Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-14 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, On Nov 13, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: So it's politically not too bright to throw fascist around in u.s. politics. Doyle; It's clear to me that 'fascist' is long since lost it's roots in militaristic mass movements and become in the U.S. synonymous with foreign

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-14 Thread The Buffalo In Da' Midst
Well put. I was going to give a bit on Carrol's 'Point B': Because calling Bush a fascist does not challenge capitalism or imperialism, it merely a) Gives support to the DP and thereby supports imperialism b) Serves to obscure the repressive power and action of bourgeois democracy _at its

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Henwood
On Nov 13, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Jim Devine wrote: [by the way, which former prime minister was that? was he (or she) _literally_ a fascist?] Aznar. And it's not far from true; I think his party is a direct descendant of Franco's. Doug

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: from HARPER'S WEEKLY, November 13, 2007: new frontiers in diplomacy: At an Ibero-American summit in Chile, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Spain's former prime minister a fascist, adding, fascists are not human. A snake is more human. Why don't you shut up?

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread The Buffalo In Da' Midst
On Nov 13, 2007 1:48 PM, Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Devine wrote: from HARPER'S WEEKLY, November 13, 2007: new frontiers in diplomacy: At an Ibero-American summit in Chile, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Spain's former prime minister a fascist, adding,

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Laurent GUERBY
On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 12:48 -0600, Carrol Cox wrote: Jim Devine wrote: from HARPER'S WEEKLY, November 13, 2007: new frontiers in diplomacy: At an Ibero-American summit in Chile, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Spain's former prime minister a fascist, adding, fascists are

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Carrol Cox
The Buffalo In Da' Midst wrote: So what about BushCo BushWars...? They ...marshall(ed) international support for that coup (in the U.S). (9/11)), and invaded a foreign country that had done nothing (No, not Poland, Iraq). Which makes him (THEM!) something pretty despicable, fascist

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Jim Devine
Carrol Cox wrote: So it's politically not too bright to throw fascist around in u.s. politics. it also tends to take the insult out of the word fascist. -- Jim Devine / Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti. (Go your own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Charles Brown
The Buffalo In Da' Midst wrote: So what about BushCo BushWars...? They ...marshall(ed) international support for that coup (in the U.S). (9/11)), and invaded a foreign country that had done nothing (No, not Poland, Iraq). Which makes him (THEM!) something pretty despicable, fascist

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread Paul
Doug H. responding to Jim D. writes: [by the way, which former prime minister was that? was he (or she) _literally_ a fascist?] Aznar. And it's not far from true; I think his party is a direct descendant of Franco's. Doug is right, in fact its worse: Aznar has a direct personal involvement

Re: [PEN-L] this stuff is true!

2007-11-13 Thread The Buffalo In Da' Midst
On Nov 13, 2007 6:57 PM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Foreigners can (and must) participate. But name calling from foreigners probably hurts the cause - in Spain at least. Paul Right... Which is why I'm calling a spade a spade HERE, where I live, in the U.S., despite the jibes and