Some of the criticisms seem well-informed and at least partly valid, but
I have to admit that I think there are bigger enemies out there than
Vandana Shiva, and a lot of what she has written seems to have merit to
me.
Vikash, Ulhas, and others--would Wangari Mathai be subject to similar
In a message dated 7/26/02 10:00:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here in California, we have industrialized farming, with chemical
fertilizers, pesticides, etc., but it's hard to describe it as involving
monoculture.
Really? I was under the impression that lettuce
At 06:52 PM 07/26/2002 -0400, you wrote:
As I read Michael's post, the point was that Mali women's use of
mechanized grinding machines has given them time to improve their lives
and become literate. No attempt to draw more general conclusions about
the social consequences of machinery, or to
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From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 03:21 PM 07/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:
The Wall Street Journal today had a front page story about women
in Mali, whose use of mechanized grinding machines has given them
time to improve their lives and become literate.
The Wall Street Journal today had a front page story about women
in Mali, whose use of mechanized grinding machines has given them
time to improve their lives and become literate.
What's the point of this? Did the cotton gin enable slaves to improve
their lives and become literate?
The
You are absolutely correct Joanna. I only posted this to say that
technology CAN improve things. And then, this was in the WSJ. Closer
inspection might prove otherwise.
On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 03:34:50PM -0700, joanna bujes wrote:
At 03:21 PM 07/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:
The Wall Street
And don't forget Paul Burkett's fine book.
On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 06:36:01PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
Furthermore, you won't find anything about this in James O'Connor's
journal. He has his own interpretation of the environmental crisis that
has many useful insights but is not really
ken hanly wrote:
Metabolic Rift. Is that Gaia with Gas from too much hog manure? No doubt
the stink will drift over to some obscure
journal such as Capitalism Socialism, Nature.
No, it is Karl Marx's concept. Let me try this one more time:
V. 3 of Capital, The Transformation of Surplus
At 03:21 PM 07/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:
The Wall Street Journal today had a front page story about women
in Mali, whose use of mechanized grinding machines has given them
time to improve their lives and become literate.
What's the point of this? Did the cotton gin enable slaves to improve their
Title: Reply to post-structurist
Reply to John Shotter's Conversational realities
In this book, he proposes constructing life through language.
For this, he adopts rhetorical-responsive version of social constructionalism.
Firstly, he defines psychology as moral science, and secondly, he
The Wall Street Journal today had a front page story about women
in Mali, whose use of mechanized grinding machines has given them
time to improve their lives and become literate.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail
OK. Labor saving devices save time and labor. This time and labor can be
invested in other (possibly worthwhile) projects. I'm on my fifth day of
not smoking and I'm irritable and I wanted to find out why Michael was
telling me that the world is round.
Oh...Well, I can't help you on that
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At 05:12 PM 07/26/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Grinding flour is a synecdoche for a society characterized by a large
pesantry producing very low-tech goods in households and small villages.
That style of production is inconsitent with being nonpoor. If people want
to stay poor, that's their
I'm not
convinced by Irigarary that the _particular_ obstacle to better physics was
masculinity, but in any case, I don't see how the _general_ point about the
social construction of science and the rejection of pretensions to
objectivity is a (new) achievement.
Well, maybe the development of
Michael Pollak wrote:
Again, the village mill model could work for that too. And it is true
when you grind things fresh they taste a lot better. It's certainly true
for coffee and spices.
Grinding flour is a synecdoche for a society characterized by a large
pesantry producing very low-tech
The only way to make India less poor is to industrialize somehow.
On that we agree. Insofar as Shiva fans are indicating that there might
be radically different patterns of industrialization that might be better
than the dominant one, especially when it comes to farming, for the
welfare of
Doug wrote:
I thought the problem was capitalist farming, not industrial farming.
I think this is something that needs to be thought through carefully.
There is a long debate between those who take the position that
technology itself is for the most part neutral with the problem being
only what
Metabolic Rift. Is that Gaia with Gas from too much hog manure? No doubt
the stink will drift over to some obscure
journal such as Capitalism Socialism, Nature.
Cheers Ken Hanly
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002
Michael Pollak wrote:
Hey, Shiva sets off my bullshit detectors too, but this is an unfair hit.
Mashing lentils isn't industrialized in Manhattan either. It's something
that happens after cooking, like mashing potatoes. And it's not hard.
Ok then, grind flour.
One could reconcile Shiva's
Irigaray's feminist take on science
- Original Message -
From: Devine, James
I have two comments on the posting below; they are off-beat because I don't know what
they imply.
(1) Stephen Wolfram's theories have hardly been generally accepted; it's hard to
justify Irigaray's
assertion
Title: Irigaray's feminist take on science
[was: RE: [PEN-L:28549] RE: Re: rejecting a school]
I have two comments on the posting below; they are off-beat because I don't know what they imply. (1) Stephen Wolfram's theories have hardly been generally accepted; it's hard to justify
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Doug Henwood wrote:
So women should stay at home and mash lentils rather than having this
process industrialized? How many lentils does Shiva mash, in between her
visits to Japan and San Francisco? Or is there one rule for educated
professional women, and another for
I don't understand the physics, but wasn't Newtonian physics transcended
long before post-structuralism (by Einstein, a socialist, for one)?
Sort of. Newtonian mechanics is a limit case of special relativity if
spacetime is flat and velocities are well below the speed of light.
Einstein's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the current BUSINESSWEEK --
But, like Japan, Germany is governed by consensus, which
makes it difficult to enact controversial reforms. The consensus society
is
unlikely to provide the flexibility needed in today's rapidly changing
business world, says Quitzau.
Friday July 26, 6:02 am Eastern Time
Reuters Company News
Underwriters prop up Bank of China HK again on day two
By Alison Leung and Bei Bei She
(Recasts, adds analyst quotes- and updates share price)
HONG KONG, July 26 (Reuters) - Underwriters battled to shore up sagging Bank
of China Hong
Mat - Dean sometimes does this assuming mainstream
arguments are right about x, then advising y contradicts
x kind of argument, simply to score debate points. For
example, when Dean and others were arguing against the
Fed's use of NAIRU, they would say there's no evidence
that lower
Is Germany turning Japanese?
- Original Message -
From: Devine, James
But, like Japan, Germany is governed by consensus, which makes it difficult to enact
controversial
reforms. The consensus society is unlikely to provide the flexibility needed in
today's rapidly
changing business
Friday July 26, 12:07 pm Eastern Time
Dow Jones Business News
Citigroup Seeks Control Of Argentine Newspaper - Report
BUENOS AIRES -(Dow Jones)- Citigroup Inc. (NYSE: C - News) 's Argentina unit
wants a 58% stake in and management control of SA La Nacion in exchange for
the $100 million in
Title: Is Germany turning Japanese?
From the current BUSINESSWEEK --
Japanese-Style Woes in Germany
Chronically weak growth, minimal inflation, mediocre productivity, and a plunging stock market: Today's Germany looks much the way Japan did in the early 1990s. If Berlin doesn't take
Pork production is localised in North Carolina? Hmm.. Ill have to inform the
local citizen's groups protesting the invasion of hog barns in Manitoba. Get
back to NC yea Elite and Premium Pork Corps.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28598] Re: RE: intellectual property dispute
What a pusillanimous pussyfooter! Only his new bureaucratic position can explain his unwillingness to take a stand on such an important issue goes against his usual dogmatism.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Devine, James wrote:
it's better than the Justin/Britney/Christina thread.
By the way, when confronted recently by some Harvard students, Larry
Summers brutally refused to say whether he preferred Britney or
Christina.
Doug
Michalke.
Is the day still open? I would appreciate a copy of the pdf file.
For people who are interested, here is a one-day offer. I have an
excellent pdf article (not mine) which I can share with interested
people. This is a one day offer only.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
As I read this it just says that small private ownership or large scale
private ownership of land both are barriers to development of agriculture
i.e. insofar as they are capitalist forms of agriculture.. His point is that
arguing for industrial versus small scale agriculture is pointless. You
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
some Western Marxist sermons
Some X is Y is almost always a true statement, and for that reason is,
usually, either utterly trivial or unprincipled or both. From the fact
that some X is Y nothing whatever of interest about X follows.
Carrol
Doug Henwood :
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
Doug could see my pen-l post number 26813 Why India needs transgenic
crops.
Thanks. I missed that first time around. Do you agree?
Yes, I do !
Ulhas
full piece at:
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1915/19150840.htm
...when push comes to shove, the only superpower of the world will not hesitate to
apply open
pressure on national governments, using its leverage. In fact, some non-governmental
organisations
(NGOs) in the North, such as the World
Ian Murray :
Marxism has no country. It is the world outlook of the international
working class.
===
It is?
Marxism has no country, except Cuba ! :-)
Ulhas
from: http://www.sirc.org/articles/oxfam_berated.html
Oxfam Berated by Eco-activists on GM Issues
Oxfam's recent position paper, Genetically Modified Crops, World Trade and
Security is a thoughtful and balanced document. It is rightly concerned that
the introduction of GM crops in the third
As I read this it just says that small private ownership or large scale
private ownership of land both are barriers to development of agriculture
i.e. insofar as they are capitalist forms of agriculture.. His point is that
arguing for industrial versus small scale agriculture is pointless. You
Forstater, Mathew wrote:
Some of the criticisms seem well-informed and at least partly valid, but
I have to admit that I think there are bigger enemies out there than
Vandana Shiva, and a lot of what she has written seems to have merit to
me.
Of course there are bigger enemies out there. But
ACLU Files Suit vs. Tech Copyright
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
BOSTON (AP) -- Ben Edelman, fresh out of Harvard, has spent much of his young
programming career
pressing software companies that make Internet filters for schools and public
libraries to reveal
how their products work.
He worries
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28581] Re: RE: Re: industrialized farming
me: BTW, it's not factories or machine _per se_ that represented the shame of
the 19th century industrial model, but how they were used, who made the
decisions, and the motivations of these people (aggressive
profit-seeking).
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28583] intellectual property dispute
it's better than the Justin/Britney/Christina thread.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
-Original Message-
From: Ian Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:38 AM
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:28582] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vandana Shiva
I also notice that some Western Marxist sermons are usually meant for
Indians (or Indonesians and
[surely more interesting than the Shiva thread no?]
Producer Sues Over 'Osbournes' Idea
Fri Jul 26,12:20 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A producer has sued Ozzy Osbourne and the rock musician's wife,
claiming the
couple stole the idea for their hit MTV reality series The Osbournes from him.
Ulhas Joglekar wrote:
Doug could see my pen-l post number 26813 Why India needs transgenic
crops.
Thanks. I missed that first time around. Do you agree?
Doug
BTW, it's not factories or machine _per se_ that represented the shame of
the 19th century industrial model, but how they were used, who made the
decisions, and the motivations of these people (aggressive
profit-seeking). Similarly, I don't think that pesticides and chemical
fertilizers _per
As I recall, the stakes were a case of Lagavulin. This payoff comes too
late. I had lunch with Max Monday on his way to Tokyo. If he had already
received the case, maybe I could have mooched a bottle off him. Damn.
Tom Walker
604 254 0470
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28566] RE: RE: RE: RE: Baker and Kar on SS
Mat: Except for the fact that he is arguing against SS privatization, there is nothing there that I can support, and it doesn't even make an argument-it assumes we all know that and why deficits are bad and surpluses are good. Is
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28565] Re: industrialized farming
me:Here in California, we have industrialized farming, with chemical fertilizers, pesticides, etc., but it's hard to describe it as involving monoculture.
LP: Really? I was under the impression that lettuce farms grew only lettuce, hile
I don't understand the physics, but wasn't Newtonian physics transcended
long before post-structuralism (by Einstein, a socialist, for one)? I'm not
convinced by Irigarary that the _particular_ obstacle to better physics was
masculinity, but in any case, I don't see how the _general_ point
I thought the problem was capitalist farming, not industrial farming.
Doug
No, I meant exactly what I said. It is a function of what John Bellamy
Foster calls the metabolic rift. It doesn't matter particularly where you
put a factory. The same thing is not true about farms. Right now pork
Title: RE: Vandana Shiva
Isn't this kinda related to a question I think
should be put to US citizens, ie, who decided that it was a good idea to get rid
of all those industrial jobs for better higher-value jobs. Isn't that the
argment and rational behind GATT, WTO and the who neo-lib
Doug Henwood :
I notice that Shiva's biggest fans are in the West, among people who
shop at (organic) supermarkets.
I also notice that some Western Marxist sermons are usually meant for
Indians (or Indonesians and Egyptians). The official Marxist-Leninists
states can get away with anything.
Isn't it too soon to say it was too low?
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:28556] the great bet
Some time ago, Mark Jones, who has not returned made a bet with Max that
the stock
I also notice that some Western Marxist sermons are usually meant for
Indians (or Indonesians and Egyptians). The official Marxist-Leninists
states can get away with anything.
Ulhas
Marxism has no country. It is the world outlook of the international
working class.
At 26/07/2002 17:42, Michael wrote:
Some time ago, Mark Jones, who has not returned made a bet with Max
Actually I have returned, but I have not yet written to Max detailing my
terms, which however I plan to.
Wall St is now worth about $11 trn instead of the $20 trn it was worth two
years
Louis Proyect wrote:
Socialists are not in favor of industrialized farming. Karl Marx wrote:
and
No, she reads rather like the average Frankfurt-influenced leftist
who blames the world's problems on Descartes, industrialization, etc.
I thought the problem was capitalist farming, not
Devine, James wrote:
Doug: So you agree [with V. Shiva] that women rather than machines
should grind flour?
isn't this a false dichotomy (perhaps coming from Shiva)? Isn't
there a spectrum of different techniques for grinding flour, with
some more capital intensive than others, so-called
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28553] RE: RE: Baker and Kar on SS
I assume he is opposed to IMF policy, Jim.. I usually find
myself in agreement with most everything Dean Baker writes. But that is the point of my surprise to read
his words:
the increase in the government deficit, due to the loss of
Many years ago, I was appointed to a US Dept. of Agriculture Taskforce on
monoculture. I wrote a minority report.
Jim, the fact is that farming in California, even, is monocultural -- not
for the state as a whole, but huge swaths are planted to the same seeds,
whereas in traditional farming
ravi wrote:
so what is wrong with sitting at home and mashing lentils? isn't the
point that the choice be available? as for shiva's point: it's
unimportant whether its men who are doing it or women (she says
women because they are doing it today). the point she makes is that
it is preferable for
Justin Schwartz wrote:
Well, you can be on the left nonetheless. Russell was on the left,
and had a naive old-fashioned hoch-Enlightenment view of science.
I never said Sokal wasn't on the left (though he's a pretty mild
leftist).
Depending on what you mean by that, that might be me too. Not
Here in California, we have industrialized farming, with chemical
fertilizers, pesticides, etc., but it's hard to describe it as involving
monoculture.
Really? I was under the impression that lettuce farms grew only lettuce,
while tomato farms grew only tomato, etc.
BTW, I think that
Title: industrialized farming
[was: RE: [PEN-L:28559] Re: Re: Re: Re: Vandana Shiva]
LP: industrialized farming historically has meant one thing and one
thing only: the introduction of chemical fertilizers, monoculture,
pesticides and everything that goes along with that.
Here in
G'day Doug,
Oh yes, blame the short-sellers, not the idiots who bought stuff on
the way up. This is almost American in its stupidity.
Were they idiots? Technoboosters (Negropontes, Gilders and Malones come
to mind), professional researchers, leading journos and auditors alike -
all boasting
Title: RE: Vandana Shiva
Doug: So you agree [with V. Shiva] that women rather than machines should grind flour?
isn't this a false dichotomy (perhaps coming from Shiva)? Isn't there a spectrum of different techniques for grinding flour, with some more capital intensive than others,
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28553] RE: RE: Baker and Kar on SS
Mat wrote:Argentina's problem was not budget deficits, but the currency board (among other things). I agree that external debt (debt denominated in another country's currency) is a problem.
right.
And I am certainly not arguing for SS
Here is a URL for a talk by Paul Baran -- the Internet pioneer, not the
Marxist -- from 1994 suggesting that there was no scarcity for wireless
spectrum. It probably is relevant today given the telecom bubble.
I doubt that socialists as socialists either support or oppose, in
principle, industrialized farming. It depends on ..[all sorts of
things]
Carrol
Carrol, industrialized farming historically has meant one thing and one
thing only: the introduction of chemical fertilizers, monoculture,
Some time ago, Mark Jones, who has not returned made a bet with Max that
the stock market was about to crash. I forget the exact date and exact
level, but Mark's estimate was too soon and too low. He asked me to
announce to that Max is about to be paid in full.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
I did not pick up on that. I was looking at what she said about
agriculture rather than processing.
It would be hard for me to make the time today to defend what might seem
undefensible, but I would say that my understanding is that people used to
make a celebration of certain harvest
Louis Proyect wrote:
Socialists are not in favor of industrialized farming. Karl Marx wrote:
I doubt that socialists as socialists either support or oppose, in
principle, industrialized farming. It depends on ..[all sorts of
things]
Carrol
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28486] Baker and Kar on SS
Argentinas problem was not budget deficits, but the currency board
(among other things). I agree that
external debt (debt denominated in another countrys currency) is a
problem. And I am certainly not
arguing for SS privatization! But havent
we
If there are any responses I will forward them to the list whence this came.
When did inhibiting free enterprise ever harm the public ;)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
\\
The following questions are not limited to the business of healthcare, but
business more generallyhowever they are inspired by the
Doug Henwood wrote:
I swear, sometimes she reads like Marie Antoinette in a sari.
Doug could see my pen-l post number 26813 Why India needs transgenic
crops.
Ulhas
A non-sophisticated critique in 238 words:
In most of her writing, Vandana Shiva essentializes gender differences
to the point of producing stereotypes and complete myths. She argues
that there is a 'feminine principle' that binds women to the land.
Specifically, peasant women are transformed
I'm skeptical of this achievement. Certainly the blind spot of liberal
equality is exposed by post-prefixers' focus on marginality, but how much,
really, been added to the earlier Marxist, feminist, anti-imperialist etc.
appreciations of social inequality/complexity (the better versions; I'm
Can someone name the main achievement of one author who has been
dubbed post-structuralist?
the lads at http://www.adequacy.org had a go at claiming that Luce Irigaray
anticipated Stephen Wolfram's New Kind of Science: (I have added a couple
of question marks to words which do not get
In his "Critique of the Gotha Programme, describing distribution in the first stage of communism, Marx points out, " In the cooperative society based on common ownership of the means of production, a producer does not exchange his product." Accordingly, it is evident that the socialist society in
Doug Henwood wrote:
So women should stay at home and mash lentils rather than having this
process industrialized? How many lentils does Shiva mash, in between her
visits to Japan and San Francisco? Or is there one rule for educated
professional women, and another for uneducated peasant
Michael Perelman wrote:
Most of what she says in the piece Lou posted is correct, except Cargen is
really Cargill. She does have a tendency to romanticize and exaggerate, but
this piece seems pretty good.
So you agree that women rather than machines should grind flour?
Doug
G'day Jim,
Can someone name the main achievement of one author who has been
dubbed post-structuralist?
Speaking as a reader of English translations, I dare suspect only
Foucault could write such that he might be understood and enjoyed - and
even he had many a moment. That said, and although
Title: RE: [PEN-L:28537] Re: rejecting a school
[how's the font?]
I wrote: BTW, how is post-structuralism defined? I'm post-structuralist since I learned from the Althusserian structuralists ... but moved on. But I don't think that's what the term means...
Christian writes: It all
So women should stay at home and mash lentils rather than having this
process industrialized? How many lentils does Shiva mash, in between her
visits to Japan and San Francisco? Or is there one rule for educated
professional women, and another for uneducated peasant women?
Socialists are not
Most of what she says in the piece Lou posted is correct, except Cargen is
really Cargill. She does have a tendency to romanticize and exaggerate, but
this piece seems pretty good.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
Vandana Shiva wrote:
These advanced technologies are not about feeding a hungry world.
They are about seeking control over the natural world, over people,
and taking away the productive capacity of women. The McKinsey
Corporation, a large international consultant firm, recently
produced a
Ian Murray wrote:
The strongest objections to democratizing technology come from experts who fear the
loss of their
hardwon freedom from lay interference.
This part is simply absurd! It's the software engineers, not Bill Gates
et al who keep Microsoft undemocratic?
It is worth
New from the Financial Markets Center
Capital Flows Monitor: July 26, 2002
The U.S. international investment position continues to deteriorate, draping
an increasingly ominous cloud over domestic and global economic activity. In
the latest edition of Capital Flows Monitor, Jane D'Arista looks
Can anyone tell me the maximum earnings subject to SS tax
for 2002? I've searched the SSA website and can't seem to
find it. Thanks.
Ellen
- Original Message -
From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:53 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:28630] Re: Re: Re: Drudgery
Ian Murray wrote:
The strongest objections to democratizing technology come from experts who fear
the loss of
their
Check --
http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/colafacts2001.htm
Eric
Can anyone tell me the maximum earnings subject to SS tax
for 2002? I've searched the SSA website and can't seem to
find it. Thanks.
Ellen
July 26, 2002
GE Capital to Split Into Four
By REUTERS
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jeff Immelt, in his first major reorganization as chief of
General Electric Co.
(GE.N), on Friday tightened his grip on GE Capital and said he would split GE's
profit-driving
finance arm into four parts.
The
In a message dated 7/26/02 5:03:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ian Murray wrote:
The strongest objections to democratizing technology come from experts who fear the loss of their
hardwon freedom from lay interference.
This part is simply absurd! It's the software
There it is! Thanks, Eric.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Check --
http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/colafacts2001.htm
Eric
Can anyone tell me the maximum earnings subject to SS tax
for 2002? I've searched the SSA website and can't seem to
find it. Thanks.
Ellen
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:53 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:28636] Re: Re: Re: Re: Drudgery
In a message dated 7/26/02 5:03:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ian Murray wrote:
The strongest objections
Ian Murray wrote:
--
Actually Feenberg, coming from a Marxian-Marcusian-Heideggerian standpoint pays a
lot of attention
to May 68 as well as address property relations. But you'd have to actually read his
books to see
that.
I intended my comment to apply only to the specific sentence
Lou. Check this out. http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/swine/prod/states.html#io
US hog production is not centred in North Carolina but Iowa. In fact Iowa is
far and away the leader in marketing. North Carolina produces many little
piglets. Many are shipped to Iowa. Why? Because it is cheaper to ship the
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