At 28/05/01 21:51 -0700, you wrote:
Britain's Beloved Welfare State
Conservative Party Backs Policies Considered Liberal in U.S.
By T.R. Reid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, May 29, 2001; Page A10
The whole debate on this side of the Atlantic
is several notches to the left of the
At 27/05/01 17:54 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
It was not Hitler's attacks on the Jews that brought the United States into
World War II
Indeed there is some evidence that the entry of the US was used by Hitler
as the excuse to trigger the final solution.
But Louis Proyect's post is more
Chris Burford responds:
The British are more European than American in their attitude toward
tax-and-spend, said London political analyst Hugo Young. Brits are
no readier than the French for the minimal state.
[snip]
Thank God!
But thanks also to the fact that Britain is a much lesser
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On April 18, scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
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Chris Burford:
But Louis Proyect's post is more than a critique of a recent melodramatic
film. He is using it to argue his consistent case that any compromise
internationally with some imperialist powers at the time of the Second
World War, was opportunist, and that the great international
Steve wrote:
I'm afraid I never made the connection between Brenner and Warren. Must be
something like the connection between Zeitlin and Pinochet.
There is no connection between Zeitlin and Pinochet. I have no idea how you
interpret things this way. All I said is that a professor in Chile named
Jim, I don't think this truism needs to be repeated in _this_ context,
because what is at issue is not whether Marx was right or wrong in this
or that particular, or even in this or that major corollary of his
thought. The perspective Lou is arguing does not modify or correct Marx,
it simply
Steve wrote:
I'm afraid I never made the connection between Brenner and Warren. Must be
something like the connection between Zeitlin and Pinochet.
There is no connection between Zeitlin and Pinochet. I have no idea how you
interpret things this way. All I said is that a professor in Chile named
What Third-World revolutions really needed from proletariat
intellectuals in rich imperial nations was not so much the latter's
identification with the former as socialist revolutions in the
belly of the beast, which didn't happen -- hence the former's
collapse or retreat. You can't eat
Wow, Radical History Review allowed a Pinochet supporter be their
webmaster?!
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BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, MAY 25, 2001:
The proportion of U.S. workers holding contingent jobs -- those expected
to last a relatively short time -- declined somewhat between 1999 and
2001, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. To some extent, the
strong economy during that period
Lou says:
What Third-World revolutions really needed from proletariat
intellectuals in rich imperial nations was not so much the latter's
identification with the former as socialist revolutions in the
belly of the beast, which didn't happen -- hence the former's
collapse or retreat. You
If that's not feasible, Third-World revolutions are practically
doomed, though they may hobble along while trying to make
accommodations to the world capitalist market. Even Cubans -- the
best case of Third-World revolutions -- are having a hard time just
getting by, increasingly dependent
Jim Devine:
I'm not the one who invented the term [semi-proletarian]. So you'll have
to explain why it
makes no sense. To me, it expresses the fact that the pure cases of theory
(proletarian, non-proletarian) often don't exist in pure form in empirical
and historical reality. We often see
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Re: Musings of a Brennerite
From: Louis Proyect
Subject: Re: Musings of a Brennerite
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 12:04:49 -0800
Jim Devine:
To say that each case must be examined only in its own terms (is this what
you're really saying?) is totally anti-theoretic, leaning heavily toward
stereotypes of post-modernism, full of sound and rhetorical fury but
signifying nothing.
No, rather I am saying that Marxists should
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1 Re.: Capitalism in Chile
Author: Van Gosse
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 h-radhist
2 Capitalism in Chile
Author: Chris Brady
Anthony DCosta wrote:
Upper middle class would be an overstatement. There are
carpenters, maids, and the like who also fly. When I came to the
US, I saved the airfare from my first job as rural dev consultant, it took
me about two years. Remember also in 1959, Ravi may not:), the Indian
G'day Michael K,
For example, our recent IMF discussions led into
considerations of the British state, which is certainly relevant when
looking at the transformation of Australia over the last 25 years or
so. How was Gough Whitlam deposed? Why? With what means? Is it just a
coincidence
Chris Burford wrote:
So long as Louis Proyect concentrates on trying to analyse history from a
position he regards as completely correct, the longer will he be unable to
engage in the current important issues of what compromises need to be made
now, to forward a progressive agenda
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
What Third-World revolutions really needed from proletariat
intellectuals in rich imperial nations was not so much the latter's
identification with the former as socialist revolutions in the
belly of the beast, which didn't happen -- hence the former's
collapse or
And such revolutions aren't likely to happen in the rich imperial
nations if their left intellectuals are interested only in affairs
thousands of miles from where they sit.
Doug
You forgot to mention that I live on the Upper East Side. Slipping in your
old age?
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing
If that's not feasible, Third-World revolutions are practically
doomed, though they may hobble along while trying to make
accommodations to the world capitalist market. Even Cubans -- the
best case of Third-World revolutions -- are having a hard time just
getting by, increasingly dependent
At 12:00 PM 5/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
If that's not feasible, Third-World revolutions are practically
doomed, though they may hobble along while trying to make
accommodations to the world capitalist market. Even Cubans -- the
best case of Third-World revolutions -- are having a hard time just
This thread is beginning to degenerate. A few important points have been
made.
Lou correctly maintains that it is important to understand how complex
specific economic formations are. Even so, understanding is very difficult.
People outside of California might have problems in understanding
Louis Proyect wrote:
You forgot to mention that I live on the Upper East Side.
well, doesnt kramer suggest that if you do not believe in society,
law and order, you should just move to the upper east side? ;-)
--ravi
Given this complexity, it is dangerous to pretend that one can command
adequate information about formations that are distant and time and space.
Michael Perelman
So what is this? A justification for ignoring the facts about 16th to 18th
century Mexico, Bolivia and Peru? If you took this kind
In a really odd way the debate between Yoshie Lou is recapitulating
that between Stalin and Trotsky, with Lou arguing for socialism in one
country and Yoshie taking Trotsky's position.
:-)
Carrol
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
If that's not feasible, Third-World revolutions are practically
What I meant was that we must understand that our understanding is
imperfect and that we cannot speak as if we could command absolute truths.
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 01:17:17PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
Given this complexity, it is dangerous to pretend that one can command
adequate
What I meant was that we must understand that our understanding is
imperfect and that we cannot speak as if we could command absolute truths.
Michael Perelman
Who is talking about absolute truths? I am simply preparing to describe
extensive capitalist growth based on free wage labor in 18th
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
Jim Devine:
To say that each case must be examined only in its own terms (is this what
you're really saying?) is totally anti-theoretic, leaning heavily toward
stereotypes of post-modernism, full of sound and rhetorical fury but
signifying nothing.
Am. Or at least explain to us how Frank's understanding of Lat. Am. is
superior to Petras's or Zeitlin's.
Steve
I have read Petras extensively. I consider him useful but ultraleft,
especially on Nicaragua. However, he has not written that much about the
16th to 18th century which is of
Mark Jones wrote:
Are you also saying, that revolutions only happen when left intellectuals
form vanguards?
Nope.
Doug
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
Am. Or at least explain to us how Frank's understanding of Lat. Am. is
superior to Petras's or Zeitlin's.
Steve
I have read Petras extensively. I consider him useful but ultraleft,
especially on Nicaragua. However, he has not written that much
How do you know I'm smirking when I write these posts. Amazing powers you
have all the way over there in the Big Apple.
I don't know you if you are smirking or not, but I am glad that you don't
deny you are writing provocations.
I have read Zeitlin, what
charges do I have to defend him
It is a question of tone.
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 01:57:41PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
What I meant was that we must understand that our understanding is
imperfect and that we cannot speak as if we could command absolute truths.
Michael Perelman
Who is talking about absolute truths? I
It is a question of tone.
Michael Perelman
I had an impression it was a matter of epistemology. Like whether or not
somebody in Chico can truly understand what is happening in another country
and in another century.
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
No, it had to do with epistemology only insofar as it does not make sense
to write with absolute certainly. Sorry, if I was not clear.
On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 03:15:55PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
It is a question of tone.
Michael Perelman
I had an impression it was a matter of
Jim Devine:
To say that each case must be examined only in its own terms (is this what
you're really saying?) is totally anti-theoretic, leaning heavily toward
stereotypes of post-modernism, full of sound and rhetorical fury but
signifying nothing.
Louis Proyect:
No, rather I am saying that
Jim Devine:
I think that it's a mistake to assume that every author -- or every author
you dislike (for whatever reason) -- _must_ write about Latin America.
Sorry, I was under the impression we were discussing the class character of
16th to 18th century Latin America. If it was feudal as
--- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tim, who
studies Chico full-time, has an imperfect analysis
of the this small corner of
the world...
I think the difference is that I don't get paid to
only sit around and think about it, and dream up
theories and so forth. I very much enjoy
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
How do you know I'm smirking when I write these posts. Amazing powers you
have all the way over there in the Big Apple.
I don't know you if you are smirking or not, but I am glad that you don't
deny you are writing provocations.
I didn't even
At 10:59 AM 5/29/01 -1000, you wrote:
The way you argue I get the sense that Devine is a
bigger enemy of the people than Reagan...and about as dumb a one also...
hey, I'm worse than that. I'm the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, all
wrapped into one.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hey, I'm worse than that. I'm the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, all
wrapped into one.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
This brings to mind an equine image, but not the
apocalypse dudes.
mbs
Doug Henwood cracked,
And such revolutions aren't likely to happen in the rich imperial
nations if their left intellectuals are interested only in affairs
thousands of miles from where they sit.
Louis Proyect riposted,
You forgot to mention that I live on the Upper East Side. Slipping in
OK. Tim and Tom are correct, except they did not mention the nastiness
that is getting more frequent. I have not seen anything new for a while,
so why don't we drop it. Thanks.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL
OK. Tim and Tom are correct, except they did not mention the nastiness
that is getting more frequent. I have not seen anything new for a while,
so why don't we drop it. Thanks.
--
Michael Perelman
Actually I am taking the day off tomorrow to prepare my final post. After
that we can go back
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hey, I'm worse than that. I'm the four
Monday May 28 12:35 PM ET
Fight Brewing Over Trade Law
By KATHERINE RIZZO, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - A trade battle is shaping up over a law that lets
American companies pocket tens of millions of dollars in fines that
the government collects from foreign competitors.
Foreign
I just received this from Sid Shniad. It is very, very interesting.
[Excerpt from Media Benjamin's interviews with Juan Antonio Blanco from the
book Talking About Revolution. Blanco begins here by recounting his own
experiences as one whose views have not always been in line with prevailing
Tom Walker wrote:
Doug Henwood cracked,
And such revolutions aren't likely to happen in the rich imperial
nations if their left intellectuals are interested only in affairs
thousands of miles from where they sit.
Louis Proyect riposted,
You forgot to mention that I live on the Upper East
Published on Monday, May 28, 2001 in the San Francisco Bay Guardian
Overtaxed Infrastructure
$1.3 Trillion Needed for Repairs Not Tax Cuts for the Wealthy
by Ralph Nader
Economic policy is taking on a surreal appearance in Washington.
President Bush has gambled everything on a massive tax
In part Nathan Newman says:
Unlike the implication sometimes made, I never treat Dems as a magic pill
but merely a strategic advantage to make organizing more effective, since if
there are NO decent bills to even vote on, it's very hard to mobilize
anything.-- Nathan
I agree. maggie
Nathan
This is in response to Max's answer about a third party -- his complete
response is at the end of my comments:
I like the idea of a front porch campaign -- a real time version of a
list. And, I agree with most of your very broad outline. One question
though, how would you define the working
Tom Walker wrote:
Doug Henwood cracked,
And such revolutions aren't likely to happen in the rich imperial
nations if their left intellectuals are interested only in affairs
thousands of miles from where they sit.
Louis Proyect riposted,
You forgot to mention that I live on the Upper East
A meter is an instrument for measuring and recording the quantity of
something, as of gas, water, miles, or time. Take your pick.
Doug Henwood asked,
Does this have something to do with the length of the workday, or the
lump of entertainment fallacy?
Tom Walker
Bowen Island, BC
604 947 2213
Here's a good article about ring-wing dorks in the UK and
the USA.
readme
Triumph of the Dorks
By Michael Kinsley
Thursday, May 24, 2001, at 4:00 p.m. PT
British Prime Minister Tony Blair is often described as an
American-style politician. His opponent in the June 7
election, Conservative
And what about those who want to be workers like the 79% of working
age disabled persons who say they want to work but who cannot get
hired or who have been axed due to an impairment or illness?
Marta
Margaret Coleman wrote:
This is in response to Max's answer about a third party -- his
I think it is gas.
Gene Coyloe
Tom Walker wrote:
A meter is an instrument for measuring and recording the quantity of
something, as of gas, water, miles, or time. Take your pick.
Doug Henwood asked,
Does this have something to do with the length of the workday, or the
lump of
This is in response to Max's answer about a third party -- his complete
response is at the end of my comments:
I like the idea of a front porch campaign -- a real time version of a
list. And, I agree with most of your very broad outline. One question
though, how would you define the working
Doug Henwood wrote:
such revolutions aren't likely to happen in the rich imperial
nations if their left intellectuals are interested only in affairs
thousands of miles from where they sit.
Are you saying that Louis Proyect is not interested in America?
Mark
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