearly the U.S. will try to destroy any
regime that resists the global hierarchy. While the USSR existed, it
Nike's workers aren't slaves. They're proletarians.
of course, they are proleterians. but Marx says that wage labor is another
form of slave labor, especially in the initial stages of capitalist
development. He talks about coercion and "forceful expropriation of
agricultural folk from the land"
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Louis Proyect crossposted from the Baltimore Sun:
MALNUTRITION IS EPIDEMIC: ROUGHLY HALF OF ALL CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 5
ARE STUNTED FOR LACK OF FOOD. HUNGER AND A GROSSLY INEFFICIENT AID SYSTEM
HAVE KEPT VIETNAM'S POVERTY RATE THE HIGHEST IN THE REGION: THE WORLD BANK
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