Reminds me of a 1950's phenomenon: when French Communists tourists began to come
after the War to America to tour the country by car, they used to curse American
drivers who cut them off in traffic by sticking their heads out the window and yell:
"Capitalist!" The Americans of course were
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote,
Tom, shooting them execution style on bus can be boring in the long run.
We need more action.
The tubbies are a comatose breed. It's going to be hard to get much action
out of them. Maybe we could put them on little go-carts so they could zip
down the sidewalk. Then we
Bill Rosenberg wrote:
"Henry C.K. Liu" wrote:
False expectations.
A. What are their expectations?
China sees (unrealistically, I may add) WTO members as a way to get more
global capital for foreign direct investment, more guaranteed access to
froeign markets, healthy pressure on weak
Max, your tortured conflation of the leading and lower organs
of the party sits well with your pathetic boasting about your
bucks salary.
Menshevik insect!
Terry McDonough
Comrade McD,
It is precisely the conflation of the leading and
lower organs for which the revolutionary vanguard
must
It is my understanding that the main reason the Chinese leadership wants
to join the WTO is to end their yearly struggle with the US over MFN
status. All members of the WTO automatically get MFN status. Plus there
is a dispute resolution mechanism that they hope will reduce direct US
Pete, you should have given him hell and asked for an explanation, if you
thought the kids weren't just hanging around or engaging in some version of
junior high wood shop.
I pretty familiar with the Amish and Mennonite ways in Ohio, Pennsylvania
and Maryland. Here in Ohio, starting not far
To begin with, be conscious of the danger of system co-optation.
Secondly, be on guard about sophisticated rationalization; make a point of
regularly revisiting fundamentals.
Thirdly, have unshakable respect for the common man and his poorly articulated
views. Understand that one's own
Hiro leaps to avoid the rocket-powered missiles, then pivots and fires.
Green laser beams ricochet off the fortress walls, exploding like fireworks.
Superfly's fragged! Body parts drop from the sky like bloody rain, gibs
splattering the walls and if you don't know that's short for "giblets",
St Petersburg Times
#471, Friday, June 4, 1999
TOP STORY
Russian Envoy Branded 'Traitor'
By Andrei Zolotov Jr.
STAFF WRITER
At 10:51 PM 6/3/99 -0400, Henry Liu wrote:
Russia test-fires ballistic missile
Thursday, 3 June 1999 19:10 (GMT)
(UPI Focus)
Russia test-fires ballistic missile
MOSCOW, June 3 (UPI) - Russia has test-fired a Topol-M
intercontinental ballistic missile from the Plisetsk missile range in
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:21:27 + (GMT)
From: Terrence Mc Donough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:7682] Re: Leninism
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Organization: National University of Ireland, Galway
Priority: normal
Hong Kong Standard Friday June 4 1999
Restrictions on yuan exchange spark jitters
STORY: BEIJING is restricting the conversion of foreign
currencies into yuan, a move that briefly sparked jitters
across
the region yesterday that the yuan might be devalued.
Maybe a naive question but...
Can someone explain to me why countries like China and Vietnam want
to be in organisations like the WTO and APEC?
Bill Rosenberg
G'day Henry and Michael,
Henry has some things to say about China and the WTO. I put a case here
some time back (I'd pinched it from an article) that a salient cause of the
East Asian crisis was a ten-year process whereby capitalism had to swallow
the introduction of millions of poor workers
G'day Michael,
On an unrelated point, I see where Clinton is expecting Europe to pay
for his Balkan fiasco. Have the Europeans commneted on his
expectations?
I'm also concerned about Clinton's stance that bombing will continue until
the Yugoslav forces in Kosovo have withdrawn. When the
False expectations.
Bill Rosenberg wrote:
Maybe a naive question but...
Can someone explain to me why countries like China and Vietnam want
to be in organisations like the WTO and APEC?
Bill Rosenberg
Yoshie wrote:
Nobody is stopping Harald (or you for that matter) from organizing anti-war
activists according to the principles that he thinks (or you think) are
correct. It's not as though he and Chossudovsky belonged to the same
political party and the party adopted Chossudovsky's view.
I
On point (1) - we're a long way from the Hilferdingesque world that Lenin
wrote and thought about. Competition has intensified, finance and industry
haven't joined into a single unit (bank-supervised cartels), etc. So while
1917 was different from 1817, 1999 is pretty different from 1917,
At 09:43 PM 6/3/99 -0400, Henry Liu wrote:
Between friends, the problem with us intellectuals is that when we see a
sausage, we think of Picasso, instead of starving people. We keep deluding
ourselves, with help from the oppressive culture, that if we associate with
the more educated, we can
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/03/99 06:36PM
Charles writes: I disagree with getting rid of the word "fascism" itself,
too, because there is still a danger that at some point the financial
oligarchy will become desparate and try to institute wholesale, open
terrorist rule again. This is one
...for some petit-bourgeois scribbler/parlor dilettante who has
obviously never seen or experienced the horrors of fascism, racism or the
horrors the Chinese people faced/face to utter Mao's name to be compared
with Hitler is disgusting, a/anti-historical and typical of the
ultra-rightist filth
of interest, from the L.A. TIMES, at
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/NATION/UPDATES/lat_labor990604.htm
Friday, June 4, 1999
Chinese Rulers Fear Angry Workers May Finally Unite
Labor: Ten years after Tiananmen Square crackdown, unemployment, not
lack of democracy, fuels discontent.
By
Foreign Policy In Focus
Vol. 4, No. 17, June 1999
Capital Flows and Exchange Rate Policy
By Ellen Frank, Emmanuel College
Edited by Tom Barry (IPS), and Martha Honey (IPS)
Key Points
o Countries are under increasing pressure to attract international
financial capital to meet trade
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I don't think that there are any "petit-bourgeois scribbler/parlor
dilettante(s)" on pne-l (unless you mean me, since I am not sure about
myself).
Such language does nothing to further any discussion. All it did was to
reignite a flame.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State
Hi Pen-l Friends,
Could some kind soul please send me off-list the report by the Germans that
found little to no evidence of Serbian ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.
Thanks in advance.
Seth Sandronsky
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At 06:00 AM 6/4/99 -0700, Tom Walker wrote:
shouldn't be hanging around Kyoto 2455 AD in the first place.
I have an idea for a first-person shooter game called American Meat-Pie. In
it the player takes the role of a "foreign terrorist" who seizes a busload
of hideously obese American tourists
Zhu: Time Not Ripe For Resumption Of Sino-US Talks On WTO
HONG KONG, Jun 4, 1999 -- (Agence France
Presse) Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji said Friday
that the time was not ripe for a resumption of
Sino-US talks
At 11:14 PM 6/3/99 -0400, you wrote:
Peter Dorman wrote:
I swear I didn't know it at the time. I heard that an Amish guy in
central NY State made fantastic rockers for a low price (a little over
$100). So I ordered a chair to be picked up in several months, my head
filled with thoughts
The Amish are protected by religious freedom doctrine. If you mess with
their child labor practices via federal civil rights or labor laws, NATO may
bomb New York for ethnic cleansing, and you and I would become refugees,
that is if we are not caught on the Geaorge Washington Bridge, a perfect
Jim Devine wrote:
The problem with "financial oligarchy" is not that it's hackneyed as much as it
suggests a conspiracy. It ignores a central problem of the rule of finance
capital these days, i.e., competition and "invisible hand" automatic
operations. There doesn't have to be a
I don't remember precisely, might have been Tobin, who led an economic theory that
income is everything, albeit they meant aggregate income and not wage rates per se.
But it seems to me, if we have to have a WTO, the least we can do is to insist on a
global wage scale for same work same pay,
If I'm not mistaken, the current agreement to end hostilities in
Yugoslavia (still not ended) does not include a stipulation that Kosovo
have a free market economy. Was this just boilerplate in Rambouillet or
is an actual concession of some sort involved?
Peter
Capitalism's concentration camps are the Levitt Towns and similar suburbs
and the
"job" in the corporate system. The plants of GM are frightenly similar to the
network of concentration camps, albeit more outwardly humane, but not less
violent. Harlem is an occupied zone.
Except for the part
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Tom Walker wrote:
The Guardian, London Tuesday June 1, 1999
The penthouse office of Romero's Ion Storm is an astonishing place, like
something out of a Jetsons cartoon with walkways suspended above a maze of
stainless steel
So are you saying that Lenin meant that they became identical ? As I understand it, we
are discussing Lenin's claim that one of the defining characteristics of the
imperialist phase of capitalism , in contrast with the immediate previous phase, is
the dominance of finance capital, including
I do not like throwing people off the list. As I said before, I have only done
it a few times in the long life of pen-l. I especially would not relish
throwing someone like Jim Craven off.
I do not share Brad's beliefs. Nor do many people on the list. Again, it is
not hard to taunt Brad. He
Doug Henwood and I received this note. I thought that some of you might be
better able to answer him that I am.
You might do best to answer him directly.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr Henwood, Mr Perelman,
I am an independant communist and a member of the Black Radical Congress as
well as,
The entire UC system has been afflicted with a thirst for power for decades.
Nobody teaches except TAs. All facullty member want to go the Washington, but
only after securing tenure. I was chairman of a department aat UCLA from 1964
to 1970 and noticed that most dead woods would start their
Charles Brown wrote:
Charles: Seems to me there has been a merger of financial and industrial
capital. Wallstreet seems exactly that. Doug Henwood points out that there
is a recent trend of corporations raising money through borrowing not so
much stocks. That is they borrow from financial
Due to unexpected retirements and illnesses, we are going to be down
three people for the up coming academic year. We will be hiring
one or two full-time temporary faculty. The positions might become
tenure-track later, but we don't know sure right now.
The ad my chair submitted to the JOE is
Terrence Mc Donough [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/04/99 09:21AM
On point (1) - we're a long way from the Hilferdingesque world that Lenin
wrote and thought about. Competition has intensified, finance and industry
haven't joined into a single unit (bank-supervised cartels), etc. So while
1917 was
Yoshie writes: with the Yugo acceptance of the NATO terms of peace, the
terrains of struggle, real and ideological, have already changed.
Assuming that this peace deal does work out, I am a bit surprised that
Milosevic caved. Maybe the air war was much more effective at weakening the
Serbian
Craven, Jim wrote:
Berkely has sunk so low
A few months ago I met with a German journalist who was visiting the U.S.
to research a millennium story. The conversation turned, as it often does,
to the embarrassment that is American political discourse. He said he gave
a talk to the Berkeley poli
Headlines found, in this order, with no deletions:
13:12 BROWN DONATION TO BUY 1,000 GUN LOCKS TO GIVEAWAY TO GUN OWNERS - AP.
13:11 SINGER JAMES BROWN DONATES $4,000 TO HOMETOWN AUGUSTA, GEORGIA-AP.
13:09 SURGERY ON JUNE 7 AT WWW.CELEBRITYDOCTOR.COM.
13:08 [DIS] BANC AMERICA: RUMORS ABOUT
Yoshie wrote:
Nobody is stopping Harald (or you for that matter) from organizing anti-war
activists according to the principles that he thinks (or you think) are
correct. It's not as though he and Chossudovsky belonged to the same
political party and the party adopted Chossudovsky's view.
I
I just react to see someone pass off as a serious academic (never mined
progressive or otherwise) come out with such pedestrian and sophomoric and
rabid stuff like Mao a "murderer" of 30 million. A single cause from a
single person? History? Context? Imperialist encirclement? Social systems
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/04/99 12:12PM
Charles writes: I don't agree that "fascism" has lost value from overuse.
I would say it is underused and misapplied.
I guess we have to agree to disagree on that, but I'll summarize my
position: using the word "fascism" too much can be like
You are absolutely right. China has insufficient capital and techinology to be
beneficially competitive in the global market devoid of nationalistic protectionism.
The
only card China has is its enormous market potential. Joining WTO requires China to
give
that away free. But then I am not
Tom Walker wrote:
To make the game more interesting, each of the tubbies wears a celebrity face
that the player can select from a database of news anchors, government
officials, billionaires, corporate CEOs
and hedge-fund operators.
Here is a good place to round them up:
Hedge
Fairness Accuracy in Reporting
Media analysis, critiques and news reports
Media Advisory:
WHAT REPORTERS KNEW ABOUT KOSOVO TALKS -- BUT DIDN'T TELL
Was Rambouillet Another Tonkin Gulf?
June 2, 1999
New evidence has emerged confirming that the U.S. deliberately set out
to thwart the
Jim, this is interesting stuff. Henry sent me a couple of things about labor
unrest and organizing in China some months ago.
When Chinese workers say, they are not going to work for 46 cents an hour in
northern China or 23 cents an hour in southern China. Yes, in China people are
being thrown
It applies to whoever voluntarily feels the heat.
At least there seems to be general agreement that "petit-bourgeois
scribbler/parlor dilettante(s)" is not a flattering term. That is progress.
I understand Michael's need and obligation, as moderator, to keep diversity
alive on the list. So we
I appoligize to the other petit-bourgeois scribbler/parlor dilettantes
on the list.
On a more serious note, if you think that you have relevant information,
try to resist calling your intended recipient an idiot or something
worse, and if you do, expect a less than enthusiastic response to your
Michael Perelman wrote
I don't think that there are any "petit-bourgeois scribbler/parlor
dilettante(s)" on pne-l . . .
What am I? Chopped liver? The problem with the subscribers on this list is
they don't know a compliment when they see one.
I wrote,
. . .Weiner schnitzel! Hah-ha! Take that, dude!
I meant to say "wiener" schnitzel. I hope my typo didn't offend any weiners.
DeLong find the follwing offensive: I take it that I am the "petit-bourgeois
scribbler/parlor dilettante" referred to here.
Yet he characterizes the follwing as benign: The fact remains that Mao Zedong
was (along with Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler) the head of one of the very,
very few
What I don't understand is why China seems so intent on getting in
to the WTO which will limit its ability to use policy measures to
develop its own economy.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
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