Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Devine
films of Stanley Kubrick ... combined formal elegance with a studious refusal to moralize. On 1/2/06, Carl Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I can't imagine a movie more incandescent with moral outrage than Kubrick's Paths of Glory, one of the greatest antiwar films ever. Dr.

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread ravi
At around 2/1/06 11:25 am, Carrol Cox wrote: Jim Devine wrote: hey, Louis, it's bad form to give away crucial plot-twists, especially those toward the end of the film. However, your review is spot-on. I've always preferred to know the ending of books, plays, or movies, and have never myself

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Devine
a lot of films -- e.g., The Crying Game or The Sixth Sense -- rely on surprise as part of their art. Without it, they wouldn't be as fun. On 1/3/06, ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During my first few years in the USA, I used to be amused by the seriousness with which adults treated movie endings

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: a lot of films -- e.g., The Crying Game or The Sixth Sense -- rely on surprise as part of their art. Without it, they wouldn't be as fun. Surprises that are surprises will usually remain so the second time around. The death of Lt. Hearn (do I have that name right?) in The

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: a lot of films -- e.g., The Crying Game or The Sixth Sense -- rely on surprise as part of their art. Without it, they wouldn't be as fun. ravi: Crying game was a bit hyped, no? And Sixth Sense was entirely hyped. In fact it is a good example of Carrol's point: without even knowing

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Daniel Davies
I'll never forgive the bastard who spoilt the surprise by telling me what happens to Willy Loman at the end of Death of a Salesman. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ravi Sent: 03 January 2006 18:10 To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Re: Match Point

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread ravi
At around 3/1/06 1:24 pm, Daniel Davies wrote: I'll never forgive the bastard who spoilt the surprise by telling me what happens to Willy Loman at the end of Death of a Salesman. Arthur Miller? ;-) Don't know if you are just joking or also making a subtle point here, but I read one anyway

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Devine
some films are great and don't suffer from having their surprises revealed, whereas others are just fun. Movie reviewers typically focus on the great films; some lambaste the merely fun ones for not being great. But what's wrong with a little escapism? (If escapism is out, then throw away all

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-03 Thread Autoplectic
On 1/3/06, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movie reviewers typically focus on the great films; some lambaste the merely fun ones for not being great. But what's wrong with a little escapism? (If escapism is out, then throw away all your beer.) Or you can send your beer

[PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Louis Proyect
Warning: This film review will reveal the surprise ending of Woody Allen's latest film. If you've seen Annie Hall, I am sure you will remember the scene when Woody (Alvy) and Diane Keaton (Annie) are walking down a city street discussing how dysfunctional their relationship is. They then

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Jim Devine
hey, Louis, it's bad form to give away crucial plot-twists, especially those toward the end of the film. However, your review is spot-on. On 1/2/06, Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning: This film review will reveal the surprise ending of Woody Allen's latest film. If you've

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Louis Proyect
At 11:10 AM 1/2/2006, you wrote: hey, Louis, it's bad form to give away crucial plot-twists, especially those toward the end of the film. However, your review is spot-on. But I distinctly said at the beginning: On 1/2/06, Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning: This film review will

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Jim Devine
okay. I forgot that part. They're testing the fire alarms in my office building. My mental state is a lot like Harrison's in the middle of Vonnegut's dystopic Harrison Bergeron, where he is smart and so has to wear a klaxon on his head to make him equal to others. (That short story is a favorite

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: hey, Louis, it's bad form to give away crucial plot-twists, especially those toward the end of the film. However, your review is spot-on. I've always preferred to know the ending of books, plays, or movies, and have never myself gotten any particular pleasure about

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, LP I don't care if you put the ending in. I don't want to see your analysis shorted circuited by clumsy demands about commercial movies. thanks, Doyle On Jan 2, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: At 11:10 AM 1/2/2006, you wrote: hey, Louis, it's bad form to give away

Re: [PEN-L] Match Point

2006-01-02 Thread Carl Remick
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warning: This film review will reveal the surprise ending of Woody Allen's latest film. Great, now I don't have to watch the thing :) ... Dreiser was a stern critic of the wealthy and even joined the Communist Party at the very end of his life. ... No