Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Louis Proyect
That doesn't make him a bad guy, does it? (especially if the decline is primarily above the median). --ravi Volcker is a very bad guy. In fact, anybody who has ever run the Federal Reserve is a skunk. ___ pen-l mailing list

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, On Oct 22, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: Key among the good guys is former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, Doyle; Volcker engineered the recession of that first Reagan period. Nasty customer indeed. Not a good guy. thanks, Doyle Saylor

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread ravi
On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: That doesn't make him a bad guy, does it? (especially if the decline is primarily above the median). Volcker is a very bad guy. Yes, absolutely. No disagreement on that. But if he says that one should expect a decline in American

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread raghu
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:30 AM, ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, absolutely. No disagreement on that. But if he says that one should expect a decline in American standards of living, that may be (pending finer scrutiny) one of the better things he has said/done. We (the list) have argued

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Doug Henwood
I'm touched by the generous interpretations of Paul Volcker's remark, but his point was to impose austerity on the working class. He was the commander of a class war from above. And if the right paid attention to PEN-L and weren't already on the ropes, they might be able to make some hay

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Louis Proyect
Fair enough but I am not inclined to say the guy is pure evil and every word of his should always be interpreted with the utmost cynicism. Maybe if you can provide the context in which he made the remark, we may be able to evaluate it better. -raghu. Jimmy Carter's Economy: Policy in an Age of

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread raghu
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jimmy Carter's Economy: Policy in an Age of Limits | Book Reviews Published by EH.Net (January 2004) Thanks. I looked on Google and it seems that his actual quote was the standard of living of the average American has to

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread ravi
On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:38 PM, ravi wrote: Sometimes, when your opponent gives you the phrases you need, it is wise to use them. And sometimes you should acknowledge that those phrases are embedded in a worldview hostile to your own. And

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Jim Devine
Doug Henwood wrote: I'm touched by the generous interpretations of Paul Volcker's remark, but his point was to impose austerity on the working class. He was the commander of a class war from above. ... Right. Volcker didn't want to hurt the incomes of the super-rich. He wanted to raise them. He

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Jim Devine
Doug's LBO excesses? On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM, raghu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No-one says that Volcker is pure evil. I don't get this practice of arguing against proposition X by saying that X isn't _completely true_

Re: [Pen-l] The battle for Obama's economic soul

2008-10-22 Thread Sandwichman
Volcker even sounds like a cross between vulgar and vulcan. Scary. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM, raghu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No-one says that Volcker is pure evil. I don't get this practice of arguing against