Re: What is the total wealth ?

2004-08-03 Thread Tom Walker
Wealth is liberty... it is disposable time and nothing more. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Housing bust...

2004-07-26 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, July 25, 2004 GRETCHEN MORGENSON Housing Bust: It Won't Be Pretty I don't know the web-page that this came from. New York Times Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: u/p labor

2004-07-24 Thread Tom Walker
distinction may make no sense in terms of neoclassical economics (though many NCs see government labor as unproductive), but it makes sense in terms of Marxian economics. U labor doesn't contribute to surplus-value, whereas P labor does. I don't know if the concept U/P is very useful, though. Tom

Re: SOCIAL MOBILITY

2004-07-19 Thread Tom Walker
Is it possible that some Republican delegate might hop in a pedicab this summer and pause to ruminate on an economy in which some are always pulled and more and more are always pulling? No. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: The End Of Management?

2004-07-14 Thread Tom Walker
I love it! Total Information Awareness meets ParEcon. Robin Hanson, may I introduce you to Robin Hahnel... Charles Brown wrote, TIME.com: The End Of Management? -- Jul. 12, 2004 http://www.time.com/time/insidebiz/article/0,9171,1101040712-660965,00.html Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: The End Of Management?

2004-07-14 Thread Tom Walker
: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg07948.html Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: The Chicago Smirk

2004-07-03 Thread Tom Walker
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Re: Sowell

2004-07-02 Thread Tom Walker
suffering the bureaucratic fools in itself redeems the suffering of the poor, regardless of any policy consequences? I only pray that if I ever see the light, it not be the glow of such thread-bare doctrinal kaka. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

the Lump redux

2004-06-29 Thread Tom Walker
. For more on this story see my MaxSpeak post at http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/000587.html Tom Walker 604 255 4812

...and take Bonzo with you!!

2004-06-08 Thread Tom Walker
Classic Steve Bell: http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1233866,00.html Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: More on Hubbert

2004-06-02 Thread Tom Walker
in London. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Hubbert's peak

2004-06-02 Thread Tom Walker
-- is the same as that of David Ricardo Thomas Malthus: long-term diminishing returns in the supplies of natural resources leads to increasing misery and/or conflict. Of course, as with Ricardo Malths, that ignores such matters as technical change (improvements in the efficiency of oil use, etc.) Tom

Re: Hubbert's peak

2004-06-02 Thread Tom Walker
Carrol Cox wrote, What needs to be debated is the views of those involved in the debate, not an antiquarian issue about some particular person not involved in the debate. Hear! Hear! Thank you for saying it, Carrol. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Mike Davis on Hubbert's Peak

2004-06-01 Thread Tom Walker
, it might also be feasible to boost oil production by blasting it out of the ground with low-yield nuclear devices. The contaminated crude might make us glow in the dark but at least we wouldn't run out. Tom Walker

Re: Mike Davis on Hubbert's Peak

2004-06-01 Thread Tom Walker
constructing a phrase out of separate words that Hubbert actually used? One needs to know what deep design lies behind such a peculiar and radically ungrammatical construction. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Is the American work ethic ruining our sex lives?

2004-05-28 Thread Tom Walker
does this have to do with sex? I'll answer that if someone can just explain to me what such time serving has to do with the work ethic. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Is the American work ethic ruining our sex lives?

2004-05-28 Thread Tom Walker
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Re: Background to Berg Beheading

2004-05-13 Thread Tom Walker
Ken Hanly wrote, Quite a bit of the stuff is speculation by conspiracy buffs The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. There is indeed speculation in the article Ken posted a link to and it is unfortunate

Re: Did Bush Sacrifice Nick Berg?

2004-05-12 Thread Tom Walker
federal court. Nicolaus Berg was not heard from again after April 9. Tom Walker

Re: imperalist booty

2004-05-07 Thread Tom Walker
. That would appear to be the stage of capitalism that we're currently in: the one in which, overall, the expansion of value needed to service the accumulation of capital requires the destruction of more wealth than it creates. Unless we can sort the three out, we're seriously fucked. Tom Walker 604 255

Re: imperalist booty

2004-05-07 Thread Tom Walker
: the Brandeis quote). Wealth on the other hand has to be painstakingly produced. Yes. But not necessarily by the expenditure of labour power. Again, see Grundrisse e.g., pp. 704-709. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: The new Iraqi Flag ( imperialist booty)

2004-05-06 Thread Tom Walker
that question encapsulates too many of the qualitative imponderables. But whoops, there I go making those moral judgements that the free market prohibits me from making. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: imperalist booty

2004-05-06 Thread Tom Walker
more dead labour, compounded, in the future. Doesn't matter if you appropriated it there then and here now. Joan Robinson quipped the only thing worse than having one's labour power exploited is not having one's labour power exploited. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Bush/Greenspan tax increase?

2004-04-01 Thread Tom Walker
. Social Security benefits are simply deferred wages. Therefore, the fewer SS benefits workers receive and the longer they have to work for those benefits, the more of their own hard-earned income the wealthy get to keep. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: utopianism

2004-03-31 Thread Tom Walker
to be filled up with the products of commercialized culture. Seen in that light, the superfluous *remains* a condition -- question of life or death -- for the necessary, whether under capitalism or any realizable alternative. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Working like dogs (was Job flight)

2004-03-30 Thread Tom Walker
model and the other being the allegedly fallacious assumption implicit in arguments for work-sharing. That, I'm afraid is what passes for the conventional wisdom in economics on the hours of labour. Tom Walker

Re: utopianism

2004-03-30 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, I see nothing wrong with utopian dreaming, as long as it's not seen as a matter of thinking up blueprints that _must_ be imposed. Just about everything I lay my hands on these days has the word Utopia in it. Chapman (1909): It occurred to me after a cursory examination of

Re: Job flight

2004-03-29 Thread Tom Walker
of labor, the encouragement of the shorter week by applying that principle in government service, Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Job flight contest $$ (was terrorism futures market)

2004-03-29 Thread Tom Walker
the past decade been the leading propagandist against the lump-of-labor fallacy, so they should be especially impressed when I begin my essay with the words: There is most definitely *not* a fixed amount of work to be done... Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: 'human capital

2004-03-21 Thread Tom Walker
Enquiry Concerning Political Justice, and its Influence on General Virtue and Happiness. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: What is this thing called love?

2004-03-14 Thread Tom Walker
passions give the maxim character and animate it, just as l'amant does for l'amour. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: What is this thing called love?

2004-03-14 Thread Tom Walker
Porter is prety cold-eyed about love, which was my point to Joanna. He's the fella that wrote Love For Sale, among others. Electric eels, I might add, do it Though it shocks 'em I know Why ask if shad do it Waiter, bring me shadroe Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: What is this thing called love?

2004-03-13 Thread Tom Walker
Joanna: Why not simply say that human relationships are bound by love. After all, contracts are always conditional, whereas love is not. Dans les premires passions les femmes aiment l'amant, et dans les autres elles aiment l'amour. -- Franois, duc de La Rochefoucauld Tom Walker 604 255

Rifkin Redux

2004-03-13 Thread Tom Walker
into part-time employment or given their pink slips. A shrinking workforce, however, means diminished income, reduced consumer demand, and an economy unable to grow. This is the new structural reality that government and business leaders and so many economists are reluctant to acknowledge. Tom

Re: Love Affair Update

2004-03-12 Thread Tom Walker
(New York, 1949) p. 19-20 Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Is Recovery Without Jobs Now the Norm?

2004-03-10 Thread Tom Walker
and, ultimately, the bursting of the housing bubble. The other paradox is that poor job growth is likely keeping the unemployment rate lower than it otherwise would be. A hiring boom would swell the labour force. Interesting times. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Friendly folks and U.S. taxpayers

2003-12-11 Thread Tom Walker
It's very simple. Our people risked their lives. Friendly coalition folks risked their lives, and therefore the contracting is going to reflect that, and that's what the U.S. taxpayers expect, Ui said. Vino vendibili hedera non opus est. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Friendly folks and U.S. taxpayers

2003-12-11 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman wrote, This stance is conclusive proof that gov't contracts are pork, not transactions at arms length. The gov't is not usually that open about its dealings. Yes, indeed. It's about the loot. There's also a formidible subtext here about the weapons of mass destruction. That

PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Tom Walker
Workin' on it. Tom Walker 604 255 4812 Ian wrote: [cue to the Sandwichman] [New York Times] October 7, 2003 Lumps of Labor By PAUL KRUGMAN

Re: PK on the lump of labor fallacy

2003-10-07 Thread Tom Walker
policy intervention were ruled 'out of bounds' simply because economists refuse to critically examine a trivial bit of textbook lore. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

TimeWork Web deleted

2003-09-14 Thread Tom Walker
It looks like vancouver community net has deleted timework web. I had requested that they terminate my email account there because it got too much spam. Apparently when they closed the email, they just deleted the entire timework user file including the web pages. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: affluenza?

2003-09-04 Thread Tom Walker
was apparently Charles Wentworth Dilke. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Showtime docudrama - DC 9/11: Time of Crisis

2003-09-01 Thread Tom Walker
/movies_product.cfm?titleid=119354 Only in America, you say? Pity. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: technical question: help, help, help

2003-08-31 Thread Tom Walker
virus emails from three addresses I recognized as pen-l subscribers. Apparently, some hacker or hacker-program has been forging pen-ler's addresses en mass. Fortunately, my work email address is unscathed. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

FT: Fun w/ pension accounting tricks

2003-08-17 Thread Tom Walker
generator goes right over there, next to the perpetual motion drive belt. Presumably it runs on electricity. Cheap, clean and reliable. And if it doesn't work, blame it on the weather. Who could have predicted it would get hotter? Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: futures market military intelligence (was Economists for sale. Make big bucks)

2003-07-29 Thread Tom Walker
because I won the $1,000 prize. Market analysis of potential events - Nanodot: http://nanodot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/28/0658256 PEN-L:1349] Economists for sale. Make big bucks: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/1995m11.b/msg00099.htm Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Tom Walker
You googled? But you didn't answer 2. and 3. Ian wrote: What, is Lieberman's staff lurking on Pen-L? Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: No Googling quiz

2003-07-18 Thread Tom Walker
of their government-conferred power. 1. Who said it? 2. What was the circumstances? 3. Which private companies was s/he referring to? Tom Walker 604 255 4812

No Googling quiz

2003-07-17 Thread Tom Walker
They are private companies, but the enormous scope of their influence comes largely as a result of their government-conferred power. 1. Who said it? 2. What was the circumstances? 3. Which private companies was s/he referring to? NO GOOGLING! Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: intellectuals as intellectual property

2003-06-25 Thread Tom Walker
] From: Nelson Lichtenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Walker 604 255 4812

The cog stripped bare by its bachelors, even

2003-06-24 Thread Tom Walker
1. Downloading the Future of TV Advertising In April 2003, Honda U.K. debuted an extraordinary two-minute television advertisement called 'Cog.'... 2. Apropos of 'Readymades' - Marcel Duchamp In 1913 I had the happy idea to fasten a bicycle wheel to a kitchen stool and watch it turn Tom

Re: Saving the advertising industry in a fractured media-verse? Biz 2.0

2003-06-24 Thread Tom Walker
IL FAUT QUE VOUS L'AYEZ VU et ENTENDU DEPUIS LONGTEMPS tas D'IDIOTS Tom Walker 604 255 4812

interesting quote

2003-06-24 Thread Tom Walker
-economists who have not mis-spent their youth in mastering the intricacies of modern utility theory.' Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Saving the advertising industry in a fractured media-verse? Biz 2.0

2003-06-23 Thread Tom Walker
of the Honda re-make. Interesting that the Biz 2.0 article fails to mention the Fischli and Weiss film. It's not as if the resemblance is a secret. For another take on The Way Things Go, here's an excerpt from Arthur Danto: http://www.postmedia.net/999/fischweiss1.htm Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Saving the advertising industry in a fractured media-verse? Biz 2.0

2003-06-23 Thread Tom Walker
Or, digging deeper into the ruins... Homage to New York 1960 http://www.artmuseum.net/w2vr/archives/Kluver/00_Homage.html I asked Jean what I could do for him. Jean explained that he wanted to make a machine that destroyed itself and that he needed bicycle wheels... ...It was all over in 27

Re: Saving the advertising industry in a fractured media-verse? Biz 2.0

2003-06-23 Thread Tom Walker
Carrol Cox wrote, This high and higher efforts that Danto speaks of, leading to chaos, must owe something to Laurel and Hardy as well. And of course Chaplin's Modern Times. In fact to much of the great slapstick, 1915-1940. Yes, also constructivism and dada. As Walter Benjamin wrote:

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Tom Walker
From each according to his need... I believe that Marx got it from Louis Blanc who adapted a slightly different notion from the St. Simonists. The basic idea is biblical. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Falsifiability and the law of value

2003-06-14 Thread Tom Walker
not to reject them without a patient and attentive examination. -- anonymous Post-Ricardian pamphleteer http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/remedy.htm Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Weber the 'Euroslackers'

2003-06-08 Thread Tom Walker
Outpaces Europe (Clue: The God Factor) By NIALL FERGUSON Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: American dream (phantasmagoria)

2003-04-03 Thread Tom Walker
of picking up the tab for the freebooters. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

re: American dream: time v. money

2003-04-02 Thread Tom Walker
preferred the latter. But given the choice between 4 weeks of vacation when the average was 8 week or 2 weeks when the average was 1 week, people chose the former. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: New Fisk Article

2003-04-01 Thread Tom Walker
of special 'fx' they could, at the very least produce the greatest spectacle ever. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Can't bomb Iraq and tell us to talk to Pak, India tells US

2003-03-26 Thread Tom Walker
spokesman Richard Boucher in Washington that violence will not solve Kashmir's problems. Dialogue remains a critical element in the normalization of relations between India and Pakistan. Chickens. Home. Roost. Duct tape is for dummies; stock up on piano wire. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Ledeen's feral nihilism

2003-03-26 Thread Tom Walker
Ledeen's September 13, 2001 NRO column Who Killed Barbara Olson the prose struck me as eerily, calculatedly overwrought. http://www.nationalreview.com/contributors/ledeen091301.shtml Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: From goofy dream to reality?

2003-03-25 Thread Tom Walker
suppose when the AEI endows a freedom chair, they have in might a certain kind of aesthetic freedom exemplified by the phrase, Fiat ars -- pereat mundus. Tom Walker

Re: Rumsfeld's written repentance

2003-03-12 Thread Tom Walker
. The way the U.S. media is stage managed these days, I would be skeptical about any message that gets out from the administration that isn't on message. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Sy Hersh on news

2003-03-12 Thread Tom Walker
And according to this story, Perle is threatening to sue Hersh for libel -- England where the libel laws put a severe onus of proof on the defendent http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMailType=text/htmlPath=NYS/2003/03/12ID=Ar00200 Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Bizarre Mandelson hall of mirrors

2003-03-10 Thread Tom Walker
on to obey the principles established by two-dimensional representational perspective. If Mandelson believes such extravagant cleverness, he is a fool. If he doesn't, he is a charlatan. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: UK nuclear evidence a fake

2003-03-08 Thread Tom Walker
Deception is not new but as Chris's 'post modern' suggests, there is something new about the deployment of deception here. My point of reference would be Enron: Enron, Enron. Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, etc.,etc.,etc. What I allude to is a political economy OF deceit, not simply a political economy

re: from god to gdp; from lump of Layard to leisure

2003-03-07 Thread Tom Walker
redistribute income towards the poor. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Go... Read... NOW! Rowley letter to FBI Director

2003-03-06 Thread Tom Walker
Rowley letter to FBI Director http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/3738192.html Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Federal Times

2003-03-05 Thread Tom Walker
POLL Do you think your agency has adequate oversight of its contractors? Yes 8 % (101) No 92 % (1,102) Total votes: 1203 http://federaltimes.com/index.php?showresults=true Tom Walker 604 255 4812

DiaMat redux.

2003-03-05 Thread Tom Walker
.htm Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Next

2003-03-03 Thread Tom Walker
the bankrupt to prosperity. The task of the anti-war movement will be to understand and explain why the war itself was not the sole cause of the hardships -- to pin the PNAC tail on the (emblematic) Enron donkey, so to speak. Keywords: Bankrupt, embezzlers, arsonists. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

IMF technical assistance advisor nabbed in Argentina

2003-02-17 Thread Tom Walker
itself from the arrest. Copyright 2003, Reuters News Service Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: British dossier sham

2003-02-07 Thread Tom Walker
Official Spokesman trying to brush it off as processology. But I wonder how is the U.S. media playing it (or not)? Are they, as I would fear, putting it on a back page and hoping it will go away? Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Tom Walker
be at the center. An auto worker with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of time. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: the alienation of labor

2003-02-06 Thread Tom Walker
The Picture of Dorian Gray. I'd better read it first, though, to be sure. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Oddly enough

2003-02-05 Thread Tom Walker
village in northern Spain that was used by Germany for bombing practice for more than three hours on April 27, 1937. The raid killed or wounded some 1,600 civilians and left the village in flames for three days. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

The Tragedy

2003-02-04 Thread Tom Walker
Shuttle Disaster Hurts Retail Sales Tue 10:07am ET - Reuters Nonstop television coverage of the space shuttle Columbia disaster on Saturday kept riveted consumers away from stores, hurting retail demand last week, according to a report released on Tuesday. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Imperial grief

2003-02-03 Thread Tom Walker
their money to wade back again. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Art notes from all over

2003-02-03 Thread Tom Walker
Negroponte, or Powell, talk about war surrounded with women, children and animals shouting with horror and showing the suffering of the bombings. This work is a reproduction of the Guernica that was donated by Nelson A. Rockefeller to the U.N. in 1985. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Shock and Awe: Guernica Revisited

2003-02-03 Thread Tom Walker
judgment as another ruthless leader who killed his own people in a mad bid for power. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Moron vows to persecute war criminals

2003-01-22 Thread Tom Walker
occupy the high levels of their government, my advice is, don't follow that order. Because if you choose to do so, when Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried and persecuted as a war criminal, said President Bush. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Artificial economic inefficiency

2003-01-17 Thread Tom Walker
. By building in the exclusive ink chip, the seller of the printer retains effectuve ownership of it. Bill Lear asked, I'm curious what the technical name for this sort of barrier to economic efficiency is. Has anyone ever cataloged this sort of thing? I'd be very interested if so ... Tom

Re: A feeling robot sensor for soldiers in the field

2003-01-02 Thread Tom Walker
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Re: The Economist considers Karl Marx

2002-12-20 Thread Tom Walker
Could it be that the Wall Street Journal and the Economist have been infiltrated by Onion satirists? Tom Walker

Re: Sodexho-Workers-Colleges

2002-12-07 Thread Tom Walker
Ahmet, I did a dossier on Sodexho for the B.C. Hospital Employees Union about 6 months ago. A copy of it is online at: http://www.cupe.ca/downloads/sodexho_profile.pdf Tom Walker 604 255 4812

a poem stolen from a NYT article about IKEA

2002-12-02 Thread Tom Walker
the nicked veneers and wobbly joints of Ikea regret self-assembled furniture requires retightening over time We sold screwdrivers like you can't believe. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: War and property tax

2002-11-19 Thread Tom Walker
So what ever happened to the old custom of the king personally leading the troops into battle? Tom Walker

Left sweeps to victory in Vancouver

2002-11-17 Thread Tom Walker
on the parks board, the school board, and city council. http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/17/vcr_elxn021117 Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-15 Thread Tom Walker
. Arthur manages to delude himself into believing that hawking culture as if it were furniture is somehow more 'respectible' than hawking furniture, but other than the delusion, the former comes off as a more profound humiliation than the former. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Tom Walker
. To the extent that political economy focuses on the latter and neglects the former, it is an exercise in mystification. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

RE: Aesopian Language on Maillists

2002-11-14 Thread Tom Walker
the death of Satan was a tragedy for the imagination -- Wallace Stevens Satan is NOT dead, 'e's just pinin' for the fjords. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: outsourcing the State

2002-11-14 Thread Tom Walker
of corruption. The Government Accounting Office has determined that public-private competition will save taxpayers 30 percent on each contract. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! And they charged poor Andy Fastow for pilfering the petty cash box! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Re: RE: Aesopian Language on Maillists

2002-11-14 Thread Tom Walker
Joanna Bujes wrote: well, wouldn't you be? Joanna At 05:50 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: the death of Satan was a tragedy for the imagination -- Wallace Stevens Satan is NOT dead, 'e's just pinin' for the fjords. Not really. I'm one hour away from 'em by bus,

Re: Negri explains the multitude

2002-11-13 Thread Tom Walker
marches on. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Re: Negri explains the multitude

2002-11-13 Thread Tom Walker
I wrote, ...shit happens, Doug. And time marches on. Doug Henwood replied, Oh, of course. Why didn't I think of that? Presumably because you have other fish to fry and a hard row to hoe. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Curious

2002-11-09 Thread Tom Walker
VNS Unable to Deliver Exit Polls ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox News Channel -- anticipating possible problems with exit polls -- each did last-minute telephone surveys to gauge voter attitudes. Fox conducted its survey in 10 states on Monday night and Tuesday and used some of those findings on the air.

RE: Frontiers of rational expectations

2002-11-08 Thread Tom Walker
What I want to know is: is there any money in a correct prediction and if there is, how does one collect if one is dead? Tom Walker 604 255 4812

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