Ralph :As to the use of the term fascist, without a definition grounded in
material conditions rather than in symptomatic behavior, the term is
slippery and mostly devoid of propaedeutic or analytic value. After all,
the term was so rapidly diluted in the 30s and 40s that Roosevelt was
called
Once again on fascism:
Just to review some of the main material conditions, with emphasis on
Germany, giving rise to fascism as ideology and practice in Germany and
Italy in the 1920s and later in Spain in the 30s, I have taken a look
back, way out here in the mid-Pacific with limited library and
three points:
1. Though I don't think the US should be called fascist or Nazi,
there is a major point of similarity these days, at least on the
ideological level. The Bushocrats see themselves and their nation as
victims, partly due to 9/11 and partly due to an imitation of the
Israelis --
From: Carrol Cox
I dislike using the words Nazi or Fascist precisely because I
believe that, from a world perspective, the U.S. today is _exactly_ what
Germany/Japan were in the 1930s -- _the_ most serious threat today to human
well-being world wide. It is therefore crucial to make it clear to
* From: Ralph Johansen
I don't know what the term fascist would mean to a 25-year old in
Peoria, if anything, but why use it on left lists? As it is being used
here, it is an emotive term and we're already emoted thank you. As a
term of analysis descriptive of some existing reality it has
Carrol Cox wrote:
If it were just a matter of Bush being fascist, we could happily join
the ABBs.
Who? That's so 2004.
Doug
heck. I don't care about toxicity. It's accuracy that I care about.
Also, communication. Do you think most people in the country would
agree that the US government is fascist?
JD
^^^
CB: Accuracy of the use of the term would not be determined by what most
people in the country think about the
I wrote:
I don't care about toxicity. It's accuracy that I care about. Also,
communication. Do you think most people in the country would agree that the
US government is fascist?
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: Accuracy of the use of the term would not be determined by what most
people in the
I don't know what the term fascist would mean to a 25-year old in
Peoria, if anything, but why use it on left lists? As it is being used
here, it is an emotive term and we're already emoted thank you. As a
term of analysis descriptive of some existing reality it has no utility.
Recite to yourself
On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Ralph Johansen wrote:
I don't know what the term fascist would mean ...
I agree with Mussolini's analysis on this (only). Instead of using the
word fascist, we should be using corporatist.
Dan Scanlan
Instead of using the word fascist or corporatist (which might be
emotionally gratifying because it includes an implicit equation of
corporate rule with fascism), it's best to be concrete -- at least to
start -- referring to restrictions on civil liberties, crony
capitalism, sops to billionaires,
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