RE: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-10 Thread Max B. Sawicky
You "gather"? In truth you haven't a clue as to either what our "policies" are or how they are "determined". Our relation to the 'bigwigs' is similar to yours with dead Trotskyists. We are motivated by their interests, and we try to avoid offending them. To take the infamous example of trade,

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-10 Thread Brad De Long
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. Here's a precious snippet from this nitwit (Steve Rosenthal) from a couple

Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread md7148
On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: the socio-biological claim that people differ because they differ genetically is called RACISM, which is what Wilson does eventually. This is the crux of the matter. If one supposes that culture is determined by genes, then one is left explaining

RE: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. Here's a precious snippet from this nitwit (Steve Rosenthal) from a couple of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-04-09 00:04:25 EDT, you write: the socio-biological claim that people differ because they differ genetically is called RACISM, No it's not. It would be racist (and genetically illiterate, for the most part) to say that some groups of people are inferior to another

Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Louis Proyect
. . . This line of attack against the Clintonites is being led by Dick Gephardt and the business and big labor forces behind him. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI), whose funding comes from the Rockefeller Foundation, C.S. Mott (GM), Russell Sage (Cabot gas and banking money), sets forth

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Mathew Forstater
ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 09, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: [PEN-L:17872] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd) In a message dated 00-04-09 00:04:25 EDT, you write: the socio-biological claim that people differ beca

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2000-04-09 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-04-09 12:38:32 EDT, you write: the sentence that includes the categories "Black people" and "whites" uncritically assumes that these term themselves are unproblematic with regard to the very issues the sentence is discussing. which individuals end up in the "Black"

Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread md7148
This is the heart of the matter; very clear and to the point! Andrew Wayne Austin wrote: I do not believe sociobiology can be progressive. It is inherently reactionary, no matter what spin its advocates put to it. And even if we could put politics aside (in some theoretical world) it is

Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Doyle Saylor
Title: Re: genome news (fwd) Greetings Economists, JKS writes in reply to Mines, JKS, No it's not. It would be racist (and genetically illiterate, for the most part) to say that some groups of people are inferior to another because of their genes, but it is not racist to say, for example

RE: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread md7148
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. Here's a precious snippet from this nitwit (Steve Rosenthal) from a couple

RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Max B. Sawicky
MD: . . . What I understand is that Economic Policy Institute may have a finger in socio-biological research . . . We don't do sociology we don't do biology. I would wager that the word 'socio-biology' does not appear in one EPI publication. I don't even know what it means, but if you don't

Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread md7148
version of right wing and neo-liberalism, which approves my claim that socio-biology is inherently a reactionary science. Mine -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:02:54 -0700 From: Doyle Saylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Rod Hay
inherently a reactionary science. Mine -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:02:54 -0700 From: Doyle Saylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:17884] Re: genome news (fwd) Greetings Economists, JKS writes in reply

Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread md7148
Mine. You still haven't answered Brad's point. S.R. either tells a deliberate lie or he doesn't know what he is talking about. Wilson did not "remake himself" okey!!! Whoever calls Steven Rosenthal a "lier" either does not have any slightest notion of who Steven Rosenthal is or has not digested

Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-09 Thread Michael Perelman
We're at an impasse here. Rosenthal is not here. Nor is Wilson. I wonder however about how many people today would change their ideas just because somebody remains unnamed showed that their ideas supported capitalism. Perhaps the majority of academics would wear the defense of capitalism as a

Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread md7148
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. moreover, it is a serious critique of socio-biological assumptions about

Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Brad De Long
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology. Steve wrote: Because of these sharp critiques, Wilson reinvented himself

Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Steve wrote: Because of these sharp critiques, Wilson reinvented himself as an environmentalist concerned about bio-diversity. Brad replied: If it is an excellent piece of Marxian sociology, why does it make false claims about Wilson's intellectual development? Either Steve

Of Steve Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-08 Thread Stephen E Philion
For the record, the Steve referred to below is Steve Rosenthal, not me... Steve (The "PEN Steve") Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: Steve wrote:

never ending debate:Re: Re: genome news (fwd)

2000-04-07 Thread md7148
But if we can get away from genetic determinism, there does not seem to to be anything wrong studying the genome. Jim Devine. It depends. genetics is a higly political issue, and I would add, biology can not be seperated from ideology. If we once start studying the genome, then we have to