Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread Smylers
Adam Kennedy writes: Christopher H. Laco wrote: Tony Bowden wrote: What's the difference to you between me shipping a a .t file that uses Pod::Coverage, or by having an internal system that uses Devel::Cover in a mode that makes sure I have 100% coverage on everything,

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread Smylers
Adam Kennedy writes: Michael Graham wrote: Another good reason to ship all of your development tests with code is that it makes it easer for users to submit patches with tests. Or to fork your code and retain all your development tools and methods. Perl::MinimumVersion, which

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread Smylers
chromatic writes: On Sat, 2005-04-16 at 20:59 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: And the more the better! Well sure. Two-space indent is clearly better than one-space indent, and four-space is at least twice as good as that. Negative quality for anybody who includes a literal tab character

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 08:24:01AM +, Smylers wrote: Negative quality for anybody who includes a literal tab character anywhere in the distro's source! Negative quality for anyone whose files appear to have been edited in emacs! Tony

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread Tony Bowden
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 12:17:17AM +, Smylers wrote: Remember that we aren't measuring quality, but kwalitee. Kwalitee is supposed to provide a reasonable indication of quality, so far as that's possible. So what matters in determining whether a kwalitee heuristic is appropriate is

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread David A. Golden
Tony Bowden wrote: so even if a neural net (or whatever) did come up with the above substring heuristic, once it's know then authors can game the system by artificially crowbarring into their modules' sources, at which point the heuristic loses value. I thought the idea was that we /wanted/

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-17 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Tony == Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tony Negative quality for anyone whose files appear to have been edited in Tony emacs! Now, them's fightin' words! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 merlyn@stonehenge.com

Re: TestSimple/More/Builder in JavaScript

2005-04-17 Thread David Wheeler
On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Adam Kennedy wrote: JSPANTS, you mean? I think we need a CJSPAN, first. Alias? Yes well... I'm getting there slowly. JavaScript::Librarian + Algorithm::Dependency + YAML ought to be enough to get some basics sorted out... Well, you should know that there are a now a

Re: ANN: JavaScript TestSimple 0.02

2005-04-17 Thread David Wheeler
On Apr 16, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Adam Kennedy wrote: It's going to totally depend on what you want to wrap around it... Do you want the human interacty mode? Or the machine county mode. machine county mode? Just that, I think. Forget the document object for a moment, you are more accurately in the

Re: Testing Ties

2005-04-17 Thread James E Keenan
Michael G Schwern wrote: tie() always returns an object. The object returned by the new method is also returned by the tie function, which would be useful if you want to access other methods in CLASSNAME. Your insight's and Kevin's were incorporated

Re: TestSimple/More/Builder in JavaScript

2005-04-17 Thread jesse
Well, you should know that there are a now a number of people I know of who are working on JSAN-y things in parallel. I've Cc'd them on this message. Maybe we should set up a mail list somewhere an coordinate our efforts? What would be the proper venue for that? I'm betting there is no

Re: TestSimple/More/Builder in JavaScript

2005-04-17 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 05:23:56PM -0400, jesse wrote: I'm betting there is no javascript community organization we can leverage. Perhaps the DynAPI folks might be interested. http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/ And then there's the whole Ajax thing which I'm not really up on enough to

Re: TestSimple/More/Builder in JavaScript

2005-04-17 Thread David Wheeler
On Apr 17, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Perhaps the DynAPI folks might be interested. http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/ Perhaps, But then the mail lists are simply hosted by SourceForge. Ick. And then there's the whole Ajax thing which I'm not really up on enough to detect if

Re: TestSimple/More/Builder in JavaScript

2005-04-17 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 04:26:32PM -0700, David Wheeler wrote: On Apr 17, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Perhaps the DynAPI folks might be interested. http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/ Perhaps, But then the mail lists are simply hosted by SourceForge. Ick. Sorry, the point