[PEN-L:3481] Re: G.A. Cohen's Development Thesis

1999-02-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Yes, Sam, it seems to me your assessment of Cohen ignores the softer, "restricted" version of the development thesis he expounds after KMTH (1978). See his book History, Labour, and Freedom, Themes from Marx (1988) which is a collection of articles. My post yesterday relied on one of these

[PEN-L:3482] G.A. Cohen

1999-02-17 Thread Louis Proyect
G.A. Cohen's Marxism is a curious business. He tries to restore Marxism to its "orthodox" roots but his project ends up as a defense of a "stagist" conception rather than of anything Marx had in mind. Once he establishes this rather bogus "orthodoxy", he speculates on the political consequences.

[PEN-L:3486] A Y2K appetizer; sit down first.

1999-02-17 Thread valis
When, on or about last December 18th, the following report reached me, I put on a convincing I-gave-at- the-office look and ignored it. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood for being scared. About 7 weeks later, while performing one of my periodic deletion derbies,

[PEN-L:3487] Tragedy of the Commons36CA4D61.361687D2@igc.org v04003a00b2f08a22b618@[128.32.105.161]

1999-02-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Hardin's story is a myth. In truth, the communities that he describes had customs and institutions that kept the amount of livestock in check. But after the land became privatized all hell broke loose. Brad might be correct about his understanding of the wells, but I want to correct his

[PEN-L:3494] Re: Re: Re: Psychoanalysis

1999-02-17 Thread sokol
At 08:31 PM 2/14/99 -0800, Jim Devine wrote: In terms of actual psychotherapy, my experience and reading indicates that there are a lot of alternatives to the Woody Allen/Freudian routine of 5 hours a week until dead or broke (and look how well it helped _him_). Among other things, there's

[PEN-L:3495] Re: Tragedy of the Commons

1999-02-17 Thread Brad De Long
Hardin's story is a myth. In truth, the communities that he describes had customs and institutions that kept the amount of livestock in check. As long as population densities are low, and social pressures are strong...

[PEN-L:3499] Re: Colonial trade

1999-02-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Colin Danby wrote (quoting Ricardo Duchesne's message): On the Asian sink question, I clearly misunderstood your original post: But even if Europe extracted a lot of capital from the colonies, did not Frank tell us that a high proportion of it ended up in Asia or China as the ultimate

[PEN-L:3500] Re: Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Ellen Dannin
who said a "blonde" has any specific gender? Blonde is female. Blond is male. Ellen

[PEN-L:3508] Re: Tragedy of the Commons

1999-02-17 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Brad, True enough. But Michael P. is on to something that Hardin and most commentators regarding the "tragedy of the medieval grazing commons" case that Hardin was talking about rarely recognize. The "tragedy" not only coincided with the emergence of privatization, but that

[PEN-L:3510] Re: intensive vs. extensive development

1999-02-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Agreeing with much of Louis Proyect's commentary on Cohen, though not dismissing his accomplishments, I like to take issue with the claim that any developmental conception is teleological. Louis corrects me that Cohen still holds a teleological view: "History is not a relay-race. In a

[PEN-L:3511] A Y2K appetizer n-1

1999-02-17 Thread valis
Ellen Dannin arbitrates: who said a "blonde" has any specific gender? Blonde is female. Blond is male. Yup, we have a smoking adjective here. This case is over. (But, good grief, what hath I wrought?) Has anyone actually looked into this subject line's original payload?

[PEN-L:3514] Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread valis
Quoth Louis:You won't believe your eyes: 1. Go into MSWord 2. Type: I'd like all niggers to die 3. Highlight the sentence 4. Go into the Tools - Language - Thesaurus I know you may not have MS Word but what happens is you get a message saying, "I'll drink to that."

[PEN-L:3515] Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread jf noonan
What bullshit. I first saw this a year or two ago and the joke was to type in "I'd like Bill Gates to die". If you type in "I'd like Joe Noonan to die", you get the same result. Isn't there enough racism to combat without manufacturing it? On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Louis Proyect wrote: (This

[PEN-L:3522] Fruits of Microserfdom

1999-02-17 Thread valis
Quoth Doug, belatedly: ... I think this is Microsoft humor at work. ^^^ It comes up with the same response if you type "I'd like to see all the gerbils die" and "I'd like to see Bill Gates die" or "I'd like

[PEN-L:3523] RE: Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Max Sawicky
I think this is Microsoft humor at work. It comes up with the same response if you type "I'd like to see all the gerbils die" and "I'd like to see Bill Gates die" or "I'd like to be Gina Gershon." Doug The choice of alternatives in this post should should be enough to occupy LBO for

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1999-02-17 Thread Peter Dorman
Sorry for being a bit flip in my post. (I send these messages between reading student papers; this may affect the way I respond...) As I understand it, much of the great plains (US and Canada) share the same acquifer and are steadily drawing it down. Similar overuse problems exist to the west

[PEN-L:3527] Re: absolutely amazing

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
Sam Pooley wrote, As a daily reader, but by Internet standards primarily a lurker, I am astonished at the proclivity of PEN-L to wander into subjects which are barely progressive and certainly not economic. Don't overlook the possibility that the noise _is_ the signal. My sense is that the

[PEN-L:3529] Re: Re: Canadian Budget

1999-02-17 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
Sam, you asked in your previous post if John Loxley, Cho!ses and the CCPA put out an alternative budget this year. The answer is yes and they did meet with martin prior to his issuing of the budget but, as usual, he paid little attention to the AFT. The AFT was released at press conferences

[PEN-L:3564] Re: Re: Re: Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Eugene Coyle
Typo, or is that a lump of sex phallacy? Ken Hanly wrote: Only legal beagles know that ! Not many dumb males..Maybe she is a cross-dresser or transexual. Did u know valis..? :) Tom and I are guilty of the lump of sex fallacy, lumping together blonds and blondes... Cheers, Ken

[PEN-L:3565] Re: Re: Tragedy of the Commons

1999-02-17 Thread Eugene Coyle
Hardin had the Tragedy of the Commons backwards. The enclosure movement in England actually harmed the environment, rather than saving it by privatizing it. Oliver Goldsmith wrote from The Deserted Village Sweet smiling village, loveliest of the lawn, Thy sports are fled, and all thy

[PEN-L:3534] Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Brad De Long
I think this is Microsoft humor at work. It comes up with the same response if you type "I'd like to see all the gerbils die" and "I'd like to see Bill Gates die" or "I'd like to be Gina Gershon." The choice of alternatives in this post should should be enough to occupy LBO for the next

[PEN-L:3532] Re: Re: Re: Tragedy of the Commons

1999-02-17 Thread Peter Dorman
I don't know enough (make than anything) about SA to say anything intelligent about SA water policies. I do know this though: any sensible price-based system would lead to upper-income (presumably white) folks paying enough money to publicly owned or regulated water utilities to fund basic

[PEN-L:3531] Re: Canadian Budget

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
I heard (from a CCPA spokesperson) that Martin said he agreed with much in the alternative budget but that "the political pressure" was for tax cuts and paying down the debt. Of course, Martin is famous for making sympathetic, ineffectual noises while doing what the Finance Ministry mandarins

[PEN-L:3530] Re: Re: racism

1999-02-17 Thread Bill Burgess
Hello angela, Thank your for elaborating your points. You wrote about the usual 'rational' arguments against racism: these ways of addressing racism only take for those who are relatively powerful, who do not attach themselves to racism as a way of recovering or explaining to themselves their

[PEN-L:3526] Re: Canadian Budget

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
Sam Pawlett asked, BTW, Tom, has Jock Finlayson changed his toupee recently? I honestly can't say, Sam. Jock and I have an understanding when we debate on the radio -- he doesn't wear his toupee and I leave my cod piece at home. regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:3521] Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: And we thought we we gettin ahead--look what the programmers at Microsoft programmed for this. This goes to show that even after several centuries we still can't get rid of very ignorant people. If you have MS Word try it and see what happens. I have seen several other

[PEN-L:3520] Re: Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Doug Henwood
Tom Walker wrote: who said a "blonde" has any specific gender? The -e is a giveaway. Strictly speaking - and who ever speaks strictly - a blond is male, and a blonde is female. Doug

[PEN-L:3519] RE: Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Max Sawicky
Quoth Louis:You won't believe your eyes: 1. Go into MSWord 2. Type: I'd like all niggers to die 3. Highlight the sentence 4. Go into the Tools - Language - Thesaurus I know you may not have MS Word but what happens is you get a message saying, "I'll drink to that."

[PEN-L:3518] Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
Ken Hanly wrote, Only legal beagles know that ! Not many dumb males..Maybe she is a cross-dresser or transexual. Did u know valis..? :) Tom and I are guilty of the lump of sex fallacy, lumping together blonds and blondes... It gets weirder. If you recall, the "blonde" (female because of

[PEN-L:3517] Re: Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Louis Proyect
What bullshit. I first saw this a year or two ago and the joke was to type in "I'd like Bill Gates to die". If you type in "I'd like Joe Noonan to die", you get the same result. Isn't there enough racism to combat without manufacturing it? Fair enough. I guess that for some strange reason

[PEN-L:3516] Re: Re: Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Fascinating, but under what possible circumstances was this discovery initially made? valis I suspect that it was common knowledge at Microsoft, but somehow leaked out. Louis Proyect (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)

[PEN-L:3512] Racism at Microsoft

1999-02-17 Thread Louis Proyect
(This just popped up on the Marxism list. It is shockingly true.) And we thought we we gettin ahead--look what the programmers at Microsoft programmed for this. This goes to show that even after several centuries we still can't get rid of very ignorant people. If you have MS Word try it and see

[PEN-L:3507] Canadian Budget

1999-02-17 Thread Sam Pawlett
His Eminence Paul Martin gave his budget speech yesterday. He delivered the 2nd balanced budget in a row. The main point in the budget was 13 billion( over 5 years) in new spending for Canada's beleaguered health system. Also included was some tax cuts. An elimination on the 3% surtax on

[PEN-L:3506] Re: Re: Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Ken Hanly
Only legal beagles know that ! Not many dumb males..Maybe she is a cross-dresser or transexual. Did u know valis..? :) Tom and I are guilty of the lump of sex fallacy, lumping together blonds and blondes... Cheers, Ken Hanly Ellen Dannin wrote: who said a "blonde" has any specific

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1999-02-17 Thread Ken Hanly
The Olglalla aquifer. Perhaps those discussing this distinguished aquifer might enlighten unenlightened Canadians, South Africans, New Zealanders, and Aussies..etc. as to where this aquifer is, and its significance. I also don't know what Ostromized co-operative management is as contrasted with

[PEN-L:3505] Re: Re: Re: Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Ellen Dannin
who said a "blonde" has any specific gender? Blonde is female. Blond is male. I plead ignorance. Is the e a phallus, then? No doubt. It's French.

[PEN-L:3502] Re: Re: Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
who said a "blonde" has any specific gender? Blonde is female. Blond is male. Ellen I plead ignorance. Is the e a phallus, then? regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:3498] Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
who said a "blonde" has any specific gender? Uh-oh, that's my subject line but Rev Tom's gratuitous sexism under it. Maggie 'n Angela gonna eat you alive, Reverend. Mebbe Milton Friedman'll sell you a seat on his getaway plane. valis For

[PEN-L:3493] Re: Re: Psychoanalysis

1999-02-17 Thread sokol
At 07:40 PM 2/14/99 -0500, Doug wrote: There's a big difference between using psychoanalysis as a way of understanding why people think, feel, and act the way they do and using it as a therapy. Most kinds of psychotherapy have terrible success records. Psychotropic drugs can help a bit, but they

[PEN-L:3492] Re: A Y2K appetizer II

1999-02-17 Thread valis
Uh-oh, that's my subject line but Rev Tom's gratuitous sexism under it. Maggie 'n Angela gonna eat you alive, Reverend. Mebbe Milton Friedman'll sell you a seat on his getaway plane. valis For those who haven't yet grasped the

[PEN-L:3491] Re: Reverend Tom's prescient sermon on NAIRU

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
Rob Schaap wrote, Tom Walker wrote this to us exactly two years ago (4 February, '97): 'Stay tuned for 'The End Of NAIRU,' coming to a listserv near you. Two years from now you won't be able to find an economist anywhere who will admit to having believed in the 'natural rate of unemployment'.

[PEN-L:3490] Re: A Y2K appetizer; sit down first.

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
For those who haven't yet grasped the socio-cultural/economic implications of the Y2K bug: Memo from a Blonde Y2K Programmer: I hope I haven't misunderstood your instructions, because to be honest, none of the panic surrounding this "Y" to "K" date problem makes any sense to me. My assignment

[PEN-L:3489] Re: Colonial trade

1999-02-17 Thread Colin Danby
Hello Joseph, Thanks for an interesting post. What are "internal factors"? Can you give an example which clearly distinguishes the internal from the external? You raise the example of Spain. But what made Spain Spain? We have to draw on the reconquista and the formation of Castile in

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1999-02-17 Thread Peter Dorman
I too am all for Ostromized cooperative management of common property resources, but the Oglalla acquifer spans too large an area to be managed that way. Unsustainable water mining is a problem in large parts of the plains and arid west and demands far-reaching policies which will affect

[PEN-L:3484] Colonial trade

1999-02-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Colin wrote: I do feel confident in arguing that there's been a Europe- centered world economy for the last 400 years or so, in the context of which the european industrial revolution occurred. If that is granted and if it can be shown that significant scale economies existed in

[PEN-L:3479] Re: Re: Doug's question

1999-02-17 Thread rc-am
hi bill, It seems to me there are very shaky grounds for accepting that this "structural logic" really exists. Of course there may be something to it, but I can't understand building a whole political approach around it, which seems to me is what has been done. would i build a whole political

[PEN-L:3478] Re: Re: Colonial trade

1999-02-17 Thread Joseph Green
Colin Danby wrote (quoting Ricardo Duchesne's message): On the Asian sink question, I clearly misunderstood your original post: But even if Europe extracted a lot of capital from the colonies, did not Frank tell us that a high proportion of it ended up in Asia or China as the ultimate

[PEN-L:3477] Re: Re: Re: The WREN water system etc.

1999-02-17 Thread Ken Hanly
Yes. Is the Ogallala aquifer associated with the aboriginals in South Dakota? Arent there Ogallala Sioux or am I confused. Or what is it? I am not sure I am on any significant aquifer. It should be called the potash aquifer judging by the taste of the water.. Over time wells usually have to

[PEN-L:3474] Re: Doug's question III

1999-02-17 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Angela, You write: a brief citation from zizek (who's very casting as a postmodernist, when he is not, and when all proofs of him not being a postmodernist fail to make a dent on this particular fantasy, should at least make us pause about what is at stake in these little crusades...):

[PEN-L:3450] Trying to clarify Foucault

1999-02-17 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Angela, 'Truth is, I allow myself dips in PEN-L's healing waters only when I've knackered meself on the wheel of telecommunications policy - so I sometimes write even worse crap than is my usual standard. What I meant (as opposed to what I might have said) was that historians have more

[PEN-L:3435] Re: Re: Psychoanalysis

1999-02-17 Thread rc-am
-Original Message- From: Paul Kneisel [EMAIL PROTECTED] I consider myself a rather orthodox Freudian. And as the editor of The Internet Anti-Fascist I do not recognize either myself or my journal in Proyect's assertions. you're right, it's difficult to feel interpellated in all this.