Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-26 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:30 PM 4/25/01 -0700, you wrote: Einstein used to use royalty checks as bookmarks. He was not poor by any means. I understand that he was able to avoid poverty because others helped him deal with complications of everyday life that most of can deal with but he couldn't. This is a symptom

RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-26 Thread Tom Walker
This explains Microsoft documentation and 'help' files. I do hope though that Bill has the foresight to make provision in his will to follow in the footsteps of Jeremy Bentham. Alt-Ctrl-Del . . . Jim Devine wrote, BTW, Bill Gates is clearer: there was a story in TIME awhile back that described

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-26 Thread Marta Russell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our society tends to rank everyone along a single scale, things like IQ, but ultimately how much money one makes as income. (The use of IQ is justified by pointing to how well it allegedly predicts income.) But that kind of thing would doom people like my son,

Re: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Marta Russell
Too many people aren't working and I don't think the focus should be held to work. That is their line. Productionism/productivism is not my Utopia. Marta Charles Brown wrote: Even Bush forecasts economic downturn. Why not reknit the safety net ? War No. 2 on Poverty ? Lyndon Johnson

RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Max Sawicky
The public is willing, or at least more willing, to fight poverty with jobs that pay a living wage (or wages plus benefits), than it is with transfer payments according to income. A more immediate problem is that people think the war on poverty has been won due to welfare reform. max Even

RE: Re: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Max Sawicky
Mine neither. But there is zero political support these days for aid to those deemed capable of work, outside of employment. max Too many people aren't working and I don't think the focus should be held to work. That is their line. Productionism/productivism is not my Utopia. Marta

Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Jim Devine
Max wrote: A more immediate problem is that people think the war on poverty has been won due to welfare reform. so what's going to happen with welfare reform if there's a recession? the whole program seems predicated on perpetual prosperity. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Max Sawicky
Max wrote: A more immediate problem is that people think the war on poverty has been won due to welfare reform. so what's going to happen with welfare reform if there's a recession? the whole program seems predicated on perpetual prosperity. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Marta Russell
The issue of disability poverty is rarely raised in these discussions on poverty and employment. Over 70% of disabled persons say they would like to have a job, yet our unemployment rate is astronomical - about two thirds of working age disabled persons age 16 to 64 are without employment. this

Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread michael perelman
Marta's note about disability and poverty makes me think about David's question about the economy. Tim's Chico Examiner just published a wonderful article about a young man died. He was a physical disaster. Doctors recommended that his parents just let him die, time and time again. Yet he

Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Joel Blau
After 2002, when the five year limit expires, it could easily--with a recession-- be 1932 again. There will be a surge in the homeless population, and some of the strictures on welfare will be loosened when the rest of the population trips ever more often over homeless people. For the moment,

Re: Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Marta Russell
Those people who provided services for him had a job because of his need and hopefully were well paid -- so though I dislike commodifying disability which home care corporations and other disability based business' do, there is a need that gets met by both a worker and the disabled person. We

Re: Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread jdevine
Michael Perelman writes: Marta's note about disability and poverty makes me think about David's question about the economy. Tim's Chico Examiner just published a wonderful article about a young man [who] died. He was a physical disaster. Doctors recommended that his parents just let him die,

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-25 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: [PEN-L:10810] Re: Re: Re: RE: It's a Jungle In Here Michael Perelman writes: Marta's note about disability and poverty makes me think about David's question about

Re: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-19 Thread Charles Brown
Make what do you think of the slogan: Bring back welfare ! ( It's a jungle out there for some ) Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/01 11:23AM I have resubbed to this list, but with great tr

RE: Re: It's a Jungle In Here

2001-04-19 Thread Max Sawicky
Right now it's hopeless. I prefer "Make work pay!" Work-conditioned benefits, and gigunda refundable tax credits. max Make what do you think of the slogan: Bring back welfare ! ( It's a jungle out there for some ) Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/01 11:23AM I have resubbed to this