[PEN-L:8660] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Funny that Doug and Harry both remarked on the strangeness of capitalism. I am discussing that subject just now in my latest project. I am off to the library to look at Polanyi's "Aristotle disovers the economy" again. If buying and selling is so natural, why are drugs, prostitution and child

[PEN-L:8661] progressive taxation

1997-02-17 Thread JDevine
Peter Burns writes: The willingness of the population to accept highly progressive taxation is tied to the range and quality of public services which they receive in return. There's a lot of truth to that, especially in Western Europe back when social democracy ruled. But here in the US,

[PEN-L:8666] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Bill Burgess
In a recent post Doug Henwood mentioned the likes of "swaptions", "Butterflies" and a couple of other rare money species. Could you explain what these are? Bill Burgess Vancouver

[PEN-L:8667] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-17 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Robin, 'Fraid so. Actually in the old USSR they had labor markets. If someone wanted to quit a job and work somewhere else, they could, subject to restrictions on migration (the "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" syndrome). Only if people are assigned a job and can't quit, a la the

[PEN-L:8671] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Doug Henwood
At 11:27 AM -0800 2/17/97, Bill Burgess wrote: In a recent post Doug Henwood mentioned the likes of "swaptions", "Butterflies" and a couple of other rare money species. Could you explain what these are? Swaptions are options on swaps. A butterfly spread involves simultaneous purchase and sale

[PEN-L:8672] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman wrote, Funny that Doug and Harry both remarked on the strangeness of capitalism. I am discussing that subject just now in my latest project. I am off to the library to look at Polanyi's "Aristotle disovers the economy" again. BUT, lest we get carried away with only the

[PEN-L:8674] request for help with sources - 1

1997-02-17 Thread DOUG ORR
I have a student who is doing a paper for another class on how the World Bank, IMF, etc. policies impact on indigenous businesses and restrict the growth of the local economy. I know that the "50 years is enough" group has done a lot of work in this area, but I can find their e-mail or web addr.

[PEN-L:8676] Re: request for help with sources - 1

1997-02-17 Thread Gerald Levy
DOUG ORR wrote: One final question on this topic. I remember someone who has done a lot of work on this topic is a woman named Cheryl P. Anyone would can help me with her last name would be appreciated. Payer Jerry

[PEN-L:8679] Salinas + Narcos (news) (fwd)

1997-02-17 Thread D Shniad
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 00:27:08 + Subject: Salinas + Narcos (news) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: rc whalen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Salinas + Narcos (news) Listeros: Remember who told you first. Un gran abrazo a todos! Diablito MEXICO CITY,

[PEN-L:8682] Re: nuclear subs in russia

1997-02-17 Thread MScoleman
I watched a 60 minutes segment Sunday about the financial collapse of the Russian army. The part that really caught my attention, though, is the fact that by not paying their bills, the Russian nuclear submarines are in danger of melting down because the equipment which keeps the temperatures

[PEN-L:8681] Child of MERU {g'child of NAIRU}

1997-02-17 Thread JDevine
I'm too sick to do "real" work (except the stuff that _really_ needs to be done) and I'm stuck in the office because my wife has my car, so here's the continuing saga of the NAIRU/MERU... In response to my question of whether or not we can "say _definitely_ that unemployment in the US is lower

[PEN-L:8680] Strike to Protest Victimisation of Union Branch Secretary

1997-02-17 Thread D Shniad
From: Lawrence, Elizabeth To: 'CAN-LABOR '; LABOR-L, trade-unions-he; work-at-edu Subject: Strike to Protest Victimisation of Union Branch Secretary Date: 17 February 1997 12:14 Strike to Protest Victimisation of Union Branch Secretary in Accrington, Lancashire, England. (Please cross

[PEN-L:8678] Re: request for help with sources - 1

1997-02-17 Thread Marianne Brun
The name is: Cheryl Payer Her book on the IMF was called "The Debt Trap". I think the one one of the World Bank was called just that. Her address is: Carmine St. No. 10, New York On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, DOUG ORR wrote: I have a student who is doing a paper

[PEN-L:8677] request for help with sources - 2

1997-02-17 Thread DOUG ORR
I have a second request for help with sources. I have another student who is in the MBA program who wants to do a 5-credit independent study on "green capitalism." Specifically she is somewhat interested in "green investing," but is more intereseted in firms that focus on doing environmentally

[PEN-L:8675] visions of the future

1997-02-17 Thread JDevine
Anders writes Someone could argue that only by having a clear vision of the future we want can we hope to make progress. But I've been in plenty of meetings with lefties who have such a vision, and it doesn't seem to do much in helping to figure out what we do right now. As often as not, it

[PEN-L:8673] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Doug Henwood
At 12:10 PM -0800 2/17/97, Tom Walker wrote: BUT, lest we get carried away with only the _strangeness_ of capitalism, there is the infamous other side: it works. It doesn't achieve a just distribution of wealth, but it does sustain a remarkable generation and accumulation of wealth,

[PEN-L:8670] Re: the oddities and logic of capitalism

1997-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
Jerry Levy quoted everyone else and then wrote, To say that capitalism is "odd", by itself, is not a very meaningful statement. For Marx, the object was to discover the _logic_ of capitalism ("the economic law of motion of modern society"), rather than mere oddities. It is easy enough to talk

[PEN-L:8669] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Anders Schneiderman
At 10:06 AM 2/17/97 -0800, Max wrote: Maybe we differ in that one impulse is devoted to creating a legacy of a vision which future generations will find illuminating and useful, and frankly I'm interested in work whose beneficial, tangible effects I will live to see, not least because I would

[PEN-L:8668] Re: market socialism, etc.

1997-02-17 Thread Anders Schneiderman
At 09:45 AM 2/17/97 -0800, Jim wrote: In addition to the issue of external costs benefits, Robin Hahnel is onto something that Kenneth Arrow noted a long time ago: "Under the system of a free market, such feelings [social values, the ordering of social states according to moral standards]

[PEN-L:8665] the oddities and logic of capitalism

1997-02-17 Thread Gerald Levy
Tom Walker wrote: I wrote, Probably no more than one in twenty "marxian economists" would see commodity production as odd. That doesn't mean it's _not_ odd. And Max Sawicky replied This gives an unexpected meaning to the word 'odd.' It may be unexpected, but it's not original. The idea

[PEN-L:8664] Re: Your gender or culture determines your opinions

1997-02-17 Thread JayHecht
In a message dated 97-02-16 16:47:03 EST, you write: In a message dated 97-02-15 09:06:43 EST, you write: man hours sigh. they just don't get it. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maggie, Did I write this? I hope not - I have to pay thrice in my household for such words!! How are

[PEN-L:8662] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't follow, "follow the bananas" or "J. Fred Max." I'd appreciate some enlightenment on these burning questions. I don't think ignorance is at issue, just a taste for my jokes and a certain amount of aging. My point was that if human history is two

[PEN-L:8659] overstuffed mailboxes

1997-02-17 Thread Michael Perelman
When you let your mailboxes fill up and your system begins to reject your mail, it all bounces back to me. I get about 100 such bounces every day. I may need to start removing such accounts from pen-l. Sorry. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929

[PEN-L:8658] market socialism, etc.

1997-02-17 Thread JDevine
About a Hahnel Albert-type socialism, Justin S writes: Politicization of the whole economy will mean that each group will try to put the burdens and costs on other groups while reapin[g] advantages for themselves. Wait a sec, Justin! that's _exactly_ the way a capitalist market works (see,

[PEN-L:8657] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Harry M. Cleaver
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Doug Henwood wrote: This is an important point. In a time when so many of the dwindling band of radical political economists are in hot pursuit of respectability - math, suits and/or stockings, and everything - it's easy to lose the sense that capitalism is a really

[PEN-L:8656] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread Doug Henwood
At 8:21 AM -0800 2/17/97, Tom Walker wrote: I wrote, Probably no more than one in twenty "marxian economists" would see commodity production as odd. That doesn't mean it's _not_ odd. And Max Sawicky replied This gives an unexpected meaning to the word 'odd.' It may be unexpected, but it's

[PEN-L:8653] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-17 Thread PBurns
I agree with Robin Hahnel that externalities are pervasive in market economies and that a great deal of mispricing occurs as a result. The question that needs addressing, though, is how to calculate externalities accurately enough without a decentralized, flexible price system. To

[PEN-L:8651] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-17 Thread blairs
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:8639] Re: market socialism, planned socialism And what's your time horizon for "new-fangled"? Since the death of Christ? . . . Even "since the death of Christ" is only 2000 years -- of 2 million years of human beings. This is

[PEN-L:8649] Over 6000 Participate From More Than 20 Countries: Padagogy '97

1997-02-17 Thread SHAWGI TELL
From February 3-7, a Conference on Education took place in Havana, Cuba with the participation of over 6,000 teachers, professors and specialists in the field of education. The topic was: "Forum for the Unity of Latin-American Educators" and delegates came from over twenty countries, including

[PEN-L:8648] Re: World Banquet -Reply

1997-02-17 Thread Patrick Bond
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14/February/1997 06:16pm He was succeeded by Lewis Preston, who has since died, and then by James Wolfensohn, who is very much alive, and a walking example of the bourgeoisie at its cleverest. Wolfie was banqueting in Cape Town last Friday and Maputo on Saturday.