Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Doug Henwood
On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Matthijs Krul wrote: Obama's support comes mainly from a vast amount of small individual donations, whereas Hillary is much more reliant on large donors and companies. Yeah, he's gotten more small donations than she has, but he also gets the big bucks from the

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread g.a.s.
Clean Black Nuclear Obama Power: http://www.deq.idaho.gov/inl_oversight/waste/images/snf_dry_storage_can_000.jpg Matthijs Krul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are good leftist reasons to support him. As was already pointed out, Obama's support comes mainly from a vast amount of small

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Matthijs Krul
Just to add my two cents to the Obama/Hillary issue. I'm not an American, so I don't have a vote in the US elections anyway, but I would definitely prefer Obama over Clinton. None of us, I'm sure, have any illusions about Obama being even remotely radical, neither on economic or nor on so-called

Re: [PEN-L] Sans 'Allegedly' - Da' Buffalo scents disinformation, gets mean with McClatchy's Moderator

2008-02-07 Thread g.a.s.
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Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine I think that was in 1972, when the CP ran its own independent campaign, but most of its members supported McGovern CB: Did you do a poll of the members or did you get this info from the FBI ? Most party members are not public because there is not freedom of political

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Jim Devine
me: I think that was in 1972, when the CP ran its own independent campaign, but most of its members supported McGovern Charles: Did you do a poll of the members or did you get this info from the FBI ? Most party members are not public because there is not freedom of political association

[PEN-L] Obama-Clinton

2008-02-07 Thread Anthony D'Costa
A question for all those election pundits, I will be voting for the first time from Copenhagen, how does one win a US election without money (big or small)? Do small donors mean they do not expect anything politically from their winning candidate ans does large donors necessarily want

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread ravi
On Feb 7, 2008, at 12:33 PM, ravi wrote: On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Matthijs Krul wrote: As was already pointed out, Obama's support comes mainly from a vast amount of small individual donations, ... 43% of Obama's donations come from donors who give more than $2300. Only 26% comes from

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Jim Devine
CB: No, they considered it a Business Party, and said so. Louis Proyect wrote: Do you have a citation for that? I, of course, am not referring to the 3rd period, when the CP was certainly hostile to the Democrats. I remember hearing the CP presidential candidate (Gus Hall) saying that

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Louis Proyect
CB: No, they considered it a Business Party, and said so. Do you have a citation for that? I, of course, am not referring to the 3rd period, when the CP was certainly hostile to the Democrats.

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Louis Proyect Matthijs Krul wrote: Even when times were vastly rougher and the leftist challenge vastly stronger than they were now, like around WWI and the Great Depression, the two-party system in the US stood as a rock amidst the storm. It's simply not feasible to expect it to collapse as

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Matthijs Krul Contrary to what Charles Brown thinks, I think the Bradley effect will be quite minor - Harold Ford in the 2006 Senate election performed more or less as polled, and he was a really rightist Democratic candidate in Tennessee of all places. Obama has won such bastions of ethnic

[PEN-L] Bob Scheer on Obamillary

2008-02-07 Thread Jim Devine
The Legacy of Bush II http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080205_the_legacy_of_bush_ii/ Posted on Feb 5, 2008 By Robert Scheer Curb your enthusiasm. Even if your favored candidate did well on Super Tuesday, ask yourself if he or she will seriously challenge the bloated military budget that

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Perelman
everybody. On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:30:37PM -0500, Charles Brown wrote: Who just me ? Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/2008 5:20 PM Be nice. On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:14:01PM -0500, Charles Brown wrote: But you are not tired of being offensive ? -- Michael Perelman

[PEN-L] Travus T. Hipp: I Don't Mean To Sound 'Hope'-Less (about Obama) But I've Had These Hopes And Inspirations Before

2008-02-07 Thread Leigh Meyers
Fidel Castro Stokley Carmichael Martin Luther King Jr. Abbie Hoffman Jerry Rubin [February 07 2008] Travus T. Hipp Morning News Commentary: I Don't Mean To Sound 'Hope'-Less But I've Had These Hopes And Inspirations Before - Why Barack Obama's 'Hope' Urges Me Towards Hillary Clinton In the news

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Louis Proyect
CB: I believe this was because the CP considered itself a Labor Party. Sort of like the Bolsheviks were the Social Democratic _Labor_ Party. Squelch is a loaded term in this context, therefore. They would be saying , if you want to build a labor party, support us. Instead I think that the CP

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Who just me ? Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/2008 5:20 PM Be nice. On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:14:01PM -0500, Charles Brown wrote: But you are not tired of being offensive ? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Be nice. On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:14:01PM -0500, Charles Brown wrote: But you are not tired of being offensive ? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu michaelperelman.wordpress.com

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
But you are not tired of being offensive ? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/2008 4:47 PM I'm tired of this defensiveness. On Feb 7, 2008 1:16 PM, Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Devine Charles: Did you do a poll of the members or did you get this info from the FBI ? Most

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Jim Devine
I'm tired of this defensiveness. On Feb 7, 2008 1:16 PM, Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Devine Charles: Did you do a poll of the members or did you get this info from the FBI ? Most party members are not public because there is not freedom of political association for

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Matthijs Krul wrote: Even when times were vastly rougher and the leftist challenge vastly stronger than they were now, like around WWI and the Great Depression, the two-party system in the US stood as a rock amidst the storm. It's simply not feasible to expect it to collapse as long as plurality

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine Charles: Did you do a poll of the members or did you get this info from the FBI ? Most party members are not public because there is not freedom of political association for Communists in the US. no, I didn't do a poll. But that was the word on the street and my friends in the CP

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Very astute, especially because I agree with you. Just to add my two cents to the Obama/Hillary issue.

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Leigh Meyers
3 thumbs up!: http://leighm.net/images/incvl.jpg On Feb 7, 2008 2:47 PM, Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everybody. On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:30:37PM -0500, Charles Brown wrote: Who just me ? Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/2008 5:20 PM Be nice. On Thu,

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Louis Proyect CB: No, they considered it a Business Party, and said so. Do you have a citation for that? I, of course, am not referring to the 3rd period, when the CP was certainly hostile to the Democrats. CB: Why aren't you referring to the 3rd period ? I believe I saw it in Party

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread Charles Brown
Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/07/2008 12:05 PM CB: I believe this was because the CP considered itself a Labor Party. Sort of like the Bolsheviks were the Social Democratic _Labor_ Party. Squelch is a loaded term in this context, therefore. They would be saying , if you want to build a

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread ravi
On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Matthijs Krul wrote: As was already pointed out, Obama's support comes mainly from a vast amount of small individual donations, ... 43% of Obama's donations come from donors who give more than $2300. Only 26% comes from those who donate less than $200. So his

Re: [PEN-L] Let.s Go Hillary

2008-02-07 Thread knowknot
. . . I think that was in 1972, when the CP ran its own independent campaign, but most of its members supported McGovern CB: Did you do a poll of the members or did you get this info from the FBI ?*** By 1972, weren't most of its members _employed_ by the FBI?

[PEN-L] bangs per buck

2008-02-07 Thread Jim Devine
according to SLATE: The NY [TIMES] notes that, based on 2007 fund-raising figures, no one got a bigger bang for his buck than Mike Huckabee. The former Arkansas governor won 156 delegates at a cost of approximately $45,000 each. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, spent $654,000 per delegate. But

[PEN-L] With the economy in a nosedive... - McClatchy notes cutbacks in lattes, vacation travel, more

2008-02-07 Thread Leigh Meyers
Santa Cruz can kiss it's *whole* business model Buh-Bye. Americans give up lattes, vacations as economy sours By Tony Pugh | McClatchy Newspapers Posted on Thursday, February 7, 2008 WASHINGTON — With the economy in a nosedive, Americans are shedding unnecessary expenses, saving their cash