In reply to Michael Perelman:
Good, David. You can see exactly where we disagree on a fundamental issue
where debate becomes all but impossible.
I will make two modifications to your statement. First, to label us
utopian and your position is implicitly practical
You being ironic? ;-)
M.P.
unfortunately, i wasnt. im feeling like that joke about some village
missing its idiot would be appropriate right now (itd be really amusing
if
someone made it), but the only contact ive had with weber is in a book
by
richard
The danger in this argument is in historical
projection. Although the author correctly draws on the
shortcomings of the Tobin tax, he treats the manifesto
as gospel, so if capitalism is supposed to encroach on
less advanced modes of production, ergo, progress. In
other words the author adheres to
David Shemano wrote:
Second, of course you are utopian and I am practical -- why dispute it?
You, and other utopians, want to remake man. You assume perfection is
possible. For goodness sake, if memory serves, you didn't even vote for
Nader, let alone Gore! :). I, on the other hand, am in
Rob Schaap wrote:
So I've given up saying things about Oz, as
it tends to make one feel like a spammer at worst and keeps one out of the
conversation at best. There's probably nothing to be done about this, but
there it is.
=
Cease thy muteness at once, comrade. Be resolute and
Jim Devine wrote:
My son's mild autism (Asperger's syndrome) has convinced me of the validity
of Gardner's
multiple intelligences. Though he (my son) is disabled in terms of social
skills and
handling emotions, he is highly abled in terms of creativity and abstract
intelligence.
His more
PEN-Lers may be interested in the following. Comments on the study mentioned
would be welcome.
Bill Rosenberg
In April, New Zealand and Hong Kong announced the beginning of formal
negotiations for a free trade and investment agreement after exploratory talks
for some months.
It is expected
...
Second, of course you are utopian and I am practical -- why dispute it?
You, and other utopians, want to remake man. You assume perfection is
possible. ...
Part of a real dialog with others is accurately reflecting their
beliefs: these statements above are false. We want to remake social
Coal played its own unique role and should not be analyzed
together with other New World crops. Like sugar, cotton, and
tabacco, coal provided Britain with substantial ecological relief, in
the sense that, by having American lands grow these crops, and
by using cheap supplies of coal,
A book rep came to my office today telling me how good brad de long's text
book would be. Will it be polluted with AS/AD?
Minor pollution with AS/AD only--I want to focus on the Phillips
curve instead of AS/AD, especially because you have to basically lie
to your students to get the AD curve
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mbs: what an imbecile. this is discussed all the time in public choice
lit. this is not even worth responding to.
whoa, sorry. i really struck a nerve citing nozick. perhaps it will
surprise you to learn that anarchy, state and utopia
At 08:30 PM 4/25/01 -0700, you wrote:
Einstein used to use royalty checks as bookmarks. He was not poor by any
means.
I understand that he was able to avoid poverty because others helped him
deal with complications of everyday life that most of can deal with but he
couldn't. This is a symptom
In a foyer of University College London, in a glass fronted cabinet, sits
the preserved body of Jeremy Bentham; philosopher, economist, expounder of
Utilitarianism, Bentham is chiefly remembered for inventing the Panopticon;
a glass walled prison designed for total surveillance.
A video camera
Strike Cripples Greece Despite Government Climbdown
By Jeremy Gaunt
ATHENS, April 26 (Reuters) - Greece was crippled Thursday by a strike that hit
schools, hospitals, public transport and state institutions despite a
government climbdown on unpopular pension reform.
Tens of thousands of Greek
This explains Microsoft documentation and 'help' files. I do hope though
that Bill has the foresight to make provision in his will to follow in the
footsteps of Jeremy Bentham. Alt-Ctrl-Del . . .
Jim Devine wrote,
BTW, Bill Gates is clearer: there was a story in TIME awhile back that
described
I wrote:
BTW, you might enjoy reading utopians: for the top-down socialist vision,
look at Bellamy's LOOKING FORWARD; for the socialism-from-below ideal, see
William Morris' NEWS FROM NOWHERE. Morris' story is not based on the kinds
of motives that you suggest. It's not love but creativity and
Rob Schaap wrote:
So I've given up saying things about Oz, as
it tends to make one feel like a spammer at worst and keeps one out of the
conversation at best. There's probably nothing to be done about this, but
there it is.
Michael Keaney writes:
Cease thy muteness at once, comrade. Be
Too bad. A fair trade group could have really used that $1000.
Peter
Ian Murray wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/news/comment/20010425/t34805.html
A Sweatshop Is Better Than Nothing
By DANIEL L. JACOBS
Last month, after I wrote my final college tuition check of the year, I still
Is it true that Nozick repudiated Anarchy, State and Utopia?
Any references?
Peter
According to Pomeranz, then, the geography of England's coal
deposits was a crucial factor in making of the first industrial
revolution. DeLong may be too collegial when he says I am not
sure that Pomeranz is arguing that the relaxation of resource
constraints in western Europe was the key.
At 02:30 PM 4/26/01 +0300, you wrote:
Here in Finland they're re-running LA Law. One of the main characters is
Benny Stulwicz, an office clerk with learning difficulties who is repeatedly
described as retarded. Is this common usage?
there has been a reaction against retarded, replacing it with
At 07:08 AM 4/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
Perfection of man is neither possible nor is its pursuit desirable.
Of course, what's meant by perfection depends on one's point of view. In
the social Darwinist perspective, perfection seems to mean that each of us
is an aggressive competitor, fighting
when is this textbook coming out?
BTW, Brad there's a typo below. The capital-output ratio is NOT a function
of the savings rate but instead of the investment rate. Not only should
the term savings (a stock) be replaced be replaced by saving (a flow),
but an increased saving rate implies a
Make that Bruno Frey and his colleagues at Zurich...
Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't there a whole literature (led by someone named Frei?) about how materially
rewarding
people for doing things tends to discourage people from doing them simply because
it's
inherently pleasant? -- Jim
At 07:45 AM 26-04-01, Rob Schaap wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Rob, the Soviets believed that the take over was necessary, being
surrounded by belligerent neighbors. E. Europe represented what they
believed to be a necessary buffer.
Which, I'm sure, is how the Poms explained away
At 10:25 PM 25-04-01, Edwin (Tom) Dickens
wrote:
Ferguson also says that the primary task of central banks is to get
monetary policy right--that is, to pursue policies that effectively
promote the objectives established by their legislatures or parliaments,
such as stable prices, full
Jim Devine wrote:
to acknowledge that each of us is weird in his or her own way (pen-l
excepted of course).
Because we're all weird in identical ways? Because we're just
generally weird all around?
Doug
I can't wait for the video game version, with the
cheetah, rabbit, and snail racing across the screen.
mbs
A book rep came to my office today telling me how good brad de long's text
book would be. Will it be polluted with AS/AD?
At 12:08 PM 4/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
to acknowledge that each of us is weird in his or her own way (pen-l
excepted of course).
Because we're all weird in identical ways? Because we're just generally
weird all around?
because pen-lers are the sanest bunch of people I've
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our society tends to rank everyone along a single scale, things like IQ, but
ultimately how much money one makes as income. (The use of IQ is justified by
pointing to how well it allegedly predicts income.) But that kind of thing would doom
people like my son,
From Google:
Yes, but not entirely, in "Nozick's book "The Examined Life", in a chapter called "The Zig-Zag of Politics.""
http://www.free-market.net/forums/main9909b/messages/963561003.html
--Original Message Text---
From: Peter Dorman
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:51:04 -0700
Is it true that
--- David Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is why I love American society -- both Michael Perelman and
rapacious investment bankers can find their place and lead their lives
primarily as they see fit.
David Shemano
This is probably the most absurd claim I have heard on this list.
[subject changed]
Michael Pugliese wrote:
ravi narayan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this debate has recently turned ugly with [norman?] levitt of
rutgers, who is squarely in the anti-relativist pro-scientistic
group, suggesting that perhaps democracy has outlived its utility
since the common man
I aready said a few things about England's Newtonian culture in
the H-World list and will not cover it here. No question this is a
weak link in Pomeranz's coal argument, as other reviewers have
noted. I have read only three reviews, but I suspect that P.H.
Vries's forthcoming Were coal and
I can't wait for the video game version, with the
cheetah, rabbit, and snail racing across the screen.
mbs
You have a better way to teach people the relative lags involved in
automatic stabilizers, monetary policy, and discretionary fiscal
policy?
:-)
Brad DeLong
In a message dated 4/26/01 10:46:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why, you may ask, has the University seen fit to display Bentham all
these
years? The answer, like the answer to so many other questions, is that
we
live in
Sabri Oncu writes:
--
That is why I love American society -- both Michael Perelman and
rapacious investment bankers can find their place and lead their lives
primarily as they see fit.
David Shemano
This is probably the most absurd claim I have heard on this list. I
Sort of, briefly and without elaboration, I mean a paragraph, in one of his
later forgettable books--not Phil Explanations of The Nature of Rationality.
I got rid of the book, it was very slight. --jks
Is it true that Nozick repudiated Anarchy, State and Utopia? Any
references?
Peter
At 01:34 PM 4/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
Most interesting! Not the part about Bentham being stuffed and on display; I
make mention of that, along with a still picture, on my Philosophical
Doggerel web site at: http://members.aol.com/Philosdog/Bentham.html It's the
5-minute updates that I find
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why, you may ask, has the University seen fit to display Bentham all these
years? The answer, like the answer to so many other questions, is that we
live in bourgeois society and it is the desires and even the whims of the
rich that get carried out. As I put it
Sabri Oncu wrote:
[snip]
various strata of the middle class
[snip]
As nearly all of my coworkers would say, they do what they for one simple
reason: The pay check!
If this is true, then identifying them as middle class is obscurantist.
They are working class. The use of the term
At the end of this postingon LBO January 2000 I note that Nozick's
communitarianism is found in his Examined Life (1989). I don't remember him
specifically rejecting or repudiating his earlier work but what he says
positively seems inconsistent with the extreme individualism of his earlier
In a message dated 4/26/01 7:19:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a foyer of University College London, in a glass fronted cabinet, sits
the preserved body of Jeremy Bentham; philosopher, economist, expounder of
Utilitarianism, Bentham is chiefly remembered for
from SLATE:
The NY [TIMES] business section reports that Hasbro reported a $25 million
loss yesterday mostly because of its waning Pokemon
revenue. The story doesn't mention a possible source of the diminution
fronted by the LA [TIMES]: Pokemon has become a target
for religious leaders
Finally, I never said, and very specifically did not say, that every person
living in the United States leads lives as they see fit. As you point out,
that would be an absurd claim. However, what makes the United States a
good society in my eyes is that there is room for Michael Perelman
David, debate is impossible once you reach fundamental questions about human
nature.
David Shemano wrote:
I disagree that the acknowledgment of fundamental issues means that debate
is almost impossible.
Second, of course you are utopian and I am practical -- why dispute it?
You, and other
For fiscal you should have shown a big truck labeled
neoliberalism running the turtle over in the middle
of the screen.
mbs
You have a better way to teach people the relative lags involved in
automatic stabilizers, monetary policy, and discretionary fiscal
policy?
:-)
Brad DeLong
At 02:28 AM 26-04-01, David Shemano wrote:
In reply to Justin Schwartz and Michael Perelman:
. . . What you are both saying, if I may paraphrase, is that human
interaction based upon voluntary exchange is not ennobling. (Let us leave
aside, for the moment, inequality, and just focus on the act
David, you are correct that I said that I can live the kind of life that this
society [usually] prevents. I inhabit a small corner of the world -- academia
-- which until recently retained much of its pre-capitalist, feudal traditions.
Yes, the feudal traditions are not to be desired, but until
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, APRIL 26, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY: The Employment Cost Index (not seasonally adjusted) for
March 2001 was 152.5 (June 1989=100), an increase of 4.1 percent from
March 2000, the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics
reports. The Employment Cost
G'day Pen-pals,
I was, am, and will be interested in what you have to say about Oz. The
Gough Whitlam stuff you sent a while back is important, as is any material or
thoughts on the present resurgence of One Nation, the apparent emergence
of the Greens, and whatever remains of progressive
APRIL 26, 11:05 EST
Sharp Slowdown in Global Growth
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER
AP Economics Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) The global economy will slow significantly this year and could face
even greater problems if the U.S. economy weakens further, the International Monetary
Fund said Thursday in a
[was: Re: [PEN-L:10806] Re: Re: Re: what is economics?]
Ravi wrote:
yes, i would agree with that. but you have to forgive me if i point out
that that still sounds the same as saying scientists and society have
to set the right goals for research in physics. if the goal tends to be
building bombs
At 26/04/01 02:31 -0700, Ali Kadri quoted me
(BTW if anyone knows why such text does not wrap around properly, please
would they let me know?)
but before this wrote:
The danger in this argument is in historical
projection. Although the author correctly draws on the
shortcomings of the Tobin
Jim Devine wrote:
he argues against positivism (though he never really explains
what that is)
I've encountered, it seems like, hundreds of attacks on positivism which
also never explained what it was. When I think of positivism I think of
a poster on another list a couple years ago who
At 06:04 PM 4/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone have a better definition of positivism?
perhaps it's the belief that values and facts can be separated completely
from each other?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Carrol Cox wrote:
Anyone have a better definition of positivism?
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/l/logpos.htm
is a good start at logical positivism. there is an a.j. ayer book
on the matter, that might be worth looking at. positivism in
science is often held to originate with ernst mach,
please unsubscribe me!
Neil
left-communist
This was sent as a letter to a number of Canadian media. The author
obviously wants it as widely circulated as possible
cheers, Ken Hanly
Testimonial on the Anti-FTAA Demonstrations, April 18-22, 2001
April 24, 2001
I want to write about what I saw this weekend in Quebec City. I volunteered
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
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Tel. 530-898-5321
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IN THE STREETS,
ravi narayan wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
Anyone have a better definition of positivism?
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/l/logpos.htm
is a good start at logical positivism.
Logical positivism I know (or at least knew quite well 50 years ago).
The problem is that positivism is a
Carrol,
Positivism is a big umbrella term, encompassing the views of Comte and Saint
Simon (still a force in Brazil), a comprehensive sort of 19th century
Enlightenment progressivism based on science, British empiricism, Austrian
empiriocriticism, and the logical positivism of the Vienna
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