[PEN-L:5245] Re: What's My Line

1999-04-14 Thread Rob Schaap
Did I hear General Clarke right? He says the pilot who attacked the train bridge 'intently' looked at his monitor, and noticed the train on the bridge only at the last second, when it was no longer possible to divert or abort. The bit where I spill my morning cuppa follows: the 'same thing'

[PEN-L:5261] (Fwd) IMPACTS OF NATO'S HUMANITARIAN BOMBINGS: THE BALANCE

1999-04-14 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:17:54 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:IMPACTS OF NATO'S "HUMANITARIAN" BOMBINGS: THE BALANCE SHEET OF

[PEN-L:5262] (Fwd) Report on the Emergency Vancouver Meeting on NATO Bombin

1999-04-14 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:10:54 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Report on the Emergency Vancouver Meeting on NATO Bombing, April 10,

[PEN-L:5265] Steel Biz

1999-04-14 Thread Tom Lehman
If anyone has come across anything interesting on the Blackstone Group a/k/a Blackstone Capital Partners II or a Veritas Capital and their interest in the steel industry, please, send it along to me. For professional reasons or confidentiality you are encouraged to replay off-list if necessary.

[PEN-L:5274] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Preventing Genocide v.Complaining about it Afterwards

1999-04-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Actually, most were Serbs 'ethnically cleansed by the atrocities of the Albanians', a fact conveniently ignored by our apologist for NATO bombing. Paul Phillips Makes sense. I should have thought of that. In fact, the propagandistic equation of Kosovo with ethnic Albanians, with which we've

[PEN-L:5275] City on Fire update

1999-04-14 Thread Michael Hoover
excuse more shameless self-promotion...again, feel free (be encouraged) to forward to folks who/lists that might be interested...appears publication will now be at beginning of June...Michael Hoover The publisher, VERSO, April 9, 1999 ENDORSEMENTS CITY ON FIRE: HONG KONG CINEMA,

[PEN-L:5277] Re: NGO analysis by Salvadoran and James Petras(fwd)

1999-04-14 Thread Tom Walker
Wojtek wrote: 3. Given that NGOs are an expresion of social changes brought about by capitalist development, they are the most promising platform for Left organizing. Unfortunately, that field has been hopelessly dominated by foundation liberals with Left almost totally absent. Thus, the left

[PEN-L:5280] Migration of Serbs and Montenegrins from Kosovo and Metohija

1999-04-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Does anyone have this book -- *The Migration of Serbs and Montenegrins from Kosovo and Metohija: Results of the Survey Conducted in 1985-1986* by Ruéza Petroviâc? Yoshie

[PEN-L:5282] NGOs, the World Bank, politics

1999-04-14 Thread Thomas Kruse
Here's a note I sent to Henwood a bit ago, on this issue. At the time I was a bit more agnostic on NGOs; now I'm a good bit more critical. I have been looking at micro-finance NGOs, and I can't but come to the conclusion that they foreclose on a lot of progressive potential, but turning

[PEN-L:5287] Nato drops bombs on Kosovar refugees

1999-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
April 14, 1999 NATO May Have Hit Refugees Filed at 3:04 p.m. EDT By The Associated Press BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (AP) -- As NATO warplanes hammered Serb targets in Kosovo today, Yugoslavia said one of the strikes hit a convoy of ethnic Albanian refugees, killing at least 64 and wounding 20.

[PEN-L:5289] NAFTA Used to Push Team Concept

1999-04-14 Thread Michael Eisenscher
April 14, 1999 Antiunion Group Tries to Use Nafta To Push for Teams at Nonunion Firms By GLENN BURKINS Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WASHINGTON In a move that could open up a longstanding dispute between business and labor, a leading antiunion group is using the North American

[PEN-L:5290] Re: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) NATO MISLEADING WHEN IT COMPARES SERBS TO NAZIS -

1999-04-14 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jim, It was not the German Nazis but the puppet Ustashe regime in Croatia under Ante Pavelic that attempted to carry out a genocide against the Serbs at the concentration camp of Jasenovic. That camp also saw the slaughter of Jews and gypsies. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From:

[PEN-L:5292] RE: Gravity's Rainbow

1999-04-14 Thread Tom Walker
Oedipa Maas wrote: There's nothing like the ground shaking beneath you. Nothing? Don't you mean NADA? regards, Tom Walker http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm

[PEN-L:5296] Re: CITY ON FIRE: HONG KONG CINEMA

1999-04-14 Thread Michael Hoover
Will the Asian economic crisis spell the end of Hong Kong cinema and the beginning of brain drains? Yoshie CITY ON FIRE: HONG KONG CINEMA, Lisa Odham Stokes and Michael Hoover attempted cross-over to Hollywood (initiated by Terence Chang and John Woo in 1991) preceded economic

[PEN-L:5303] Professor T Mictic on Kosovo; Covering UP NATO's Blunder

1999-04-14 Thread Michael Eisenscher
[Thanks to Professor Chandler-Burns [Mexico], one of our oldest subscribers to PNEWS (Progressive News Views). Not old in years, but a member here for almost a decade. It is always a pleasure to receive his analysis. -- TheGolem] From: "Prof. R.M. Chandler-Burns" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[PEN-L:5304] GERMANY PROPOSES PLAN FOR PEACE IN KOSOVO BASED ON USE OF U.N.FORCES

1999-04-14 Thread Michael Eisenscher
The Canadian Press Wednesday, April 14, 1999 GERMANY PROPOSES PLAN FOR PEACE IN KOSOVO BASED ON USE OF U.N. FORCES White House reiterates U.S. insistence that peacekeeping forces in Kosovo be under NATO command. BELGRADE (CP) — Yugoslavia

[PEN-L:5302] [BRC-NEWS] Sharpeville, Cizre and Pristina

1999-04-14 Thread Michael Eisenscher
THIS IS LONG BUT VERY RICH IN DETAIL, THOUGHTFUL IN ANALYSIS, AND WORTH THE EFFORT. _ CTHEORY THEORY, TECHNOLOGY AND CULTUREVOL 22, NO 1-2 Event-scene 78 99/04/12 Editors: Arthur and Marilouise

[PEN-L:5300] Re: Steel Biz

1999-04-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
A founder of the Blackstone Group is Pete Peterson, a rabid attacker of Social Security. Gene Coyle Tom Lehman wrote: If anyone has come across anything interesting on the Blackstone Group a/k/a Blackstone Capital Partners II or a Veritas Capital and their interest in the steel industry,

[PEN-L:5299] Reporter challenges propaganda consensus

1999-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
The Globe and Mail (Toronto)Wednesday, April 14, 1999 REPORTER CHALLENGES REPORTS OF MASSACRES IN PRISTINA "There is no evidence that such a thing happened in Pristina" — Paul Watson, journalist for the Los Angeles Times By Marcus Gee One of the

[PEN-L:5298] Re: NGO analysis by Salvadoran and James Petras (fwd)

1999-04-14 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
I'll try to answer numerous concerns raised in replies to the original posting in this thread. 1. Most people who responded agree that NGOs can be many diffrent things, some of them better than others. That is precisely the point I tried to get across. NGOs are not predestined to be a tool of

[PEN-L:5297] Replies to Rob Saute and Jason Shulman on room mixup

1999-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
Dear people, I have read Robert Saute's message regarding Louis Proyect's critique of the SSC and its handling of panels that its organizers admit they openly despise. There aresimply too many holes in this story. I may have been the one who stopped Robert in the hall to alert him that we were

[PEN-L:5295] Re: Re: RE: RE: Gravity's Rainbow

1999-04-14 Thread Tom Walker
Doug Henwood wrote: Max Sawicky wrote: O. Shouldn't that be 0. ? regards, Tom Walker http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm

[PEN-L:5294] Re: RE: RE: Gravity's Rainbow

1999-04-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Max Sawicky wrote: O. Have you moved from Rambouillet to Roissy? Doug

[PEN-L:5293] RE: RE: Gravity's Rainbow

1999-04-14 Thread Max Sawicky
Oedipa Maas wrote: There's nothing like the ground shaking beneath you. Nothing? Don't you mean NADA? regards, Tom Walker http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm No. O. http://www.YoYodyne.com

[PEN-L:5291] RE: Gravity's Rainbow

1999-04-14 Thread Max Sawicky
"Of all modern antiheroes, none surpasses Tyrone Slothrop, an American lieutenant stationed in London during World War II's blitz. The lieutenant possesses a bizarre gift: his erections anticipate German rocket launchings. . ." Regards, Tom Walker There's nothing like the ground shaking

[PEN-L:5288] What if the bombing stops now?

1999-04-14 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
I already sent this to lbo-talk but goofed on the address for pen-l and deleted it. So, here is a modified version. This is in extended response to Max Sawicky's query yesterday about what would happen if the bombing were to stop. First I note that no more non-Kosmet Yugoslav

[PEN-L:5286] NATO MISLEADING WHEN IT COMPARESSERBS TO NAZIS -

1999-04-14 Thread Charles Brown
Didn't the German racial hierarchy consider Slavs as inferior people (inferior to Germans) ? The holocaust against 20 million Soviets had enough of a racist motive mixed in to be genocide. Many Slavs were killed because they were Slavs, even if there were other motives as well. That's

[PEN-L:5285] Gravity's Rainbow

1999-04-14 Thread Tom Walker
"Of all modern antiheroes, none surpasses Tyrone Slothrop, an American lieutenant stationed in London during World War II's blitz. The lieutenant possesses a bizarre gift: his erections anticipate German rocket launchings. .. ." Regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:5284] News from Serbia

1999-04-14 Thread Frank Durgin
someone may have already posted this but just in case they have not the following to sites give news in English from the Serbian point of view http://www.borba.co.yu/daily.html http://www.tanjug.co.yu/

[PEN-L:5283] Re: NGO analysis by Salvadoran and James Petras (fwd)

1999-04-14 Thread S Pawlett
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: Here is what I see as an important issue, as far as Left organizing is concerned. The enclosed posting argues that the development of NGOs (in Latin America, but the argument can be extended to other regions as well) has a detrimental effect on Left organizing,

[PEN-L:5281] Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) NATO MISLEADING WHEN IT COMPARESSERBS TO NAZIS -

1999-04-14 Thread Jim Devine
They [the Nazis] also attempted to wipe out other "undesirable" ethnic groups such as gypsies and Serbs. I never heard of Nazi genocide against the Serbs. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the Nazis used brutal tactics to wipe out the Serb anti-Nazi insurgencies? Jim Devine [EMAIL

[PEN-L:5279] Reverend Al

1999-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
One of the defining characteristics of dogmatic Marxism is its refusal to see the class struggle as it is, rather than as it should be. It is always looking for the leaders of mass movements fighting against capitalist rule to come from central casting rather than real life. They search for

[PEN-L:5272] Re: NGO analysis by Salvadoran and James Petras(fwd)

1999-04-14 Thread Charles Brown
Wotjek, The following is an old post of mine that, perhaps, addresses some of your ideas about the factory regime being modified or socially fragmented by the development of capitalism in recent decades. I'm not sure whether it supports or opposes your thesis about the importance of NGO's,

[PEN-L:5271] Re: Business leaders against U.S. militarism

1999-04-14 Thread Charles Brown
"Seth Sandronsky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/14/99 11:17AM Charles, This seems to be the "we do US imperialism better" (i.e., more cost effective) view of the ruling class, no? Seth Chas.: Seth, I just came across this, so I can't "definitively" answer your

[PEN-L:5270] NGO analysis by Salvadoran and James Petras (fwd)

1999-04-14 Thread Louis Proyect
4. In that light, the Left should stop dreaming about "organizing the masses" and instead devlop "middle-range" strategies for using NGOs (also called "civil society") as an organizing platform. Any comments? Wojtek Wojtek is really arguing against socialist revolution. I can understand why

[PEN-L:5269] Re: Business leaders against U.S. militarism

1999-04-14 Thread Seth Sandronsky
From: "Charles Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:5268] Business leaders against U.S. militarism Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:04:43 -0400 "Why a Cold War Budget Without a Cold War?" Dr. Lawrence Korb, the former Assistant Secretary of

[PEN-L:5268] Business leaders against U.S. militarism

1999-04-14 Thread Charles Brown
"Why a Cold War Budget Without a Cold War?" Dr. Lawrence Korb, the former Assistant Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan, has outlined an alternative Pentagon budget that would reduce spending by more than 17% per year ($48 billion). Dr. Korb's study was sponsored by Business Leaders for

[PEN-L:5266] Business leaders against U.S. militarism

1999-04-14 Thread Charles Brown
The Cold War is Over (Isn't It?) March 10, 1999 Looking for Waste in Government? Start With the Pentagon March 10, 1999 Business group urges cut in defense spending Favors pouring more resources into education WASHINGTON (CNNfn) - If a group of U.S. businessmen has its way, the

[PEN-L:5264] Re: (Fwd) Report on the Emergency Vancouver Meeting on NATO Bombin

1999-04-14 Thread Ken Hanly
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --7F777DF09854034EB026985A When did the NDP change its position? I just heard a report on the debate in parliament that said that all the parties supported NATO. Not long ago Robinson suggested that only ground troops could stop Milosevic.

[PEN-L:5263] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Preventing Genocide v. Complaining about it Afterwards

1999-04-14 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
Actually, most were Serbs 'ethnically cleansed by the atrocities of the Albanians', a fact conveniently ignored by our apologist for NATO bombing. Paul Phillips Date sent: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:08:03 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Yoshie

[PEN-L:5260] (Fwd) FATAL FLAWS UNDERLYING NATO'S INTERVENTION IN YUGOSLAVIA

1999-04-14 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:51:10 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:FATAL FLAWS UNDERLYING NATO'S INTERVENTION IN YUGOSLAVIA - Former