Carrol decleared: Total mishmash
So I'll shutup.
Shane Mage wrote: Marx makes it quite clear that the wages of
socially necessary but unproductive labor are paid out of [the
circulating portion of] constant capital. While to the individual
capitalist they appear to be a deduction from surplus value, to the
capitalist system as a whole they are
http://www.zcommunications.org/zvideo/2484
People should be more respectful here. You can disagree, but there is no need
to
reprimand others for their ideas.
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On Jan 28, 2008 2:08 AM, Simon Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carrol decleared: Total mishmash
So I'll shutup.
Ignore him... He'll go away.
guards and dealers definitely produce use-values; otherwise no-one
would pay them. But, at least in Marxian political economy, they do
not produce surplus-value. The guard simply preserves property rights,
while the cashier transfers them. The worker who produces
surplus-value -- who might be a
What is the Marxist take on this new economy? Do most of the service
sector jobs fall in the category of unproductive labor? After all
security guards and cashiers do not create any use value. (Blackjack
dealers arguably do create use value though of a dubious kind.)
-raghu.
^^^
CB: Most of the
By the way, the commodity produced by a teacher is labor power.
CB
^^^
No -- only a _commodity_ can have exchange value, and there is a great
deal of highly useful labor in any society which does not create any
sort of commodity (product or service) and thus produces no exchange
value. Teachers
No -- only a _commodity_ can have exchange value, and there is a great
deal of highly useful labor in any society which does not create any
sort of commodity (product or service) and thus produces no exchange
value. Teachers produce workers but they do not produce a commodity,
CB; Actually,
Charles Brown wrote:
By the way, the commodity produced by a teacher is labor power.
CB
Not necessarily. There is a huge adult education industry out there
with teachers instructing in everything from foreign languages for
tourists to music appreciation to craft welding all designed for the
I really don't mind the disagreement and I'm not afraid of being wrong, but,
as Michael later indicates, I think it's disrespectful for someone to
dismiss an idea in two words without pointing out where the error(s) lie(s).
I'd rather remain as a lurker rather than engage in such a conversation.
Alex Cockburn is, arguably, the premier radical journalist of our time. Has
been for decades. His influence on the left continues to be enormous. Since his
salad days scribbling in 1960's Britain to his mature writings in
CounterPunch, the daily web newsletter edited with Jeffrey St. Clair, the
Top Ten Reasons Bush is NOT Responsible for the Recession
by neuroscott
http://www.bigbrassblog.com/index.php?itemid=1430
10 — Since when has George ever been responsible for anything. --
Barbara Bush
9 — There's still 11 months time for wealthy benefactors to bail out
U.S. economy, just like
As many of you are no doubt aware, Alexander Cockburn has cultivated the
image of contrarian for many years now. This is the stock-in-trade of
both Cockburn and Christopher Hitchens, at least when he was part of the
left. To outrage a reader serves the same purpose as a shock jock
steaming up
Charles Brown wrote:
guards and dealers definitely produce use-values; otherwise no-one
would pay them. But, at least in Marxian political economy, they do
not produce surplus-value. The guard simply preserves property rights,
while the cashier transfers them. The worker who produces
From Cooks and Liars, for Simon Ward:
Don't feed the Trolls
from Crooks and Liars by John Amato
With the primaries upon us—there is no shortage of trolls.
Atrios:
I cannot make anyone stop responding to pointless or nuisance
comments. You have to want to restrain yourself, because you
raghu wrote:
Wow this is a bit overwhelming.
Jim, Louis, Thanks for the correction: I should have said
surplus-value instead of use-value.
re: security guards there is still a difference between a mall
security guard who stops shop-lifters and a security guard who keeps
trespassers out of a
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/01/a-tipping-point.html
---snip
A homeowner who can't sell his house tells the L.A.Times, Foreclose
me. ... I'll live in the house for free for 12 months, and I'll save
my money and I'll move on.
Banks and lenders fear this
Paul Philips writes:
I think one of the problems that many have with the concept of
productive/unproductive labour is that many workers are both at the same
time and the productive/unproductive aspects of their labour can not be
separated or quantified independently. Take for instance the
On Jan 28, 2008 3:44 PM, David B. Shemano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps not relevant, but this reminds me of a law school exam on secured
transactions which tests the student's understanding that a truck is
inventory in the hands of the dealer, equipment in the hands of a
business
https://outlook.cuit.columbia.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.swans.comhttp://www.swans.com
January 28, 2008
In this issue:
Note from the Editors: The world economy, suffering the ripple effects
of the sinking dollar, the subprime lending scandal, and other financial
shenanigans, is
I'm far from an expert on credit, so I'm posting this, hoping that some of you
may
contribute to my education.
My understanding is that most families avoided borrowing for consumer goods,
except
for pianos and encyclopedias, which were considered moral consumption. Then in
the
1920s, the
Shane Taylor posted an alert on LBO about Daniel's latest. It is, as usual, a
dandy one.
Of Development and Debt
by Daniel Davies
http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/25/of-development-and-debt/
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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