Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Jim Devine wrote: The only thing that's adding relevance to the 7+ dwarfs nipping at the heels of the NC Snow White is that the latter has been locking in its ideological hegemony. This is especially true of the Chicago school variant of NC econ. This deepening hegemony is likely a result of

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Julio wrote: From the inside, things don't look the way you describe *at all*. If there has been any ideological shift to register in the last decade, it's been precisely one in the opposite direction. And this is not surprising given the persistence of poverty and inequality in the globe, the

Re: [PEN-L] PEN-L Digest - 30 May 2007 to 31 May 2007 (#2007-154)

RE: Jim's comments on Gintis: The institutionalist approach (of which Marxian political economy is a type) does transcend that methodological individualism. It says that not only do people make the world (including its institutions), but those institutions substantially make the people, i.e.,

[PEN-L] Sign of the times

Last night I was returning from a poetry reading on the far west side of Manhattan when I noticed a big blinking sign on a detached trailer at the corner of 10th avenue and 27th street. It was the standard sign you see on highways with messages like Road construction ahead--all traffic must bear

[PEN-L] From the producer of the excellent Amu

(This is the film about the slaughter of the Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination.) Friends, AMU enters week 2 in NYC. Thank you for your support. It had an excellent week - but the word of mouth is yet to fully pick up. Please spread the word ... tell all your friends (who haven't seen

Re: [PEN-L] Sign of the times

On Jun 1, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: Last night I was returning from a poetry reading on the far west side of Manhattan when I noticed a big blinking sign on a detached trailer at the corner of 10th avenue and 27th street. It was the standard sign you see on highways with messages

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Marvin Gandall wrote: Julio wrote: From the inside, things don't look the way you describe *at all*. If there has been any ideological shift to register in the last decade, it's been precisely one in the opposite direction. And this is not surprising given the persistence of poverty

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Julio Huato wrote: At this stage, without serious research on the matter, it will be your opinion against mine. But my personal impression of professional fads (AEA), top grad school tendencies (curricula, courses, teaching), and broader hiring practices in academia is that the so-called

[PEN-L] I am the president!

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-geyer_31edi.ART.State.Edition1.4370227.html# OPINION Georgie Anne Geyer: A spreading terror 11:44 AM CDT on Thursday, May 31, 2007 (clip) The White House sees terrorists as born, not created by history, bearing the

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Ted Winslow wrote: Alternatives to the ontological and anthropological foundations of NC econ are not even recognized let alone given space to bloom. Thus Marx and Keynes, whose political economy belongs to a tradition in thought embodying the most important of these alternatives (for which

[PEN-L] Big Carbon

from USA TODAY, June 1, 2007 (http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20070601/a_emitgraf01.art.htm) Greenhouse gas leaders In 2004, more than 27 billion tons of carbon dioxide was emitted into the atmosphere. Countries releasing the most: USA 22% China 17% Russia 6% Japan 5% India

[PEN-L] Josh Frank responds to Alexander Cockburn

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=57ItemID=12961 The Problem with the Global Warming Skeptics by Joshua Frank June 01, 2007 Alexander Cockburn has been making waves with his recent series on global warming, which has been published in The Nation and online at

[PEN-L] Big Carbon (II)

from http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-sci-nasa1jun01,1,1451338.story?coll=la-news-a_section NASA chief not worried about global warming Michael D. Griffin says he's not sure that climate change is a 'problem we must wrestle with.' By Alan Zarembo, L.A. Times Staff Writer

[PEN-L] query: OTS capitalism

does anyone know where the US Treasury's Office of Thrift Supervision defined the word capitalism? As I understand it, the definition was suppressed (even though it was hardly controversial), but it should exist somewhere out there in the web. -- Jim Devine / Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Julio Huato wrote: Nobody is going to give space to anything to bloom. That's not how things work. Hitherto, written history is the history of class struggle, conflict, competition, etc. That means that if a good doctrine or a good idea is to become a material force, inform life, etc., then

[PEN-L] waiting to inhale

from the NYT: (THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, June 1, 2007) The National Research Council said it had found traces of cocaine and marijuana in the air of Rome. It said it made the discovery during a study of toxic substances in the air of Rome and the southern city of Taranto, as well as in Algiers.

Re: [PEN-L] waiting to inhale

On Jun 1, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Jim Devine wrote: from the NYT: (THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, June 1, 2007) The National Research Council said it had found ... marijuana in the air of Rome. Must be why Extreme Unction is so mellow.

[PEN-L] Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank

Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank Hotlist by Robert Naiman Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 09:43:04 AM PDT http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/1/123630/4493 (with poll) It is my great pleasure to be able to announce the candidacy of Muhammad Yunus to succeed Paul Wolfowitz as

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Carrol wrote: Too many leftists are flocking to a once-in-a-lifetime sale of 10 pairs (of rose-tinted glasses) for the price of one. Julio replied: Right, leftists who don't fall for that, are holier than us. Marv can speak for himself. But I don't think that by forwarding that note he

[PEN-L] A blog entry on the transition debate

http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/ This is just an announcement, not an invitation to debate this on PEN-L. If anybody has anything to say about it, I invite you to comment on my blog--not here in deference to Michael.

[PEN-L] Herbert Gintis: Review of Fullbrook's book

[ From Gintis' web site: http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gintis/ ] Review of Edward Fullbrook, A Guide to What's Wrong with Economics By Herbert Gintis In June 2000, several Parisian economics students circulated a petition calling for the reform of their economics curriculum. Their complaint

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote: I don't believe Carrol understands that ruling classes have made concessions throughout history in order to preempt the development of economic and social crises Prevent? Or deal with those already underway? In the U.S., the reforms, such as

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Ted Winslow wrote: Unconsciously anchored delusional thinking can't be corrected simply by pointing out that it's delusional. Go ahead. Try and psychoanalyze the economists without their consent. As far as I'm concerned (given my job), I am mostly concerned with the newer generations,

[PEN-L] another query: free trade heresies

Besides Alan Blinder (who recently highlighted the costs of free trade), there have been other respected economists who have doubted the veracity of the free trade über alles religion and have been twacked as a result. What are their names? (Maybe it's only one guy.) -- Jim Devine / Segui il

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

I'm not in academia because I grappled with micro economics and was unwilling, though able, to teach the required subject matter. I taught a micro that was dynamic, bounced off Sraffa and all that, learned from Kay Hunt and others. That was and I suppose still is unacceptable. It is not

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Julio Huato wrote: Go ahead. Try and psychoanalyze the economists without their consent. As far as I'm concerned (given my job), I am mostly concerned with the newer generations, students of economics, colleagues, etc. But, whatever, I am not saying that economists (or humans beings, in

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

moi: The only thing that's adding relevance to the 7+ dwarfs nipping at the heels of the NC Snow White is that the latter has been locking in its ideological hegemony. This is especially true of the Chicago school variant of NC econ. This deepening hegemony is likely a result of the

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Doug Henwood wrote: On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote: I don't believe Carrol understands that ruling classes have made concessions throughout history in order to preempt the development of economic and social crises Prevent? Or deal with those already underway? In the

[PEN-L] Gintis GT [was: PEN-L Digest - 30 May 2007...7]

me: The institutionalist approach (of which Marxian political economy is a type) does transcend that methodological individualism. It says that not only do people make the world (including its institutions), but those institutions substantially make the people, i.e., their tastes, social values,

Re: [PEN-L] Gintis GT [was: PEN-L Digest - 30 May 2007...7]

Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins with a contribution to the end of political economy. -Original Message- From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 1, 2007 4:17 PM

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

Perhaps this is a really naive question, since I have absolutely no connection to academia and last took an econ course in the mid-1980s, but isn't the dominance of neoclassical thinking in economics departments partially explainable by the fact that those who disagree with the underlying

[PEN-L] Indian PM warns against vulgar display of wealth by the rich

Indian PM Manmohan Singh has started a debate over inequality in India in a surprising speech last week. Especially surprising for the Oxford educated economist Dr. Singh who is the architect of India's liberalization. Also interestingly he quoted Keynes from Economic Consequences of the Peace,

Re: [PEN-L] another query: free trade heresies

Paul Samuelson,sort of -- in his journal of economic perspectives. I believe Business Week discussed the article, but it did not make as much of a stir as Blinder. Had Blinder been an obscure economist, he would have been ok. Had he written his piece in Econometrica [which would never

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

On 6/1/07, David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't a neoclassical sociologist have the same complaints about sociology departments and journals and you all do about economics departments and journals? David Shemano Unlikely. From my outsider's perspective from an engineering

Re: [PEN-L] Indian PM warns against vulgar display of wealth by the rich

why can't the rich simply _hide_ their wealth from the broader public, as so many of them do in the US? so they can get their cake (wealth) and eat it (maintain legitimacy) too. On 6/1/07, raghu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indian PM Manmohan Singh has started a debate over inequality in India in a

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

On 6/1/07, David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this is a really naive question, since I have absolutely no connection to academia and last took an econ course in the mid-1980s, but isn't the dominance of neoclassical thinking in economics departments partially explainable by the

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

In a sense, that is my impression of what happens. The best undergrads are not able to stomach the incompatability of the material with the world they know. So they switch to anthropology, sociology, pre law, etc. So there is a selection process on the part of the individual. There is

Re: [PEN-L] Herbert Gintis: Review of Fullbrook's book

What are the grounds upon which Gintis rejects Marxism or other heterodox alternatives? His article is brimming over with ad hominem arguments or what he surely intends as such. If an economics is based upon philosophy why should that invalidate it. And what economics is based on philosophy? NC

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

- Original Message - From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis Doug Henwood wrote: On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote: I don't believe Carrol understands that ruling

[PEN-L] Oxf Rev Econ Policy Table of Contents for The Solow Growth Model: Spring 2007; Vol. 23, No. 1 (fwd)

FYI Anthony P. D'Costa, Professor Comparative International Development University of Washington 1900 Commerce Street Tacoma, WA 98402, USA Phone: (253) 692-4462 Fax : (253) 692-5718 http://tinyurl.com/yhjzrm

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

An odd criticism. In the mid 1970's Gintis wrote some well known papers on the implications of endogenous preferences i.e. preferences which are not given but caused by the economic system. He always mentions how his more recent work is an extension of this. Bowles's Microeconomics has lots of

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

what does he say about preference formation?? On 6/1/07, Walt Byars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd criticism. In the mid 1970's Gintis wrote some well known papers on the implications of endogenous preferences i.e. preferences which are not given but caused by the economic system. He always

Re: [PEN-L] Indian PM warns against vulgar display of wealth by the rich

On 6/1/07, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why can't the rich simply _hide_ their wealth from the broader public, as so many of them do in the US? so they can get their cake (wealth) and eat it (maintain legitimacy) too. That seems to be Singh's advice to the rich. But what is the reason

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

michael a. lebowitz wrote: At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins with a contribution to the end of political economy. says who?

[PEN-L] Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank

Robert Naiman wrote: Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank Hotlist by Robert Naiman Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 09:43:04 AM PDT http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/1/123630/4493 (with poll) No thanks, comrade Robert... International Journal of Health Services

[PEN-L] Robert Frank on Teaching Economics

This is very interesting http://insidehighered.com/news/2007/06/01/frank -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu michaelperelman.wordpress.com

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

At 20:45 01/06/2007, carrol wrote: michael a. lebowitz wrote: At 16:21 01/06/2007, sartesian wrote: Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins with a contribution to the end

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

He was writing that stuff in the late sixties as well. I have a wonderful piece of his in mimeo that he passed around in a study group in Cambridge, must have been '67 ot '68. Gene Coyle On Jun 1, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Walt Byars wrote: An odd criticism. In the mid 1970's Gintis wrote some well

Re: [PEN-L] critique of Gintis

I've always felt that Robin Hahnel took the best of all that in his fine 'Quiet Revolution in Welfare Economics'. michael At 21:59 01/06/2007, you wrote: He was writing that stuff in the late sixties as well. I have a wonderful piece of his in mimeo that he passed around in a study

[PEN-L] Schooling In Capitalist America or What Happened to Bowles and Gintis

I remember ages ago reading a book: Schooling in Capitalist America by Sam Bowles and Gintis. I found it very interesting. The work certainly seemed to have a generally Marxist framework showing the relationship between education and class. Whatever happened to Gintis. Now he seems anti-Marxist.

Re: [PEN-L] Schooling In Capitalist America or What Happened to Bowles and Gintis

On Friday, June 1, 2007 at 19:19:52 (-0700) ken hanly writes: I remember ages ago reading a book: Schooling in Capitalist America by Sam Bowles and Gintis. I found it very interesting. The work certainly seemed to have a generally Marxist framework showing the relationship between education and

[PEN-L] Reading list

Hello gentleman (and ladies) I am a student who is interested in reading and learing about economics from a (more or less) Marxist perspective. I wonder if anyone might have compiled a small introductory reading list or recommended starting point. I'm afraid too much of this list flys right

Re: [PEN-L] Reading list

On Friday, June 1, 2007 at 19:24:14 (-0700) steve houston writes: Hello gentleman (and ladies) I am a student who is interested in reading and learing about economics from a (more or less) Marxist perspective. I wonder if anyone might have compiled a small introductory reading list or

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

Carroll wrote: Just a point, and I don't think it's minor or just semantic. There is no Marxian political economy. There is no Marxist political economy. Marxism begins with a contribution to the end of political economy. says who? Well, I suppose one could answer, Karl Marx, on

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

Says Marx. In everything he writes he attacks political economy, exposing its class function. He is quite clear on what political economy is-- an ideological function, a necessary obscuring of the actual social relation of production that forms capital. He does not offer a Marxist political

Re: [PEN-L] dicta

For a dialectician, for Marx, extraction of the real content requires the overthrow of the alienated form. Political economy is precisely the alienated form. - Original Message - From: Shane Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:08 PM Subject:

Re: [PEN-L] Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank

Could I have the paper please Patrick? I've been suspicious of Yunus for a long time, ever since that great Heather Boushey article in Left Business Observer. I notice that these days most Microcredit loans are for amounts around $500-1000, which really isn't a micro credit at all. best dd PS:

Re: [PEN-L] Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank

On 1 Jun, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Daniel Davies wrote: PS: sorry Michael, I am presumably being an idiot again but I really couldn't see Patrick's email address. It's: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is this: -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick

Re: [PEN-L] Announcing Muhammad Yunus' Candidacy to Head the World Bank

The below was intended to be off-list. Apologies, --ravi On 2 Jun, 2007, at 12:35 AM, ravi wrote: On 1 Jun, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Daniel Davies wrote: PS: sorry Michael, I am presumably being an idiot again but I really couldn't see Patrick's email address. It's: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEN-L] Big Carbon

Jim Devine wrote: from USA TODAY, June 1, 2007 (http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20070601/a_emitgraf01.art.htm) USA 22% South Africa 2% Hey Jim, if you redo these ratios according to per capita economic carbon intensity, SA comes out twenty times worse than the US. A new book