[PEN-L:10128] BLS Daily Report

1999-08-17 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, AUGUST 16, 1999 __Prices paid by producers of finished goods advanced a seasonally-adjusted 0.2 percent in July, led by the first rise in energy prices in 3 months. The advance followed a decline of 0.1 percent in June and a 0.2 percent rise in May. The index rose less

[PEN-L:10130] Arts Letters Daily

1999-08-17 Thread Louis Proyect
This is a webpage with links to articles on the Internet put together by Denis Dutton, who launched the Bad Writing Contest. It is updated daily and is quite lively. Louis Proyect (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)

[PEN-L:10132] Re: Re: Re: Race,Sacrifice,and Dignigy(wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

1999-08-17 Thread Charles Brown
Wojtek Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/99 05:34PM At 04:21 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Chareles wrote: Charles: Why is it do you think that the way you tell it "consciousness" is not corresponding to "structure" ? Are you saying this "perfect soical control" is exercised through "structure" and

[PEN-L:10134] Why Russia Risks all in Dagestan

1999-08-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Final 2 paragraphs of NYT op-ed piece by Robert Kaplan: Despite the region's instability and the Caspian's oil riches, the Caucasus does not get sufficient attention from the West. In the early and mid-1990's, the West focused on the plight of Bosnian Muslims, and paid little attention to the

[PEN-L:10143] (Fwd) NATO's own experts: Bombing was a failure

1999-08-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:57:21 -0700 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: CyberBrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:PROGRESSIVE SOCIOLOGISTS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NATO's own experts: Bombing was a failure X-To:

[PEN-L:10145] A New Iron Curtain

1999-08-17 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center
New at Foreign Policy in Focus Containment Lite: U.S. Policy Toward Russia and Its Neighbors by John Feffer If the U.S. government had wanted to destroy Russia from the inside out, it couldn't have devised a more effective policy than its so-called "strategic partnership." From aggressive

[PEN-L:10147] Re: Re: Re: Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The main point is that both excessive 'socialization' and excessive 'privatization' of reproductive health can be detrimental to women. wojtek From the themes and arguments of my numerous posts on the subject, it must be obvious that I am not advocating the 'privatization' of the kind you are

[PEN-L:10149] Research on Neo-conservative Mayors

1999-08-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
I saw the following inquiry on MLG. I figure that listers here must have lots of expertise to help her. Yoshie * I am currently working on a project that examines how Giuliani has used Quality of Life Initiatives to discriminate on the basis of class and race. For example, I am now

[PEN-L:10158] Re: Michael Perleman please.Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx, andRhetoric

1999-08-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo seemed to be making a clumsy attempt at humor. In the past, he has shown himself to be insensitive, but not vicious. Let's see if he continues. Is that ok? Otherwise, I will warn him. Stephen E Philion wrote: Michael Perleman, I'm not sure what has induced this occasion for

[PEN-L:10160] Re: Re: Is a Fetus an Appendix?

1999-08-17 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Rod H: In my experience, every woman I have known who had an abortion went through a big moral struggle. That is not the point. The point is that it is her moral decision not any one else's. It is her choice. A fetus is not an appendix and no woman treats an abortion like she would an

[PEN-L:10162] Expanding participation

1999-08-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Here is a list of the people who have been posting. Note how few of us are chirping in. last 50 PEN-L messaglast 100 PEN-L messa last 200 PEN-L messag 6 [EMAIL PROTECTED]14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6 [EMAIL PROTECTED]8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17 [EMAIL

[PEN-L:10161] Aborting abortion on pen-l and the end of the asian crisis

1999-08-17 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that the debate on abortion was held at a very high level -- illustrating the best in our list. Like all list debates, this one seems to be degenerating. I think that Carrol Cox pointed to the key issue is deciding where to communicate and where to isolate. I would like to see a new

[PEN-L:10159] Re: Re: Michael Perleman please.Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx, andRhetoric

1999-08-17 Thread Michael Perelman
My apologies. I carelessly thought that I was responding off list. Michael Perelman wrote: Ricardo seemed to be making a clumsy attempt at humor. In the past, he has shown himself to be insensitive, but not vicious. Let's see if he continues. Is that ok? Otherwise, I will warn him.

[PEN-L:10157] Re: Is a Fetus an Appendix?

1999-08-17 Thread Rod Hay
In my experience, every woman I have known who had an abortion went through a big moral struggle. That is not the point. The point is that it is her moral decision not any one else's. It is her choice. A fetus is not an appendix and no woman treats an abortion like she would an appendectomy.

[PEN-L:10156] The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 17 Aug 1999 -- 3:65 (#318)

1999-08-17 Thread Paul Kneisel
__ The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 17 August 1999 Vol. 3, Numbers 65 (#318) _ AN ISSUE OF CONFERENCE AND RALLY

[PEN-L:10155] Is a Fetus an Appendix?

1999-08-17 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Out of curiosity, I wonder how this blob of ectoplasm known as a fetus is regarded. What do people think it is exactly, or philosophically? Is it like an appendix, a second-class Siamese twin, or what? cheers, mbs a symbiotic-ecosystem on a slippery slope towards a possibility for

[PEN-L:10152] Re: Abortion-rights Strategic principles was Re:Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Carrol wrote: So our task -- as in almost all the key issues for the left -- is simply (!) to find ways to shift the locus of struggle. That is a subject of two or three years (or decades) of discussion. And then Ellen wrote: I think this is absolutely correct. I would add one thing. It would

[PEN-L:10151] Is a Fetus an Appendix?

1999-08-17 Thread Max Sawicky
CC So our task -- as in almost all the key issues for the left -- is simply (!) to find ways to shift the locus of struggle. That is a subject of two or three years (or decades) of discussion. mbs: This last is the most self-refuting statement in the entire debate. But who cares about

[PEN-L:10150] (no subject)

1999-08-17 Thread Rod Hay
Michael Perelman has asked me to introduce my web site and post new additions. About five years ago I while teaching the history of economic thought at McMaster, posted a number of readings for my students. With the encouragement of Michael and Tony Brewer, I made the text available to everyone.

[PEN-L:10148] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Race,Sacrifice,andDignigy(wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

1999-08-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: I use the terms "consciousness" and "structure" in a somewhat technical sense - as they are used in social movement mobilization theory. . . . snip Later on, the theory got a bit more sophisticated and said that consciousness changes as a result of movement

[PEN-L:10144] Re: Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Well, Stefy, considering your location, I would guess that dancing in the beach is your real profession. Richard, I didn't think you were from Latin America, though I'm not sure that there is anything I wrote that would indicate this to you. I now do wish to make a geograpical guess. You

[PEN-L:10142] Warnings of Vietnamization of Colombian civil war

1999-08-17 Thread Seth Sandronsky
(Pen-l, Does anybody have current info about the rate of profit on US, German and Japanese investment in Colombia? Seth Sandronsky) US continues buildup Warnings of "Vietnamization" of Colombian civil war By Bill Vann 17 August 1999 Use this version to print Warnings that the United States

[PEN-L:10141] Re: Abortion-rights Strategic principles was Re: Abortion: another

1999-08-17 Thread Ellen Frank
Carrol writes: I suggest that as a general strategic principle our goal should be not to persuade more people that abortion is legitimate but to generate an atmosphere in which abortion is simply taken for granted. We need to isolate rather than convert right-to-lifers. I think this is

[PEN-L:10140] Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-17 Thread Stephen E Philion
Richard, I didn't think you were from Latin America, though I'm not sure that there is anything I wrote that would indicate this to you. I now do wish to make a geograpical guess. You are from Buffalo...Teresa Ebert is your mentor...? Steve On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Ricardo Duchesne wrote:

[PEN-L:10139] Abortion-rights Strategic principles was Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Michael Keaney wrote: snip The USA has gone in a direction of punishing with imprisonement what you call "'irresponsible' behaviors of pregnant mothers,'" and this policy trend is likely to continue. As applied to the "left" broadly defined, it is clear that

[PEN-L:10138] Re: Re: Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-17 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 01:04 PM 8/17/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: Michael Keaney wrote: Does the wider community have a legitimate interest in the fate of the unborn child? Is it an adequate defence of a woman's ability to choose freely to insist upon a conception of her body as private property with which she may do as

[PEN-L:10137] Re: Re: Re: Re: Race,Sacrifice,and Dignigy(wasRe:Abortionand other wedge issues)

1999-08-17 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 11:38 AM 8/17/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: Charles: OK. However, the residential pattern was very unequal and segregated by class and race in 1949. I am not sure that that "structure" has worsened in the last 50 years, and it has not improved as much as "advertised" by the "home of the

[PEN-L:10136] Re: Re: Re: Arts Letters Daily

1999-08-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
It is lively, but there's a preponderance of links to The New Republic, the Weekly Standard, and even LM Online. Suggests that there's a real conservative tilt to the whole Bad Writing project. Doug Maybe you or Bad Subjects girls boys can launch a Bad Writing Contest of your own, documenting

[PEN-L:10135] Re: Re: Abortion: another angle (2)

1999-08-17 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Keaney wrote: Does the wider community have a legitimate interest in the fate of the unborn child? Is it an adequate defence of a woman's ability to choose freely to insist upon a conception of her body as private property with which she may do as she pleases? If so, how do we deal with

[PEN-L:10133] Re: Re: Arts Letters Daily

1999-08-17 Thread Doug Henwood
It is lively, but there's a preponderance of links to The New Republic, the Weekly Standard, and even LM Online. Suggests that there's a real conservative tilt to the whole Bad Writing project. Doug Louis Proyect wrote: Whoops. Left out the URL: http://www.cybereditions.com/aldaily/

[PEN-L:10131] Re: Arts Letters Daily

1999-08-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Whoops. Left out the URL: http://www.cybereditions.com/aldaily/ At 10:44 AM 8/17/99 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: This is a webpage with links to articles on the Internet put together by Denis Dutton, who launched the Bad Writing Contest. It is updated daily and is quite lively. Louis Proyect

[PEN-L:10129] Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-17 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Stephen E Philion wrote: Richard, Is it possible that you might demonstrate to us how the segment that you quote below is 'rhetorical'? You might not agree with what is asserted below, but how is it 'heavily rhetorical'? Steve Who is Richard, by the way? Cheers, ajit sinha

[PEN-L:10125] Re: Re: Re: Marx, and Rhetoric

1999-08-17 Thread Ajit Sinha
Stephen E Philion wrote: Richard, Is it possible that you might demonstrate to us how the segment that you quote below is 'rhetorical'? You might not agree with what is asserted below, but how is it 'heavily rhetorical'? Steve Who is Richard, by the way? Cheers, ajit sinha

[PEN-L:10088] Re: RE: RE: Fwd: Re: RE: Value Theory andAbortion:[WasFree Speech and Opport

1999-08-17 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Chas'n'Max, You write: So Lauren Bacall , the Sweetheart, was as tough as Boggie ? I don't think so. Way tougher, Chas! As with Kate and Spencer. Actually, women had some serious character and plot grunt there for a while in the forties - what with war somewhat mucking up political