Tels wrote:
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Moin,
On Wednesday 12 July 2006 03:13, David Golden wrote:
Tels wrote:
My idea was to build _only_ the database, and do it right, simple and
easy to use and then get everyone else to just use the DB instead of
fiddling with their own.
David Landgren writes:
Expected and actual has a long tradition in scientific endeavour,
They strike me as the teams most intuitively recognizable and least open
to misinterpretation.
Smylers
On 7/12/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Landgren writes:
Expected and actual has a long tradition in scientific endeavour,
And are still sucky as they are different lengths meaning the two
outputs are offset on the screen making it harder to see the failure.
They strike me as
demerphq writes:
On 7/12/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Landgren writes:
Expected and actual has a long tradition in scientific endeavour,
And are still sucky as they are different lengths meaning the two
outputs are offset on the screen making it harder to see the
On 7/13/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
demerphq writes:
On 7/12/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Landgren writes:
Expected and actual has a long tradition in scientific endeavour,
And are still sucky as they are different lengths meaning the two
outputs are offset on
On 7/13/06, David Landgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
demerphq wrote:
On 7/12/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Landgren writes:
Expected and actual has a long tradition in scientific endeavour,
And are still sucky as they are different lengths meaning the two
outputs are offset
David Wheeler writes:
On Jul 12, 2006, at 03:41, Gabor Szabo wrote:
perl -MModule -e'print $Module::VERSION'
I have this alias set up:
function pv () { perl -M$1 -le print $1-VERSION; }
Along similar lines, I have this one-liner as ~/bin/pmv:
#! /bin/sh
perl -m$1 -le 'print
On 12/07/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Wheeler writes:
On Jul 12, 2006, at 03:41, Gabor Szabo wrote:
perl -MModule -e'print $Module::VERSION'
I have this alias set up:
function pv () { perl -M$1 -le print $1-VERSION; }
Along similar lines, I have this one-liner as
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:29:38 +0300, Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/13/06, Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I could change it so that it tries to figure out whether it's being
used for real or not and disable the END block code but that's stress
and hassle. As a module
Fergal Daly writes:
On 12/07/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have this one-liner as ~/bin/pmv:
#! /bin/sh
perl -m$1 -le 'print '$1'-VERSION || die No VERSION in '$1'\n'
These all fail for modules that do interesting things. For example
Test::NoWarnings performs a
On 13/07/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fergal Daly writes:
On 12/07/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have this one-liner as ~/bin/pmv:
#! /bin/sh
perl -m$1 -le 'print '$1'-VERSION || die No VERSION in '$1'\n'
These all fail for modules that do interesting things. For
While I agree with David, this argument is almost completely pointless.
Nobody reads the raw TAP output! If you want your TAP harness to
display got and expected, let it. If you want it so say foo and
bar (so they line up :-P), then great.
The actual TAP is going to live in a protocol
Jonathan Rockway wrote:
While I agree with David, this argument is almost completely pointless.
Nobody reads the raw TAP output!
are you serious? listen to what they people here are saying - we _all_
read the raw TAP output, all the time, and not because we're TAP
developers interested in the
On 13/07/06, Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Rockway wrote:
While I agree with David, this argument is almost completely pointless.
Nobody reads the raw TAP output!
are you serious? listen to what they people here are saying - we _all_
read the raw TAP output, all the time,
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Moin,
On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:26, Adam Kennedy wrote:
Tels wrote:
The DB backend shouldn't matter at all, it should be transparent and be
switchable without any noticable change at the front.
Yep, right with you. Hence DBIx::Class.
*sigh*
On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:52, Jonathan Rockway wrote:
Nobody reads the raw TAP output!
I would love to see your TAP diagnostic parser and reporter. I, unfortunately,
don't have one and must read the raw TAP output myself. :)
-- c
* Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-12 19:00]:
Using SQLite or similiar is what really creates the problems
with CPANTS - you cant just access the raw database without the
front-end.
All you need is one binary from www.sqlite.org – I don’t follow
why this is a problem. And I certainly prefer
A. Pagaltzis wrote:
* Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-12 19:00]:
Using SQLite or similiar is what really creates the problems
with CPANTS - you cant just access the raw database without the
front-end.
All you need is one binary from www.sqlite.org – I don’t follow
why this is a problem.
On Jul 13, 2006, at 05:56, Fergal Daly wrote:
That's funny, it looks like I did put some code in to disable the END
block if it's required rather than used. Turns out I did this to
make MakeMaker happy, so MakeMaker does actually do a full require,
Well, IIRC, both MakeMaker and Module::Build
* Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-13 10:50]:
When you first suggested those terms earlier in this thread I
did find that I had to slow down when reading them to work out
which is which.
I had no such slowdown on reading David Landgren's mail.
Same here.
I think it's just that want and
* Michael Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-13 19:50]:
And if you use DBD::SQLite you don't even need that. I has
everything you'd need.
Actually that’s more of a hassle. If you install DBI::Shell you
get close, but having to specify a DSN is still a hassle. With
the SQLite binary you just say
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 02:29:38PM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote:
On 7/13/06, Fergal Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I could change it so that it tries to figure out whether it's being
used for real or not and disable the END block code but that's stress
and hassle. As a module author, as far as I'm
are you serious? listen to what they people here are saying - we _all_
read the raw TAP output, all the time, and not because we're TAP
developers interested in the underlying implementations. as users, the
(current) raw TAP diagnostics helps us figure out why a test failed, and
if it doesn't
I asked How does a programming language stagnate? a couple of weeks ago.
Peter Scott responded with wisdom, in particular:
Modules like SUPER and NEXT are pragmata designed to make Perl behave
the way
we (for large values of we) think it should have behaved to begin with.
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Moin,
On Thursday 13 July 2006 19:40, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
* Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-12 19:00]:
Using SQLite or similiar is what really creates the problems
with CPANTS - you cant just access the raw database without the
front-end.
On 7/13/06, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
are you serious? listen to what they people here are saying - we _all_
read the raw TAP output, all the time, and not because we're TAP
developers interested in the underlying implementations. as users, the
(current) raw TAP
wow, my code is being used in a flame war! *blush* :-)
Sorry! I didn't want this to come across as a flame. I just wanted to
make sure I (and other people ;) have the distinction between TAP and
uses of TAP clear in their minds. The sooner we can agree over what the
protocol should call
* chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-13 21:10]:
Why is there not a Bundle::PerlPlus (and yes, I've lathered up
my yak with that name) that downloads and installs the modules
that should have been in the box?
I thought that’s called “the core distribution.” NEXT is already
in there. So is
On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:32, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
I thought that’s called “the core distribution.” NEXT is already
in there. So is List::Util (a big deal for me).
Maybe for Perl 5.9.x... but how long will it be between someone
realizing Hey, SUPER should have been in Perl 5 from the start
Wheeling back over to the extra diagnostic output that Schwern
originally proposed, I agree with Adam in that any additions we make
to TAP must be completely backward-compatible.
I hereby recant my burblings. After reading Adam's replies, I think I
might have pushed the thread in the wrong
On 7/13/06, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is there not a Bundle::PerlPlus (and yes, I've lathered up my yak with
that name) that downloads and installs the modules that should have been in
the box?
Sure, a Bundle::PerlPlus would be fun. Installing it wouldn't be.
Perl module
* chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-13 23:25]:
On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:32, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
I thought that’s called “the core distribution.” NEXT is
already in there. So is List::Util (a big deal for me).
Maybe for Perl 5.9.x... but how long will it be between someone
realizing
David Wheeler wrote:
On Jul 13, 2006, at 05:56, Fergal Daly wrote:
That's funny, it looks like I did put some code in to disable the END
block if it's required rather than used. Turns out I did this to
make MakeMaker happy, so MakeMaker does actually do a full require,
Well, IIRC, both
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Heya Tim,
afte seeing the recent discussion about CPANDB and CPAN::Index, I don't
think I want to work on that project anymore for two reasons:
* announced to early - now everybody tells me how I have to implement it and
why my way wont work
*
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