[PEN-L:8685] Re: progressive taxation

1997-02-18 Thread Nathan Newman
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of truth to that, especially in Western Europe back when social democracy ruled. But here in the US, if I am not mistaken, the big increases in the progressiveness of the tax system coincide with wars. I don't think this is

[PEN-L:8686] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
At 10:06 AM 2/17/97 -0800, Max wrote: Maybe we differ in that one impulse is devoted to creating a legacy of a vision which future generations will find illuminating and useful, and frankly I'm interested in work whose beneficial, tangible effects I will live to see, not least because I would

[PEN-L:8691] Appeal for help

1997-02-18 Thread D Shniad
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 18 13:12 PST 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:10:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:07:16 -0700 From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Task Force on Central America) Dear Friends: PEASANTS ATTACKED IN LAND DISPUTE Dear Friends: We received an urgent action

[PEN-L:8692] The Alternate Budget (Canada)

1997-02-18 Thread D Shniad
The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives is a left wing think tank that works closely with the Canadian Labour Congress and the federal NDP. Over the past several years, the CCPA has spearheaded an effort to combat the destructive effects of deficit worship and the closely related

[PEN-L:8698] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
Michael wrote, Besides, markets are not a lot of fun. Am I just wrong, perhaps overly romanticizing, if I suggest that markets can be fun when they are highly contextualized, a small part of an extensive network of non-market relations? I have fun going to the farmers' market, seeing people I

[PEN-L:8696] Re: the oddities and logic of capitalism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
To say that capitalism is "odd", by itself, is not a very meaningful statement. For Marx, the object was to discover the _logic_ of capitalism ("the economic law of motion of modern society"), rather than mere oddities. It is easy enough to talk about "oddities" -- more difficult is developing a

[PEN-L:8700] Re: market socialism, socialist fun

1997-02-18 Thread Tom Walker
Michael wrote, Besides, markets are not a lot of fun. and Blair wrote, Am I just wrong, perhaps overly romanticizing, if I suggest that markets can be fun when they are highly contextualized, a small part of an extensive network of non-market relations? As Doug Henwood might say, "fun" is

[PEN-L:8701] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread Anders Schneiderman
At 12:03 PM 2/18/97 -0800, Blair wrote: "But,... but,... why bother with this at all, then, if you're not going to get into the details?" "Because I'm kinda tired of some people repeatedly implying or claiming that *their* activity is concrete and practical, getting their hands dirty with

[PEN-L:8706] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread BAIMAN
One of my biggest problems with "mkt socialists" is they have apparently given up on the *PROJECT* of socialism. I have no problem with acknowledging that conscious social choice is not a "solved problem" i.e. that there may be many cases where we may not be able to devise in a particular

[PEN-L:8707] Re: market socialism, etc.

1997-02-18 Thread Justin Schwartz
I agree that putting the costs on others and taking the advantages for oneself is how capitalist politics works. In fact my statement is a very close paraphrase of one by Justice Holmes (talking about capitalist legislation). The point that this is a psecial problems for planned socialism is

[PEN-L:8708] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread Justin Schwartz
"Markets are not a lot of fun," says Michael. This represents a certain point of view. It really depends on the markets the the asymmetries of power. AMong relative in equals in power and where things are not too tight, markets are just exchanges of things you want less for things you want more,

[PEN-L:8705] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread Michael Perelman
What Blair described is the ocassional human contract that manages to seep into market society. Such events are so extraordinary that they need to be singled out for comment. I am off to Walmart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I just wrong, perhaps overly romanticizing, if I suggest that

[PEN-L:8704] health care quote

1997-02-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I picked this up from misc.activism.progressive: The following quotation is the closing paragraph of an editorial in The Lancet, the British medical journal (Feb. 1, 1997 349:9048, 295) titled "What price cost control?"

[PEN-L:8703] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread William S. Lear
On Tue, February 18, 1997 at 16:22:18 (PST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I just wrong, perhaps overly romanticizing, if I suggest that markets can be fun when they are highly contextualized, a small part of an extensive network of non-market relations? [...] Excuse the venom, but: Am I just

[PEN-L:8702] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread bill mitchell
Anders wrote (in part): Our side could use some more dreamers. I can't tell you how many political actions I've been involved with where the lefties involved will Talk the Big Talk (Revolution, etc.) while fighting for a couple of lousy crumbs. Almost nobody is gutsy enough to say, "we want

[PEN-L:8699] Re: the oddities and logic of capitalism

1997-02-18 Thread Gerald Levy
Blair S wrote: But Jerry, considering that most people see capitalism as "natural," indeed, the only way to fly, it seems to me that getting folks to see capitalism as "odd" may be a way to get them to asking questions about others of its characteristics. For many, questioning the

[PEN-L:8695] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
Still bothering me in the "market socialism/planned socialism" dichotomy is a little demon I'll call by the code name of the teleology of reason. Isn't Hegel standing on his head _still_ Hegel? Was this not Althusser's precise point? ("overdetermination and contradiction" -- or vice versa -- in

[PEN-L:8697] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
At 6:45 AM -0800 2/17/97, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prior to agriculture, people hardly worked at all, and didn't have a sense of "work" as separate from leisure (as far as we know). The economy as a separate sphere of the world, in particular, is an invention of capitalism. And please don't

[PEN-L:8694] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
Maybe we differ in that one impulse is devoted to creating a legacy of a vision which future generations will find illuminating and useful, and frankly I'm interested in work whose beneficial, tangible effects I will live to see, not least because I would like to be assured they are indeed

[PEN-L:8693] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-18 Thread blairs
He's referring to our simian origins. -- Follow the bananas = follow the money of watergate fame. J. Fred Max = J. Fred Muggs(sp) - a monkey. Don't go ape now. Is J. Fred Max perchance related to U. Max, famous homo economicus? Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8690] Free Books!

1997-02-18 Thread Eric Nilsson
The Review of Radical Political Economics has a new load of books to give away (in exchange for a book review, of course). Below is a list of books that might be of particular interest to pen-lers. -Arthur, Christopher J.,ed., Engels Today: A Centenary Appreciation. (New York: St. Martin's,

[PEN-L:8688] Re: request for help with sources - 1

1997-02-18 Thread John Audley
You can find the 50 years is enough website either at the Econet, or by visiting Friends of the Earth-U.S., one of the sponsoring organizations. A new book to consider reading (besides the stuff already done by Bruce Rich) is called "Master of Illusions" written by Catherine Caufield. good

[PEN-L:8687] The battle against the re-location of Ericsson Arendal is won!

1997-02-18 Thread Trond Andresen
The Internet support campaign for the employees at the Ericsson, Arendal, Norway plant is over. They won a complete victory (see their thanks appended below). Thanks to you guys on this list who signed the support initiative on the Web. Total number of signatures was 980. regards, Trond

[PEN-L:8689] Re: request for help with sources - 1

1997-02-18 Thread John Audley
Doug, you might have your student stop by and talk with me. I've a good deal of information (and access) to that policy dialogue. john audley Professor John J. Audley Department of Political Science 2247 LAEB Purdue University W. Lafayette, Indiana 47906 317: 494-7599 fax 494-0833 [EMAIL

[PEN-L:8683] greenspan-speak

1997-02-18 Thread ZAHNISER STEVEN SCOTT
A friend of mine forwarded me this funny little tidbit. Steven Zahniser [EMAIL PROTECTED] A demonstration of the effective use of Fed-Speak *If someone asks you, "Would you care for a glass of water?" Do NOT answer with the plain English "No, thank you." Try a response in Fed-Speak: "On