For personal reasons I could not respond to this interesting passage at the
time. Nor can I do justice to the enormous subject of the law of value
under socialism, without much more preparation.
But in connection with the great disparities in the level of the productive
forces on a world
NY Times, Aug. 26, 2002
As Multinationals Run the Taps, Anger Rises Over Water for Profit
By JOHN TAGLIABUE
SAN ISIDRO DE LULES, Argentina When Jorge Abdala's water bill jumped to 59
pesos a month from 24 a few years ago, he went looking for someone to
blame. He soon found his villain: a
In a message dated 8/25/02 4:58:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Infinite War and its Roots
by Stan Goff
But we must take into account the social relations of energy, and
value-theory. It is not the finite physical limit of oil that matters right
now. It matters what
Shortage of oil? Not in this world. The shortage is in our vision and
imagination.
Melvin P.
Even under socialism, there would be dwindling supplies of oil just as
there are dwindling supplies of water. Unless Melvin's vision and
imagination includes serious and *measurable* proposals for
Title: utopianism??
[was: RE: [PEN-L:29857] Re: Re: Re: Russia turns to yuan]
Shortage of oil? Not in this world. The shortage is in our vision and
imagination.
Melvin P.
Louis P:
Even under socialism, there would be dwindling supplies of oil just as
there are dwindling supplies of
Published on Monday, August 26, 2002 by the Guardian of London
Ecological Decline 'Far Worse' Than Official Estimates
Leaked paper - OECD's grim warning on climate change
by John Vidal in Johannesburg
The real level of world inequality and environmental degradation may be far worse than
Jim Devine:
when you advocate measureable proposals, are you saying that we need to
develop recipes for the cook-shops of the future? I thought you were
against utopianism.
Utopianism means blueprints for how society should be run. Stating that
there are 2 billion souls on earth and given 2
Title: the legal war?
From today's SLATE: The [US-based] Washington Post leads with a
piece saying that Bush administration lawyers have concluded
that the president can legally attack Saddam without prior approval
from Congress. The lawyers argue, among other points, that Bush
already has
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29861] Re: utopianism??
It's a nice academic distinction, but it doesn't work in practice. How one sets up a social organization of production affects how and what is produced. The relations and forces of production are unified, interpenetrate, and determine each others'
Jim Devine:
It's a nice academic distinction, but it doesn't work in practice. How one
sets up a social organization of production affects how and what is
produced. The relations and forces of production are unified,
interpenetrate, and determine each others' character. So we can't separate
Would it be fair to say that Lou is saying that we have to take account of
technical recipes, but not social recipes? Providing food requires
certain minimum amount of water, but not necessarily a specific social
form in which society converts water into food.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
Title: participatory democracy
Awhile back, pen-l had a discussion of so-called participatory democracy. FWIW, I found a discussion of this concept in THE NATION [August 5/12, 2002], by Tom Hayden Dick Flacks, two authors of the Port Huron Statement of the Students for a Democratic Society
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29864] Re: RE: Re: utopianism??
You don't have to reply. But are you endorsing socialism from above, in which a small minority imposes its predetermined schemes on the majority of the population?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Devine wrote:
You don't have to reply. But are you endorsing socialism from above, in
which a small minority imposes its predetermined schemes on the majority
of the population?
I advocate the most ruthlessly dictatorial rule from above and over the
working class to make sure that they
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29868] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: utopianism??
Louis Proyect of www.marxmail.org writes:
I advocate the most ruthlessly dictatorial rule from above
and over the working class to make sure that they follow the dictates of
the central presidium. Any workers found reading Hal
. . . but it will take five years to get there.
(p. 15, Mid-Session Review, OMB)
mbs
Jim's reference to Kaufman and the SDS suggests why this debate will be
much like our earlier experiences with market socialism. Kaufman's idea
is fine in principle. How the hell you actually do it is terribly
difficult. Are we to work out a Devine/Proyect rules of order to make
sure that
Title: Oz anti-adultery association
[I thought politics was strange in the US... Also, it seems that the article uses the word vigilante differently thatn in the US.]
Cuckolds take their rage to the streets
Australian vigilantes picket homes and call for death to adulterers
David Fickling
Are they just trying to lower expectations in anticipation of poor
economic performance?
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 12:22:35PM -0400, Max B. Sawicky wrote:
. . . but it will take five years to get there.
(p. 15, Mid-Session Review, OMB)
mbs
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
They forecast real GDP growth of 3.7 for CY2002 and '03,
which looks to be on the rosy side.
mbs
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any workers found reading Hal Draper will be buried up to their necks and a
workers militia under the leadership of a tested commissar will drive over
their heads with power lawnmowers.
But what kind of lawnmowers, reel or rotary? Reels provide a better
Philip Dick's Minority Report (recently made into movie with many changes)
was based on something similar to the following:
Controversial Police Database Lists 'Future Criminals'
Names, Addresses Of Potential Suspects Listed
Posted: 12:02 p.m. EDT August 26, 2002
WILMINGTON, Del. -- Defense
Anybody have handy the famous Keynes quote about
dead economists?
Ellen
For personal reasons I could not respond to this interesting passage at
the time. Nor can I do justice to the enormous subject of the law of value
under socialism, without much more preparation.
But in connection with the great disparities in the level of the
productive forces on a world
No comrade, this is obscurantist thinking designed to distract us from
stalinist mis-leadership of Proyect. Notice that he has told us to use power
mowers, contributing to capitalist and state-socialist abuse of the natural
environment. No mention of the merits of electric vs gasoline powered
Ellen, here you go:
The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are
right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly
understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who
believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual
Thanks Gil!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ellen, here you go:
The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are
right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly
understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men,
who
believe themselves to
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29873] Re: Bushies say NAIRU is 4.9
according to one estimate appearing in THE ROARING NINETIES, edited by Alan Kreuger and Robert Solow, the US NAIRU is about 5.1 % of the civilian labor force. Of course, the concept is very, very weak. The standard error of estimate is
Friends,
Do you mind telling us what the heck this NAIRU is? Or should we
ask Ravi to help us break this code too?
Sabri
Top World News
08/26 15:12
U.S. Action Against Iraq Is 'Imperative,' Cheney Says (Update3)
By Ryan J. Donmoyer
Nashville, Tennessee, Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Vice President Dick
Cheney rejected criticism of possible military action against
Iraq, saying the Middle East nation probably possesses
Friends,
Do you mind telling us what the heck this NAIRU is? Or should we
ask Ravi to help us break this code too?
Sabri
Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment.
Carl
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:29884] Re: Bushies say NAIRU is 4.9
Friends,
Do you mind telling us what the heck this NAIRU is? Or should we
ask Ravi to help us break this code too?
Sabri
the NAIRU is a hypothetical rate of unemployment. If the actual rate of unemployment goes below it, the
ROBERT X. CRINGELY(R): Notes from the Field InfoWorld.com
Monday, August 26, 2002
Speaking of wanting it all, a spy reports that the
individual entrusted with handling the estate
I'll admit as much as more coherent or more systematic but more
scientific? That's like saying one astrologer is more scientific than
another.
Jim Devine wrote,
The NAIRU is a more-scientific way to describe what Milton Friedman calls
the natural rate of unemployment. His idea is that the
Arguing about whether the right number is 8.5% or 4.9% or 0.5% is a trap. The
figure for the NAIRU should not be a discussion we enter into.
Gene Coyle
Tom Walker wrote:
I'll admit as much as more coherent or more systematic but more
scientific? That's like saying one astrologer is more
NY Times, Aug. 26, 2002
Iraq Said to Plan Tangling the U.S. in Street Fighting
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
WASHINGTON, Aug. 25 President Saddam Hussein of Iraq will try to
compensate for his armed forces' glaring weaknesses by raising the specter
of urban warfare if the Bush administration moves
I found this article interesting because it suggests the way that
these pictures seem to represent a clear vision of capitalist
production where, as Marx said, the worker [is reduced to]
nothing more than personified labour-time [and where all]
individual distinctions are obliterated (Marx 1977,
At 03:44 PM 8/26/2002 -0400, Gil Skillman wrote:
The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are
right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly
understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who
believe themselves to be quite
What do we really want?
Economic growth is seen as good, yet it makes many in the rich world miserable
George Monbiot
Tuesday August 27, 2002
The Guardian
There is scarcely a discussion of climate change on the radio or television that does
not
involve a climate sceptic - someone who believes
Ben was on target. Keynes was an elitist snob, surely expecting that he
and people like him control the world. It is more likely that the
economists merely say what is useful to those in power -- at last those
economists who get listened to more widely.
Stiglitz is saying some good stuff now.
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