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I am a on a chemists' list. That coversation is conducted
briskly and brings in new participants and cross pollination
from around the world daily. I also have to look in, from time
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Barkley, are you going to use labor markets? If so, you will get highly
unequal labor incomes that are also quite inequitable. Michael Jordan will
get $20 million per year and a nursery school teacher will get $20 thousand.
If you don't permit labor markets to determine labor income, they you
On Sat, February 15, 1997 at 11:29:17 (PST) Robin Hahnel writes:
[...]
But in a much more important sense markets mis-price goods because of
extensive external effects, and provide incentives for profit maximizers
to externalize costs as much as it provides them incentives to improve
product
On Sat, February 15, 1997 at 13:44:41 (PST) Max B. Sawicky writes:
[...]
A different question is how much equality is
desired by the public. If we all began the
quest for income from the same starting
point, and the determining factors were
luck, innate abilities, and industriousness, I
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Robin Hahnel wrote:
I have been too busy to respond to recent postings on market "socialism"
but would like to say that one reason I reject market socialism as my
vision of a desirable economy is that it does NOT help us develop our
capacities for solidarity and
Max B. Sawicky wrote:
... If we all began the
quest for income from the same starting
point, and the determining factors were
luck, innate abilities, and industriousness, I
wonder how many would favor altering the results
of such a process, beyond the mundane ones
of moderating the extremes
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Subject: [PEN-L:8630] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut
On Sat, February 15, 1997 at 13:44:41 (PST) Max B. Sawicky writes:
[...]
A different question is how much equality is
desired by the public. If we all began the
I myself would not support labor markets in the sense taht anyone would be
an employee. But I would not support authoritative allocation of labor,
either--I thought you wouldn't either. As to remuneration, I would allow
cooperatives to divide up their income as profit shares as they see fit.
For one quick referrence on externalities see E.K. Hunt and R.C. D'Arge,
"On Lemmings and other Acquisitive Animals: Propositions on Consumption,"
Journal of Economic Issues, June 1973.
For one quick illustration: One recent study of 500 consumer goods
concluded that market prices diverged from
Is it responsible to suggest that progressive income taxes WOULD
actually make labor market outcomes reasonably equitable in a market
socialist economy?
In labor markets people have to justify what they're paid on the basis
of the value of their contribution. After doing that why will most
At the simplest level, Joan A. Hac asked for a return to decency.
Many hands make light work. If you are available, please participate.
To be able to add value, the list could do with protection from Hidden
Persuaders (as in Vance Packard's book). Isn't it self-evident that in
the long run all
Wendell W. Solomons wrote:
PEN bears the designation "progressive" and people with time on
their hands for other business should be encouraged to re-invest
man-hours at any of the other sites of their choice. The Web has
a well-financed Aryan site with Klansmen links. The Apostles of
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