Hey, I didn't write that, it's from the NY Times article I sent to the
list...Steve
On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, William S. Lear wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2000 at 13:26:56 (-1000) Stephen E Philion writes:
And what of the poorest Americans' loss of ground compared to the
richest
Michael Pereleman, Please.Steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, chang wrote:
Too bad the U.S. never had Red Guards.
Juchang He
- Original Message -
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Doug Henwood wrote:
Charles Brown wrote:
GDP is used to hoodwink the people.
Did Chang move to Detroit?
Doug
They sure need him there these days them why they need not fear
unemployment.
Steve
yes, chang thinks we all, whether Chinese, American, African,...should not
fear unemployment and ditching state investment in industry...
Steve
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Charles Brown wrote:
Chang is an internationalist. We are all Chang.
CB
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/00 05:53PM
NY Times: March 26, 2000
Many Companies Are Forced to Dip Deeper Into Labor Pool
By LOUIS UCHITELLE
K ANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Unable to find enough workers in the booming
economy, American corporations are trying to expand the labor pool.
Until recently, employers had met their
NYT: March 26, 2000
The Price of Oil
Letters Index
_
To the Editor:
As a former oil trader, I think there are several issues to consider
about the currently high price of oil ("Clinton Calls for New
DRAFT POSITION DRAFT POSITION DRAFT POSITION DRAFT POSITION
The following is a draft document, written as a basis for discussion. It
is not a final document. The Labor Immigrant Organizers Network (LION)
invites the comment, not only of members of the LION network, but of people
After the current anti-China strategy fails, hopefully when the labor
movement is thinking about which way to go next, it will consider views
such as this more seriously. I think Doug reported recently that there is
considerable tension within the AFL-CIO about the 'yellow peril' strategy,
so
Max,
Noone is calling anyone racist. But relying on Harry Wu to justify an
attack on China? Tibetan nuns? What does this have to do with the issue of
labor rights in China? Maybe in ads against China trade they can also
include pictures of Wen Ho Lee, my sense is the strategy is 'whatever it
I agree with this text, of course. Note that the source is the same kind
of source that Henry has so passionately attacked Doug for using when
making criticisms of the labor regime in China. It's nice to see that it
is alright to quote from the beast after all when discussing China
Steve
On
Jim Devine wrote:
I'm not going to comment on any of the details of this thread (especially
the unnecessary rudeness),
Steve writes:
Thanks for your comments.
I'd like to respond to this above comment however. I've tried to not be
rude toward Max, I respect his work at EPI and him even when I
I agree with Henry about Harry Wu. I think his attacks on Doug are based
on much less valid reasoning. Henry might not like Doug's critical
comments on aspects of China's labor regime, but Henry can't even bring
himself to acknowledge that Doug also is critical of the AFL-CIO's positin
on
I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people
like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is
short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't
blame China or trade with China for their problems.
I say it will fail for
From Monthly Review: Volume 51, Number 10
March 2000
After Seattle:
Understanding the Politics of Globalization
by William K. Tabb
{Cut, about the first 2/3rds of the article, go to www.monthlyreview.org
for full article)
Similarly, an analysis is needed concerning the politics inherent in
Mine,
Have you heard of liberation theology to begin with?
Steve
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work?
what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights,
sweatshops and social justice
steve wrote orginally:
I'm convinced it'll fail because of the well laid out arguments of people
like Bacon and Tabb (see March issue of Monthly Review). The strategy is
short sighted and will not jive with the American populace, who don't
blame China or trade with China for their problems.
Max wrote:
Tabb and others are troubled by the anti-communist overtones
of the China/WTO campaign and find it unpleasant to look at
the real state of labor and human rights in China. We seem
stuck in the old trap of apologizing for transgressions of
really-existing communism in
the belief or
Mine wrote:
It is sad that the US
left, whatever it means, still subscribes to the notion of compatibility
of religion and socialism. If Mr. jesus can save us from capitalism, let
him save us!
Steve writes:
The stuff of sectarianism. Who cares about someone's religious beliefs, I
care more
My apologies for sending on this information from a bourgeois source. But
for those offended, rest assured this kind of story you can find in
Chinese magazines, newspapers,...Steve
Subject: "All the work units have collapsed. . . . It's a dangerous
situation."
Washington Post
WTO
Yes, Mine, I could see you in Kansas trying to fight for your child's
right to not be subjected to creationist dogma. Daniel Berrigan walks up
to you and offers cooperation, your response?, "Sorry Dan, gotta give up
your religion before we work together to fight creationists"
Steve
Stephen
Boston Globe ]
Temp agencies find labor pool evaporating
By Michael Crowley, Globe Staff, 3/30/2000
[H.gif] ow tight is the labor market in Boston? Consider the latest
tactic of Franklin Pierce
My apologies for sending on this information from a bourgeois source. But
for those offended, rest assured this kind of story you can find in
Chinese magazines, newspapers,...Steve
Subject: "All the work units have collapsed. . . . It's a dangerous
situation."
Washington Post
WTO
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
are your catholic folks progressive enough when it comes to gender
issues? just crucious to know...
Mine
Steve: The answer to that is, obviously, yes. Many Catholic lefties are
pro-choice,...all one has to do is read their literature. They might
Spam., steve
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is this debate about?
Michael, the debate is as follows...
Still, religion has inspired great generosity and positive heroism in
others.
thanks god for his generosity!
then go and register to a biology course in
This is a useful contribution, not simply because I agree with the text,
but because it doesn't resort to simplistic characterizations of the
AFL-CIO as a monolothic entity, with all troops goosestepping to the same
tune. Note the discussion of the Asian desk if you are wondering what I
mean. Any
You have to scroll down a bit to get to the story, but it's worth reading.
Steve
Subject: CNN.com - Bolivia declares emergency over protests - April 8, 2000
http://cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/04/08/bolivia.emergency.reut/index.html
Title: CNN.com - Bolivia declares emergency over protests -
For the record, the Steve referred to below is Steve Rosenthal, not me...
Steve (The "PEN Steve")
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
Steve wrote:
The Economist April 8-14, 2000
SURVEY CHINA
Now comes the hard part
China looks set to change as much in the next five years as in the past
extraordinary 20, says Dominic Ziegler
IF YOU think, says a high administration official in Washington,D C,
what will be required for economic
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
The reason that the government has been so spineless with respect to the
kidnappers is that it is ambivalent about their role in American society.
I would agree about this in part. This view is amendable at any moment.
It needs the Miami gusanos as
Chinese Workers Are Showing Disenchantment
Official Statistics Show Number of Labor Disputes Has Soared as Workers
Complain of Late or No Pay, Layoffs, Corruption
By John Pomfret
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, April 23, 2000; Page A23
BEIJINGThe number of labor disputes in China has
The San Francisco Chronicle Monday, April 24, 2000
CHINA REPORTS BIG SURGE IN LABOR UNREST DURING 1999
Disputes over unpaid pensions, wages, fraud
By John Pomfret, Washington Post
Beijing -- The number of labor disputes in China has skyrocketed -- to
more
Friday, May 5 10:28 AM SGT
Little interest among Chinese students one year after NATO bombing
BEIJING, May 5 (AFP) -
For many students who took part in the violent anti-US protests after the
NATO bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade anger has given way to study,
job hunting and the dream
May 5, 2000
China Shepherds US Ties After Bomb
By The Associated Press
BEIJING (AP) -- China and the United States are wrangling anew over Taiwan,
trade and a host of human rights complaints. A year after U.S. bombs
shattered China's embassy in Yugoslavia, bitterly strained relations have
Saturday, May 6, 2000
Jiang walks tightrope between left and right
WILLY WO-LAP LAM
Communist Party ideologues have temporarily wound down their campaign
against rightists, or "bourgeois-liberal" intellectuals who advocate faster
political reform.
The main reason is that the hard left has
The Telegraph (UK)
Sunday May 7, 2000
China's recession adds pressure for workers' rights
By Damien Mcelroy in Beijing
CHINA returns to work today after an unprecedented week-long national
holiday ordered by a Communist leadership alarmed at escalating violent
protests and strikes among a
BBC
Saturday, 6 May, 2000, 09:30 GMT 10:30
Chinese workers desert state sector
By Duncan Hewitt in Beijing
An official survey in China has given further evidence of the dramatic
changes in the country's economy.
The nationwide survey found that in the last two decades, the proportion of
Hi Michael,
Sorry to respond so late. Private businesses tend to pay quite a bit more
than state companies, especially skilled positions. The desertion is a
combination of boot and attraction. Of course, it depends on what kind of
skills you possess and the state of the SOE you're located in.
NYT May 17, 2000
Unrest Grows in China's Old State Plants
By ERIK ECKHOLM
B EIJING, May 16 -- Up to 2,000 unpaid workers and retirees have
besieged their factory and government offices in a northeastern
city over the last two days, the latest example of growing labor
If Charles is channelling Chang, he's doing a bad job of it. He forgot to
add that we have nothing to fear from unemployment...
Steve
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Doug Henwood wrote:
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: Wasn't GDP socio-politically constructed in order to hoodwink the people ?
You
Recalling my appeal to would be maligners of the labor movement as a
monolithic arm of US foreign policy.
Steve
Subject: ILWU Position on China Trade
International Longshore and Warehouse Union
Thirty-first International Convention
Portland, Oregon
May 1 - 5, 2000 Resolution # R-39
The
Doug,
By far the best article I've read on this is by Ellen Wood (the evil
social democrat, you remember?), called "The Uses and abuses of civil
society". It's a chapter of here book, *Democracy versus Capitalism* (or
against capitalism-don't remember).
Later, Steve
On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Doug
Mine, there are many many people on this list who believe that women
should have children and that it is their only purpose in life. So, the
argument you make is bound to be very controversial. I understand that Sam
is also for keeping women bound barefoot in the kitchen...for shame!
Steve
On
I think that what Martin argues below is similar to the arguments that
Bill Tabb made a few months ago in MR, right on the money.
Steve
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
And what political implications should we draw from the fact that US
capital is highly mobile, using China, among other
Maggie,
Perhaps it's not necessary to cringe. If the women had more savvy
she wouldn't be so explicit and it would be impossible to ever make her
(or her predecessor's) politics a subject of debate, let alone scrutiny.
We should always be
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
At 07:34 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Louis Proyect wrote, inter alia:
The show tip-toed around the all important question of the capitalist
system. It made the need to reverse environmental degradation,
consumerism, etc. a personal choice rather than a
Just wanted to send on a note of appreciation to Louis for taking the time
to record this event. For those of us who would give anything to be in
the Big Apple for such an event as this, but are at the moment some twenty
hours away by air, such posts are invaluable.
not to mention wonderful
Recall what I said last week about the often confused discourse of
anti-imperialism and neo-liberal ideology taking plaace in China at the
moment...
Steve
HK Standard
May 15, 1999
Backlash against US goods could boomerang
STORY: SHANGHAI: Chinese citizens would damage their
Early this morning, students in ChengDu, a Southwest city of China,
send an
apology letter to President Clinton and the American people for the
accident
of burning down the US consulate in that city days ago:
We, the students in ChengDu, hereby sincerely express our deep sorrow to
the US
On Sun, 2 Nov 1997, Gerald Levy wrote:
LNP didn't (and doesn't) like Bob Malecki. Well, OK ... he's not exactly
my favorite person either. But, Proyect decided that since he didn't like
Malecki (a personal grudge), he would [try to] chase him off of cyberspace
by maliciously claiming that
Amid explosive trade debate, China sends the United States jobs
JOE McDONALD, Associated Press WriterSunday, May 21, 2000
Breaking News Sections
-
(05-21) 09:18 PDT QINGDAO,
Sounds very orange to me
Steve
On Mon, 22 May 2000, Doug Henwood wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Use them and shoot them philosophy!
Bracingly clarifying.
I'm very grateful you're nowhere near state power.
Doug
Just a thought. In such situations, perhaps it would be a good idea to
make some 5-10,000 leaflets (these #s are picked out of nowhere) and
distribute them in front of the 'newspapers of record.' The leaflets
could compare the 'official story,' with the union's side of the story.
Demos outside
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Louis Proyect wrote:
[If the blockade is lifted] socialism will be strengthened. That's a
fact.
Louis Proyect
Louis,
My impression is the opposite. I certainly don't oppose Cuba's efforts to
lift the embargo, but I'm very doubtful that lifting the embargo will
How about electing your own union reps? Officials? Is that something we
can get rid of after the rev. also?
Steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
On Mon, 22 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject: Beijing exploits appalling safety record to shut mines
World Socialist Web Site
Beijing exploits appalling safety record to shut mines
By Terry Cook 31 January 2000
On January 11, a mine collapse in China's eastern Jiangsu province killed
seven workers instantly. The next day 23
Hopefully we can convince the good cadres to stop the bad cadres and then
this problem can be solved.Steve
South China Morning Post
Friday, February 4 6:44 AM SGT
State-owned firms left behind as dependence on US grows
The imports and exports of foreign-invested joint ventures in the
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
At 12:52 PM 2/11/00 -1000, you wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
Of course, the US (and especially the anti-Castro Cubans of Miami)
wants to
bring back the "good old days" of the 1950s, with the anti-Castro Cubans
replacing
This is an outstanding article, one which takes the labor movement where
it is and, given that, where it might be able to go.
Steve
WORLD LABOR NEEDS INDEPENDENCE AND SOLIDARITY
By David Bacon
March 4, 2000
Within weeks of the Seattle demonstrations against the World Trade
Newsbytes
Thursday, February 24 9:49 PM SGT
EU Squeezes China On Foreign Ownership
BEIJING, CHINA, 2000 FEB 24 (NB) - By Martin Stone, Newsbytes. European
Union (EU) negotiators are reportedly seeking the right to 51 percent
foreign ownership of Chinese telecom firms as part of talks
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
At 07:37 PM 3/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
You have missed nothing, Mat. A commodity is something that is for sale.
Industrial capital is for sale everyday. The recent round of mergers and
takeovers demonstrate that without doubt.
George is in fact
NY Times March 10, 2000
China's Controls on Rural Workers Stir Some Rarely Seen Heated Opposition
By ERIK ECKHOLM
B EIJING, March 9 -- China's long-entrenched controls over where
people may live and work have become a subject of unusual public
debate here, with critics
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
Conclusion to a longer piece by David Bacon posted to PEN-L by Stephen
Philion:
The AFL-CIO left Seattle making opposition to China's membership in
the WTO, and new administration trade agreements with China, the
centerpiece of its trade
Chelsea's no longer a virgin?
Steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
Yes Jery you are right, Doug Henwod is an evil exploiter of cheap, young
laborers and Lou Proyet is a nefarious racist pig...Neither makes an even
remotely valuable contribution to this list indeed.
Steve
On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Gerald Levy wrote:
An intelligent discussion would begin by
I agree. I certainly find the BLS report more intersting than Jery's
posts. Steve
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Mathew Forstater wrote:
I appreciate the BLS report and if it is discontinued from PEN-L, would like
to arrange to receive it some other way. But it seems it should be easy
enough to
Lately I'm convinced the definition of Marxist on this list for some has
become, 'I like xx, therefore they are Marxist.'
Steve
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
No. IW does *not* endorse the Smithian view implied above. He is a marxist.
Mine
Brenner, if I recall, in his latest work actually includes quite a bit of
discussion of the impact of global integration and intensified global
competition in the international political economy...
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote:
I have heard Wallerstein speak very recently too,
Mine,
I'm hardly getting all bent out of shape about this question, why should I
relax?
Steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
Mine wrote:
fourth, I will appreciate if you do *not* contact me privately now or in
the
future.
enough!!
Mine, What are you talking about, contacting you privately? That post is
plainly addressed to PEN, cc'd to youwhy would I want to contact you
privately if I address the post to PEN?
This is exactly on the mark imho
Steve
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly
learned from Marx Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research.
(In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.)
FTR, I didn't write to her personally. Because my unix system confuses me
when I respond to messages from mass lists, sometimes I end up pressing
the wrong respond to selection and only get the individual the post was
sent from. So, I just add pen to the list. I frequently get inadvertently
cc'd
Mine wrote:
World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical Marxism in
5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism
Steve writes:
I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the AM
question actually...and of course Marxists like Brenner, Petras,..have
Friday, July 14, 2000
SCMP
Capitalists infiltrating party, article warns
JASPER BECKER
Too many private businessmen are joining the Communist Party, an article in the
party's monthly ideological magazine, Zhongliu, has warned.
In some coastal areas, half of the new members in small towns and
Henry wrote:
The importance of this development is that the youths of China have finally
rediscover the right path, unlike the misguided students in Tiananmen
Square in
1989.
This sounds like hyperbole to me. None of the Marxists I know in China in
their correspondences with me are seeing a
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoshie, you asked me a while ago how I planned to get support for
antiimperialism. I said, organize, agitate, join groups, propagandize, etc. I
belong to Solidarity, the NLG. I write acdemic papers. I engage in thsi sort
of discussion. I do
Here's an excellent source from Taiwan, the English web site.
www.coolloud.org
excellent job of flame provoking... steve
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Karl Carlile wrote:
Comrades,
While having a mug of coffee I thought to myself that much of what is
regarded as progressive feminism is essentially sexist and separatist.
It is quite common for many feminists to make general
On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
Today the state of Maryland executed Mr. Hunt, a black man, for killing a
white police officer some 12 years. This barbaric human sacrifice was
broadly televised, as "execution countdown" on local TV. At the same time,
The United States is
If they're allowed to work, unions should be allowed to unionize'em.
Steve
Clearly prisoners are being exploited as workers and this
diminishes the well-being of workers who aren't incarcerated. At
the same time, for some convicts the chance to work at some jobs,
even for a pittance,
Michael,
Michael is, in my book providing a valuable service in a responsible
fahion. For those who do not wish to look at his messages, it should take
no more than a milisecond to delete his messages. Surely there are more
important things to get worked up over than Michael's posting
On Sat, 1 Nov 1997, Gerald Levy wrote:
Yes, but Jerry you have to explain why you recommend that Doug
a) choose a liberal school that charges outrageous tution rates that most
working class students cannot afford instead of the Marxist School, which
is much cheaper and run by a group of
jerry,
On M-I and Pen-L you have singled out Doug for your bitter attacks.
I subscribe to these two lists and have not seen you attack anyone else
with such bitterness. As Michael Yates and James Devine have pointed out,
your criticisms are especially vitriolic, which this list is not
That's a great reply Bill. I'm so tired of all the anti-China hype. If
Suharto received half as much flack for human rights violations as China
did in the media I suppose i wouldn't be so tired of it...
Steve
On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Bill Burgess wrote:
I understand that most of the gap in the
Evils of tobacco? What next, evils of sex?
steve
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Sid Shniad wrote:
There's a terrific new web site focusing on the evils of tobacco:
The URL is http://www.tobaccofacts.org
Especially useful for teachers and other moulders of minds.
Sid Shniad
So, comrades, what is to be done?
World revolution, now! Of course. I know because I read Workers Vanguard.
Doug
Aw Doug,
First we need to have an internecine war between revisonists, mensheviks,
true trots and false trots*then* and only then can we have a world
revolution
Steve
Bill wrote:
In my response to Maggie Coleman's post of the NYT article about the
"slaughter of girl babies" in China I said the one-child policy was
reactionary, but that one-sided reports were no better. By one-sided
reports I meant those that ignored other plausible explanations for the
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 97-11-04 00:21:15 EST,[ several people have self
righteously said more or less the following]:
I understand that most of the gap in the number of girls as opposed to
boys in China is due to *under-reporting* of girls rather than
A series of letters written in response to the "Why Decry Wealth" article
published in the NYT two days ago:
January 26, 2000
When the Rich Get Even Richer
__
To the Editor:
W. Michael Cox and Richard Alm ask, "Why
See the interview here:
http://www.chinaonline.com/issues/wto/currentnews/secure/c00052556.asp
"Amid the cheers at China's quickening progress toward accession, Dr Han
Deqiang has sounded a lonely voice of opposition. In his book "Collision,"
Han highlights the negative impact of WTO on
For those who are interested, JCA is a leftie journal...Marty
Hart-Landsberg and I have published articles there, I think Bill Brugger
might have?
Steve
Some articles from volume 30 issue 1 of the Journal of Contemporary Asia:
Russel Smyth, "Asset Stripping in Chinese
Anyone on lbo or pen mind providing me with a good source on the chilean
social security system? thanks much in advance, steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Social Sciences Bldg. # 247
Honolulu, HI 96822
Subject: Researcher into laid-off workers in China investigated for
subversion
Monday, June 12 7:23 PM SGT
Researcher into laid-off workers in China investigated for subversion
BEIJING, June 12 (AFP) -
A man who conducted research into the massive number of workers being laid
off in
SCMP
Friday, May 26, 2000
PNTR VOTE
'Short-term pain, long-term gain'
WILLIAM KAZER in Shanghai
While Beijing has applauded its likely entry into the World Trade
Organisation (WTO), joining the global body could contribute to slower
economic growth, more job losses and a weaker trade
On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Eugene P. Coyle wrote:
Consumption is learned behavior. The desire for Coca Cola doesn't
spring unbidden from the innocent mind. And Coca Cola needs an
infrastructure. Refridgeration and ice. Coca Cola had a hard time getting
started in the UK because ice
Murky figures cloud China state sector reform
by Jeremy Page
FUSHUN, China, June 19 (Reuters) - After a wave of factory closures, mass
lay-offs and bankruptcies at state firms, officials in China's northeastern
province of Liaoning say they see light at the end of the economic tunnel.
But
Michael,
I just went to the CNN cite and I didn't see anything that mentioned his
bragging about the murder. In fact the article was pretty sympathetic with
the argument that had this guy had an even half way alive lawyer he would
have been acquitted, forget a good lawyer. What website were you
Thanks Yoshie. Yeah, i see where it mentions Graham's bragging, but it
isn't the author stating that, it's the victim of his rape stating that he
had bragged about it to her. The article seemed to give pretty fair play
to the supporters of a new trial.
The momentum around the death penalty
Actually, I was thinking of someone else, I'm mistaken in my
characterization of Chilcote. In addition to agreeing that Chilcote is a
fine progressive thinker, I might add that I think Jim Devine's a real
sharp thinker who makes very insightful use of Marx in his writing btw...
His web page is
What debate? I said I agree with you, RC is a fine progressive thinker. I
then added I think JD is also. I wasn't debating anything with you.
I would also add that trees are known to grow leaves.
Steve
Mine wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think that we should
The thing about you Mine, is you are just so SMART!
Steve
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes, it is interesting to follow the "orientation" of discussion
taking place in this list. The intellectual ranks of _Analytical Marxism_
include people like Cohen,
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