re: enron and the rate of profit

2002-01-27 Thread Tom Walker



Empirical confirmation for this proposition comes 
from the revisions to productivity and labor income that came out last August. 
The accounting dodge that permitted companies to nottake a charge against 
revenues foremployee stock options effectively overstated their 
profitability and watered their equity shares. It might be useful to think of 
the defeat of labor, decreased regulation and fraud as a progression along a 
consistent trajectory. That trajectory has a lot to do with the class bias of 
accounting, which is first of all intensified in the cult of the bottom 
line.

Chris Burford's comments about accounting are 
relevant here. I would also draw attention to an article some nine years ago in 
the Journal of Economic Issues by Donald Stabile on "Accountants and the Price 
System: the Problem of Social Costs". The founding myth of accounting is the 
boundary drawn between the firm and its social and environmental externalities. 
I would say that it is a productive myth so long as it is highly qualified by 
acknowledgements that it is only a convention.Collective bargaining, 
regulation and progressive taxation were waysof qualifying and containing 
theenterprise myth.The cult of the bottom line, 
however,convertswhat was a convention into an eternal Truth, which 
is where the fiction turns to fraud.

Michael Perelman wrote

I have been proposing the idea that the profit rate 
has been artificallyhigh for some time. I had mostly thought in terms 
of decreased regulationand the defeat of labor. Enron and the dot.com 
bubble makes me think morein terms of fraud. Any thoughts on 
this?


Tom Walker


Re: enron and the rate of profit

2002-01-27 Thread Trevor Evans

Yesterday's FT (26/27.1.02) had an article which touched on this. It claims
that the rules on reporting profits will be tightened up as a result of the
Enron case, and that this will result in lower reported profits in the
future. It also reports that Standard and Poors is pushing for the adoption
of a new category of 'operating earnings', which would include charges for
the cost of share options. It cites an estimate that including the cost of
corporate earnings would reduce coportate profits by 17%.

Trevor Evans
Berlin

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 I have been proposing the idea that the profit rate has been artifically
 high for some time.  I had mostly thought in terms of decreased regulation
 and the defeat of labor.  Enron and the dot.com bubble makes me think more
 in terms of fraud.  Any thoughts on this?
  --
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929

 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]





re: enron and the rate of profit

2002-01-27 Thread Devine, James

 
Michael Perelman writes:I have been proposing the idea that the profit
rate has been artifically high for some time.  I had mostly thought in
terms of decreased regulation and the defeat of labor.  Enron and the
dot.com bubble makes me think more in terms of fraud.  Any thoughts on
this?

it seems to me that it's quite possible that the measured rate of profit
has been high due to accounting tricks and the like. But there are
limits to how high the measured rate of profit can be relative to the
very-hard-to-measure actual rate of profit. A lot of the fraud benefits
one group of capitalists (Enron, dot.conners) at the expense of others,
and so doesn't affect the aggregate average rate of profit, which
reflects the state of class relations (determining the actual mass of
profit, the numerator) and the amount of fixed capital that exists (the
denominator). 

Of course, a lot of the fraud is against the working class and would
raise the mass of profit. But (1) that doesn't mean it's not real
profits and (2) there are limits here, too, since usual measures of
compensation of employees involve _actual_ payments, not promises
(pension funds, etc.) 

BTW, I don't understand how fictitious capital affects calculations of
the rate of profit such as the one by the BEA that Fred and I are
discussing. 

-- Jim




Re: enron and the rate of profit

2002-01-27 Thread Tom Walker




Would you agree that those limits are at least a 
contributing factor to the bursting of bubbles and the unravelling of 
Enrons?


Jim Devine wrote,

  it seems to me that it's quite possible that the 
  measured rate of profithas been high due to accounting tricks and the 
  like. But there arelimits to how high the measured rate of profit can be 
  relative to thevery-hard-to-measure actual rate of 
profit.


enron and the rate of profit

2002-01-26 Thread Michael Perelman

I have been proposing the idea that the profit rate has been artifically
high for some time.  I had mostly thought in terms of decreased regulation
and the defeat of labor.  Enron and the dot.com bubble makes me think more
in terms of fraud.  Any thoughts on this?
 -- 
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]