[PEN-L:864] Re: Re: Re: query

1998-11-04 Thread Thomas Kruse
Jim Deivne wrote: Does anyone on this list know of research indicating that the percentage of workers employed in the "primary sectors" of good jobs and relative job security has been shrinking relative to the total? Writing from Bolivia, Tom Kruse asks the appropriate question: In what

[PEN-L:865] 13% Of Black Men Ineligible to Vote

1998-11-04 Thread Thomas Kruse
From: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #65 -- October 30, 1998 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html.) [snip] 2. STUDY: 13% Of Black

[PEN-L:873] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: family II

1998-11-04 Thread Max Sawicky
Max What I had in mind was natalism, a la France, hardly eugenics. Still, natalism is obnoxious, since it is supposed to build up the "native" population. France did it to build up their army, I believe. This would help them fight the "Huns" and Algerians. . . . Not necessarily. It could

[PEN-L:869] United Church makes res-school apology

1998-11-04 Thread James Michael Craven
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:37:42 -0800 To:(Recipient list suppressed) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.I.S.I.S.) Subject: United Church makes res-school apology 1. United Church makes res-school apology 2. Res-schools:

[PEN-L:876] Re: crisis is over?

1998-11-04 Thread Tom Walker
The BLS Daily Reported, __Consumer spending greatly exceeded income growth in September, triggering a negative personal savings rate for the first time in almost 40 years, but analysts caution against reading too much into the development. __The National Association of Purchasing Management

[PEN-L:877] Re: RE: Gore v. Bush?

1998-11-04 Thread jf noonan
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Max Sawicky wrote: Funny thing is, class seemed to play more in some of the Southern Dem victories, and in some so-called 'right-wing' democratic campaigns. The model is the outgoing Georgia governor Zell Miller, who was 'tough on crime' but used lottery proceeds to

[PEN-L:878] the myth of the state.

1998-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:33 AM 11/4/98 -0800, you wrote: Max asked, What in tarnation is "the myth of the state"? Tom answers: Another way of saying "the myth of the state" would be the "story of the origin of the state". It can be seen in the contrast between John Locke (whose ideas summarize the liberal

[PEN-L:867] Canada inequality and homeless

1998-11-04 Thread Frank Durgin
Following are two articles from the world socialist web site Homelessness and hunger in Ontario By Lee Parsons 23 October 1998 Several reports over the past weeks have drawn attention to the

[PEN-L:875] RE: family/religion/economics

1998-11-04 Thread Tom Walker
Max asked, What in tarnation is "the myth of the state"? MBS Another way of saying "the myth of the state" would be the "story of the origin of the state". It isn't necessarily a lie or a falsehood but it is necessarily a fiction. It is a fiction because it tells about something that occured

[PEN-L:879] Re: Re: crisis is over?

1998-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:44 AM 11/4/98 -0800,Tom wrote: __Consumer spending greatly exceeded income growth in September, triggering a negative personal savings rate for the first time in almost 40 years, but analysts caution against reading too much into the development. etc. Doug will point out (correctly) that

[PEN-L:883] overcapacity - 'Ford chief predicts doom'

1998-11-04 Thread Robert Mac Diarmid
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE07FE.2D3E7C70 Ford chief predicts doom - Says 'dogfight' will kill all but six companies (Reuters) The auto industry is in a savage "global dogfight' that will speed consolidation and tumble some companies into failure,

[PEN-L:889] RE: Re: overcapacity - 'Ford chief predicts doom'

1998-11-04 Thread Robert Mac Diarmid
At 02:19 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: Ford chief predicts doom - this font is so small that I read it as "Ford thief." Sorry. Ford chief predicts doom - Says 'dogfight' will kill all but six companies (Reuters) The auto industry is in a savage "global dogfight' that will speed consolidation

[PEN-L:890] Re: Open Letter to the Nation magazine

1998-11-04 Thread Louis Proyect
At 05:30 PM 11/4/98 -0400, Victor Navasky wrote: Yeah, but... The only problem is Alex Cockburn is not our radical columnist. Maybe he once was (and he is certainly a brilliant polemicist), but these days he spends much of his Nation time attacking people on the left. What he is, is Alex,

[PEN-L:892] Re: Re: Open Letter to the Nation magazine

1998-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
Louis wrote: It's really quite simple. Cockburn is the house radical at the Nation. I dunno. What about Katha Pollitt, whose politics are (in my estimation) better than AC's. and Hitchens, who may be an arrogant ass and have some bad politics but has a lot of lefty-but-not-liberal things to

[PEN-L:893] Re: www.thenation.com/~louscorner.html

1998-11-04 Thread Louis Proyect
I'm not sure the conclusion of this dialogue takes clairvoyance, Louis. Navasky will check your Website and invite you aboard as the house Red. The whole world will be rocked from TriBeCa to Claremont Ave. Go for it! valis

[PEN-L:868] corporate salaries

1998-11-04 Thread michael
We have already noted that university administrators are using corporate salaries as the appropriate template for their own. Someone just wrote me to tell me that clergy who run independent churches are doing the same. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico,

[PEN-L:880] RCPT: Re: Valis on Cockburn III

1998-11-04 Thread Patrick Bond
Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 3 Nov 98 21:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:849] Re: Valis on Cockburn III Was read at 21:24, 4 Nov 98. Patrick Bond home: 51 Somerset Road, Kensington 2094, South Africa office: University of the Witwatersrand

[PEN-L:887] Re: Re: Re: crisis is over?

1998-11-04 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: Anyway, _why_ is saving negative? is it because the stock-market boom (now gone) encouraged excessive consumption, presumably by the upper middles and the uppers? (the wealth effect, expectations effect) Or is simply that income slowed rapidly so that consumer consumption plans

Re: [PEN-L:848] Re: Valis on Cockburn III

1998-11-04 Thread R. Geurts
Oh dear, somebody here is getting much more serious than the situation warrants. Comrade Eric (I can call you that, can't I? You can call me valis - lower case - in either assent or protest), Comrade Eric, I'm just sort of a court jester around here, an alarm clock sent by a merciful deity who

[PEN-L:896] Re: Re: Open Letter to the Nation magazine

1998-11-04 Thread michael
Louis, why don't you begin gathering signatures of those who agree with you on this matter. You caninclude me. At 05:30 PM 11/4/98 -0400, Victor Navasky wrote: Yeah, but... The only problem is Alex Cockburn is not our radical columnist. Maybe he once was (and he is certainly a brilliant

STEWARDS CORPORATION MOVEMENT - A NEW MOVEMENT OF POOR PEOPLE

1998-11-04 Thread Eric Sommer
RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER APPROACHES. USES `CONTRACTS OF CARE AND OBLIGATION'. NO ONE SHOULD BE LEFT TO STRUGGLE ALONE! STEWARDS Corporation Movement - A NEW MOVEMENT OF POOR PEOPLE Website: http://www.stewards.net Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:894] Re: www.thenation.com/~louscorner.html II

1998-11-04 Thread valis
quoth Louis: I'm not sure the conclusion of this dialogue takes clairvoyance, Louis. Navasky will check your Website and invite you aboard as the house Red. The whole world will be rocked from TriBeCa to Claremont Ave. Go for it! Shit. Navasky should come to me hat in hands to request

[PEN-L:874] RE: Gore v. Bush?

1998-11-04 Thread Max Sawicky
Would it be right to say that the Democrats have actually done better out of these elections than they might have expected before the Lewinsky story broke? Could be. Though they had some things to look forward to sans Lewinsky. The R's had overreached in policy areas and had been internally

[PEN-L:870] BLS Daily Report

1998-11-04 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- =_NextPart_000_01BE0811.A9CA7250 BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1998 __Consumer spending greatly exceeded income growth in September,

[PEN-L:881] RE: Re: RE: Gore v. Bush?

1998-11-04 Thread Max Sawicky
Funny thing is, class seemed to play more in some of the Southern Dem victories . . . According to my correspondent in Auburn, Ala, proposing using a lottery for higher ed bucks really helped the Demo (forget his name) to win there over the egregious theocrat Fob James. It seems if

[PEN-L:885] Re: Open Letter to the Nation magazine

1998-11-04 Thread Louis Proyect
At 04:05 PM 11/4/98 -0400 Victor Navasky wrote: Dear LP: Thanks for your past support and your report on why you have "stopped" supporting The Nation. 1) My assumption is that the editorial writer was using the term "statesman" in a generic rather than an honorific sense; perhaps we shd have

[PEN-L:891] www.thenation.com/~louscorner.html

1998-11-04 Thread valis
I suspect that if you took a survey of your readership, you would find many more Marxists than you would have anticipated. You simply can not take us for granted. The Democratic Party does this with blacks, Latinos, gays and women. Marxism is a different sort of thing. It is a deeply rooted

[PEN-L:895] Re: Re: overcapacity - 'Ford chief predicts doom'

1998-11-04 Thread Eugene P. Coyle
At 02:19 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: Ford chief predicts doom - this font is so small that I read it as "Ford thief." Jim, nobody steals Fords. Accords, Lexus, BMW, not Fords. Gene Coyle

[PEN-L:897] Re: RE: Re: overcapacity - 'Ford chief predicts doom'

1998-11-04 Thread michael
Trotman was probably Greider's source for a similar statement in his One World The Asian crisis may allow some companies to dismantle some of their capacity, but I still see the inablity to absorb all the capacity as a major threat to industrial capital. While financial capital's thirst

[PEN-L:871] Open Letter to the Nation magazine

1998-11-04 Thread Louis Proyect
Since this is being circulated on the Internet, where there are many non-USA participants, a word or two about the Nation would be helpful. The Nation was established in 1865 by a group of abolitionists and is the authoritative voice of left-liberalism in the US. During the 1930s and 40s, it was

[PEN-L:882] Re: crisis is over?

1998-11-04 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, Doug will point out (correctly) that there's a difference between the economy slowing (or going into a recession) and a crisis There's also a difference between normal stability and being unusually vulnerable to crisis. It doesn't snow every day in winter, either, but it's a

[PEN-L:886] Re: RE: Re: RE: Gore v. Bush?

1998-11-04 Thread jf noonan
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Max Sawicky wrote: I would put a much more benign construction on these two cases, namely that somewhere inside the Southern white working class, Bible-thumper or otherwise, is a constituency susceptible to left economic populism, and the emergence of such a tendency

[PEN-L:888] Re: overcapacity - 'Ford chief predicts doom'

1998-11-04 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:19 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: Ford chief predicts doom - this font is so small that I read it as "Ford thief." Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html

THE HIDDEN HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE POOR

1998-11-04 Thread Eric Sommer
THE HIDDEN HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE POOR by Eric Sommer The advent of the World Crisis, with its' disturbing mix of economic, ecological, and technical Y2000bug elements, , brings new importance to the hidden holocaust against the poor which has been taking place

[PEN-L:872] RE: RE: family/religion/economics

1998-11-04 Thread Max Sawicky
What in tarnation is "the myth of the state"? MBS

[PEN-L:884] Re: family

1998-11-04 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Max: In the same vein, it's not simply about economic provision, but about the values one would impart to children and the ethic of responsibility (both individual and communal). In a less positive vein, it's implicitly about breeding for the nation. On the whole, the pro-family advantage