Re: Re: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-19 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: (2) what happens if in running deficits, the US sucks up global capital, raises interest rates, and visits catastrophe on poorer nations? is this possible? You're assuming that deficits drive up interest rates. There's no simple relation between deficits and interest

Re: RE: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-19 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
The argument that deficits cause high interest rates is also theoretically and empirically questionable. More often the causation goes the other way--high interest rates mean higher interest payments on the public debt which cet par mean larger deficits. Mat, good point indeed. The impact

RE: Re: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Devine, James
(2) what happens if in running deficits, the US sucks up global capital, raises interest rates, and visits catastrophe on poorer nations? is this possible? Doug answers: You're assuming that deficits drive up interest rates. There's no simple relation between deficits and interest

RE: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Devine, James
Michael Perelman writes:In my new book, The Pathology of the U.S. Economy Revisited, I tried to make the case that this success rested, in part, on prior conditions: a new capital stock coming out of the Great Depression and World War II, the destruction of competing economies, and a very

Re: Re: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Also, interest rates are a very, very weak determinant of investment. On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:02:21PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: Rakesh Bhandari wrote: (2) what happens if in running deficits, the US sucks up global capital, raises interest rates, and visits catastrophe on poorer

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Similar to Brenner in many ways, yes. We both worked on the transition to capitalism about the same time. Several people pointed out the similarity between his New Left Review piece and my own work. When I saw it, my first thought was plagiarism. I asked about it and he explained the pathway

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread christian11
Michael wrote: Also, interest rates are a very, very weak determinant of investment. Are you speaking generally? If so, do you know of any good empirical stuff that supports this? Christian

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I have to run, but Robert Chirinko and Robert Eisner have done work on this. bye. On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:56:20PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael wrote: Also, interest rates are a very, very weak determinant of investment. Are you speaking generally? If so, do you know of any

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Carrol Cox wrote: If you don't hit it, it won't fall. Mao. I rather suspect that capitalism can be depended on periodically to tear itself apart -- but it can also be depended on to put itself back together Yup. As happened in Mao's own country over the last 20

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Christian, Michael wrote: Also, interest rates are a very, very weak determinant of investment. Are you speaking generally? If so, do you know of any good empirical stuff that supports this? Reckon pen-l has hit a very rich vein of late - gratitude to all. Anyway, if memory

Re: RE: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-18 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Running Dog And Carrol, it is Tienamen. I may be off on my spelling but, I'm closer, I betcha! Cf. The Tienamen Papers, edited by Andrew Nathan. Michael Running Dog Pugliese, Woof, Woof! It was always rendered Tianenman here at the time. I still remember those poor young folk

Re: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-17 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: [PEN-L:21571] Re: Re: Re: reform and rev Ian, Marx posited that capitalism would work that way for a while, but that the contradictions would accumulate

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-17 Thread michael perelman
As Jim D. mentioned, Marx's private predictions were not particularly accurate -- they included a large dollop of hope. Marxists generally study Marx for his method, not for his predictions. Ian Murray wrote: Ok, but how are his claims any different from the predictions of other

Re: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: Ian, Marx posited that capitalism would work that way for a while, but that the contradictions would accumulate and then , but then, it has not yet happened, except in the USSR, China ... If you don't hit it, it won't fall. Mao. I rather suspect that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Regarding what Carrol wrote, Russell Jacoby wrote about how the German social democrats embraced crisis theory because it offered the comforting idea that they did not have to do anything -- the economy would fall on its own. On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:43:58PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:

Re: Re: Re: Re: reform and rev

2002-01-17 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
michael writes: I believe that the slaughtering of captial values gives capital a lot more room to maneuver than a Keynesian solution -- which I regard as a temporary fix -- although I am not convinced that the ultimate problem is deficit financing. I don't think the ultimate problem is