[PEN-L:4632] SALON on Moral Blindness of Serb liberals

1999-03-28 Thread Nathan Newman
This is an interesting article by SALON, with a bit of ammunition for both sides of the bombing debate, but it does make clear that even the most liberal of Serbs have ultimately been apologists for Serbia's atrocities.-- NN Outlaw nation? Even Serbs who hate Milosevic are outraged at the NATO

[PEN-L:4631] NATO Bombing

1999-03-28 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
From: Andre Gunder Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] WAR IS PEACE, BIG BROTHER ASSURES US, WHILE NATO BOMBING IS DANGEROUSLY CRIMINAL AND CRIMINALLY DANGEROUS by Andre Gunder Frank [March 26, 1999]

[PEN-L:4630] War 'Public Relations,' or, 'Kuwaiti Babies Torn fromIncubators'

1999-03-28 Thread Louis Proyect
Yoshie wrote: The supporters of the US/NATO bombings do not question at all the media images of Serbs as mass rapists and ethnic cleansers, as those who supported the Gulf War did not question the story of a Kuwaiti woman who claimed to have witnessed Iraqui soldiers tearing Kuwaiti babies from

[PEN-L:4629] War 'Public Relations,' or, 'Kuwaiti Babies Torn fromIncubators'

1999-03-28 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The break-up of Yugoslavia and the subsequent civil war are in part the results of one of the most successful cases of propaganda in service of creating the New Enemy. Americans are not to remember that there are people in Serbia and Iraq besides Slobodan Milosevic Saddam Husein. Never mind, all

[PEN-L:4628] Shining Path of the Balkans?

1999-03-28 Thread Louis Proyect
March 28, 1999 Victims Not Quite Innocent By CHRIS HEDGES President Clinton's argument, enticing in its simplicity, packages the bombing of Yugoslavia's armed forces as a humanitarian mission: It is meant, he says, to halt a murderous campaign against innocent ethnic Albanians who make up 90

[PEN-L:4627] Re: RE: Eyewitness report from a Serbianprogressive

1999-03-28 Thread Louis Proyect
Hey Louis, if you tried I bet you could find some stuff from the Albanian/Muslim perspective on this. How about getting us some of that stuff. It would enhance your reputation for fairness and objectivity. Max The reason that these messages show up on LBO-List or the Marxism lists is that

[PEN-L:4626] 500,000 Kosovans now refugees

1999-03-28 Thread Nathan Newman
See attached article. At what level of atrocities will the NATO bombings and intervention be justified? Or do we just get to play the ex post game of blaming NATO for "forcing" Milosevic to speed up his timetable of cultural genocide and ethnic clensing? Refugees have been streaming out of

[PEN-L:4625] [Fwd: [BRC-NEWS] War Resisters International Statement on Kosovo]boundary=------------24F6BAD278CABB7EF8A43FBD

1999-03-28 Thread Gar Lipow
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --24F6BAD278CABB7EF8A43FBD Just in case anyone thinks all the peace groups support the Kosovo bombing, the BRC news list got this from the War Resistors league. I actually tried to send this before, but stupidly ended up forwarding an

[PEN-L:4624] Re: Noam Chomksy on Kosovo

1999-03-28 Thread Gar Lipow
I recieved serveral inquires asking where I got the info. From Znet of course: http://www.zmag.org/current_bombings.htm. Almost everything political Noam Chomsky does which ends up on line, ends up on the Znet site. -- Gar W. Lipow 815 Dundee RD NW Olympia, WA 98502

[PEN-L:4633] Re: SALON on Moral Blindness of Serb liberals

1999-03-28 Thread Doug Henwood
Nathan Newman wrote: This is an interesting article by SALON, with a bit of ammunition for both sides of the bombing debate, but it does make clear that even the most liberal of Serbs have ultimately been apologists for Serbia's atrocities.-- Not unlike the way liberal Americans can be

[PEN-L:4623] Re: Economic dimensions of the Yugoslavian crisis36FD6A10.9F5D089D@ecst.csuchico.edu36FD3481.F5929A2F@CNSVAX.Albany.Edu

1999-03-28 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Thank you, Louis, for an most informative post. It describes a scenario that will repeat itself in all the merging economies of the world. Henry Louis Proyect wrote: DISMANTLING FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, RECOLONISING BOSNIA By Michel Chossudovsky

[PEN-L:4622] Re: Re: IGC-PeaceNet on Kosovo Crisis

1999-03-28 Thread Nathan Newman
A number of the human rights organizations have called for Milosevic to be tried in International Human Rights Tribunals. Now, the groups don't quite advocate war (since that's not in their mission statements), calling for an elected leader of a sovereign country to be physically hauled before a

[PEN-L:4621] RE: Appeal from a Yugoslav Communist

1999-03-28 Thread Max Sawicky
Latest from the free press of Serbia, courtesy of LNS (Louis' News Service): Subject: M-NEWS: nato targeted civilians! REACT NOW!!! Dear comrads, I will try to report you about results of recent NATO artocities. 1. NATO was not able to crush Yuigoslav air defence in past days. Air

[PEN-L:4619] RE: Eyewitness report from a Serbian progressive

1999-03-28 Thread Max Sawicky
Eyewitness report from a Serbian progressive Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Agre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Red Rock Eater News Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RRE]news from Belgrade Hey Louis, if you tried I bet you could find some stuff from the Albanian/Muslim

[PEN-L:4620] RE: NATO Bombing

1999-03-28 Thread Max Sawicky
1. The NATO bombing is clearly contrary to international law, of the Constitution of NATO and of the US and Canadian constitutions. It also heralds the end of the UN as an international political agency. Do Americans care so little of the UN that they wish to see it destroyed? Are we in

[PEN-L:4618] Re: IGC-PeaceNet on Kosovo Crisis

1999-03-28 Thread walter daum
For clarification: Does this mean that Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have made statements in support of the NATO bombing? Has PeaceNet made a public statement of its "pro-war position"? Walter Daum On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:40:27 -0500 Nathan Newman said: For those who want more information on

[PEN-L:4617] Re: IGC-PeaceNet on Kosovo Crisis

1999-03-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Suppose you walk into the midst of a domestic argument. [forget about the gender differentials] The couple is wildly hitting each other. Someone else is supplying one with weapons. You walk in; judge one side to be immoral; then bomb the house. The point is that there is blood on all sides.

[PEN-L:4616] IGC-PeaceNet on Kosovo Crisis

1999-03-28 Thread Nathan Newman
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_006A_01BE7918.284F1540 For those who want more information on the horrors going on in Kosovo, I would suggest you check out IGC-Peacenet's special Kosovo page at: http://www.igc.org/igc/pn/hg/kosova.html They have links to

[PEN-L:4614] Noam Chomksy on Kosovo (FWD)

1999-03-28 Thread Gar Lipow
The Current Bombings: Behind the Rhetoric By Noam Chomsky There have been many inquiries concerning NATO (meaning primarily US) bombing in connection with Kosovo. A great deal has been

[PEN-L:4613] Re: Economic dimensions of the Yugoslavian crisis

1999-03-28 Thread Tom Walker
Chossudovsky's analysis of the role of the IMF and the US in precipitating the disintegration of Yugoslavia is instructive, but it also begs an important question. Presumably, "Belgrade's creditors" were in a position to dictate their "reforms" precisely because "Yugoslavia's economic and social

[PEN-L:4615] Slovenia /Kosovo Incomes

1999-03-28 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
Barkley, I don't know where I got the figure of 15 to 1 for the income differential after the war, but it appears you are correct and I was wrong. However, I was also wrong in that differentials did not widen later in the 80s unless in the second half of the decade as a consequence of the

[PEN-L:4612] [Fwd: [BRC-NEWS] Ethnic Studies and Radical Politics Conference]boundary=------------66F1647FD36C2704381EEBD7

1999-03-28 Thread Gar Lipow
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --66F1647FD36C2704381EEBD7 -- Gar W. Lipow 815 Dundee RD NW Olympia, WA 98502 --66F1647FD36C2704381EEBD7 Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:47:31 -0800 (PST) Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:45:32 -0800 (PST) Sun, 28 Mar 1999

[PEN-L:4611] Economic dimensions of the Yugoslavian crisis

1999-03-28 Thread Louis Proyect
DISMANTLING FORMER YUGOSLAVIA, RECOLONISING BOSNIA By Michel Chossudovsky The author is Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa. Copyright by Michel Chossudovsky, Ottawa, 1996. This text can be posted. For publication in printed form kindly request permission from the author: E-Mail: