])C
$message = dl_error C
so I guess that as much as that as possible, preferable all needs testing
(in an ideal world. As I found with Benchmark.t, trying to test everything
gets quite big. And it had less things than Dynaloader.)
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, if your Term::ANSIColor is installed in 5.6.1's directories,
just build yourself a 5.005_03 in the regular place :-)
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EMCFT http://www.ccl4.org/~nick/CV.html
had about perlipc once. (rant-and-patch, IIRC)
I also remember another thing that fell off my to-do list - try to make
some of the perlipc examples into regression tests. That was related to
the SOCKS5-rant]
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Even better than the real thing:http://nms
a
regression test, explaining how to do it, how perl5's tests are structured
to reduce interdependencies, use Test::More; when Test::More is not
appropriate..
And where did the p5p FAQ get to?
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at BEGIN time.
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Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/
modules in t/lib/.
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 06:51 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote:
You'll often see regression tests in the core start like this:
sub BEGIN {
if ($ENV{PERL_CORE}){
chdir('t') if -d 't';
INC = ('.', '../lib');
} else {
unshift INC, 't
a -T test by hand.
So I don't see this as a problem:
../perl -TI. -MTestInit t/path/to/test.t
1..1
ok 1
Although writing it -T -I. is probably clearer
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to check 64 bit
cleanliness before true 64 bit sparc chips were available)
k, but this is a missing info from smoke report.
I can add $Config{archname} to the smokereports if you all want that.
That would be good.
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is that it's entirely accurate. If you know what sbrk() is in
Unix, then you know that this would return it. The value is not directly
memory used or anything like that. It's the current sbrk() :-)
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.
(And do document what it does return on each different system)
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, the
encode compiler, and everyone building perl from source]
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*, because I've not
incorporated more bits based the several other good ideas *I* hadn't thought
of that other people told me.
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for you?
That's what I want. :-)
[To be honest, I don't care if it's a Schwern (closure) who merely puts it
onto his (captured lexical) $TODO, as long as there's also a reference to
Chromatic to actually get a round tuit. That still gets my tests written for
me with maximal laziness]
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On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 07:18:14PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 04:22:49PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
However, I'd like to be able to cleanly print out my random number seed to
STDERR (or whatever Test::Builder's correct name for this is) if it believes
that any
for
production.
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it with more than one file to stub.
PerlIO
if Jarkko-of-Borg assimilates PerlIO::gzip (which I wasn't sure he was
thinking about) it's got (currently) 98 tests that have picked up some of
the bugs in the core PerlIO system.
Are there prizes for every regression test added? :-)
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])C
$message = dl_error C
so I guess that as much as that as possible, preferable all needs testing
(in an ideal world. As I found with Benchmark.t, trying to test everything
gets quite big. And it had less things than Dynaloader.)
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and causing a whole automatic test run to fail.
[and in the case of a busy hang, rather than an idle hang, munching shared
CPU]
Also, did the Windows Gurus work out why the above didn't like Win95?
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--
Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/
a
regression test, explaining how to do it, how perl5's tests are structured
to reduce interdependencies, use Test::More; when Test::More is not
appropriate..
And where did the p5p FAQ get to?
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at BEGIN time.
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--
Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/
understand any Farsi or have any Farsi fonts installed, it's
not going really to help if I have a look.)
So you may wish to install fa_IR and test with that.
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--
Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/
modules in t/lib/.
On Thursday, August 29, 2002, at 06:51 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote:
You'll often see regression tests in the core start like this:
sub BEGIN {
if ($ENV{PERL_CORE}){
chdir('t') if -d 't';
INC = ('.', '../lib');
} else {
unshift INC, 't
a -T test by hand.
So I don't see this as a problem:
../perl -TI. -MTestInit t/path/to/test.t
1..1
ok 1
Although writing it -T -I. is probably clearer
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is that it's entirely accurate. If you know what sbrk() is in
Unix, then you know that this would return it. The value is not directly
memory used or anything like that. It's the current sbrk() :-)
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.
(And do document what it does return on each different system)
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*, because I've not
incorporated more bits based the several other good ideas *I* hadn't thought
of that other people told me.
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--
Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/
you mean dropping all automatic threading support? In which case, how
does one test threaded code? [not that I've written any]
Will there be an explicit thread testing module?
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request for some way to register such a callback.
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--
Brainfuck better than perl? http://www.perl.org/advocacy/spoofathon/
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 07:18:14PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 04:22:49PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
However, I'd like to be able to cleanly print out my random number seed to
STDERR (or whatever Test::Builder's correct name for this is) if it believes
that any
for
production.
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.
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including the entire human genome as a prereq has added
a new sharp upwards spike to CPAN's mean prereq size/module size ratio.
We've not seen anything like this since Meta added a dependency on the
entire Linux 2.7.15 source tree back on April 2nd 2005
:-)
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which test was the missing test
Or if I've got that wrong, I think that we also get confused with 2
adjacent sub tests.
ok 1
ok 2
ok 3
1..3
ok
ok
ok
ok
ok
1..3
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as the last bit of output then that's a fail.
I've had things exit cleanly midway from a no_plan test script, and the
harness has been none the wiser. But I just do stupid things.
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;
system $c;
}
__END__
http://rt.perl.org/rt2/Ticket/Display.html?id=22270
where I don't agree with any of the explainations (IIRC) and stand by the
bug. (But ran out of time to find a better explaination)
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on this either right now, but
there's always next month.
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aware of this. Or at least, it doesn't ring a bell. Is perl5-porters
aware of this? Is this a known change in behaviour?
Not that this invalidates your reasons for needing to stick to 5.6.x
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than not, if you don't feel able to take on
a whole module)
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of
them knocks out the routine and finds a bug]
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 11:41:56AM -0800, Ovid wrote:
--- Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 10:26:02AM -0800, David Wheeler wrote:
1. Perl gets smarter about duping file handles, so that the dupes
get
the same i/o layer settings as the handles they dupe
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:12:16AM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
I suppose that's the price you pay for TIMTOWTDI.
[ Is that a Python programmer I hear giggling in the background? ]
Does Python have any equivalent tool to Devel::Cover?
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experiment is a very good first step to
convincing others to help you with it, and having something that is mostly
finished is a good way to get someone else to host a fully working version.
Actions speak louder than words.
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that $foo being undef was an acceptable match for $bar
being an empty string. (Not so sure about the other 13 comparison operators)
I think I'd prefer like to fail (distinct from warning) if $foo is undef,
given that the expected regexp may well intentionally match an empty string.
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as dependencies. This is fraut with
peril.
When I rule the world (and therefore have requisitioned everyone's tuits)
there will be smoke testing that starts from a clean install each time.
However, right now I don't have time to try to write this. Sorry.
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too polite to push the book he and Richard Foley
wrote: http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=399
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:52:40PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 08:49:11PM +0100, Nicholas Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
Because Andy would be far too polite to push the book he and Richard Foley
wrote: http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=399
That's
]
We should at least throw the poor module author's a bone and leave
Acme:: out of this.
Hey! that would decrease *my* score! ;-)
I've no idea what it would do to my score.
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with the roundness of my stock
of tuits. (or in other words there are things I find I care more about and
deal with first)
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)
But it's only important if it's easy to make. And I'd much prefer time and
effort to go into writing better modules, better tests, and better tools,
than generating heat.
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;
print $1'
perl
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even with the newest versions of Class::Spiffy
etc? I had failures with YAML not liking an existing installed Spiffy, but
upgrading everything seemed to resolve that.
If that's not it, then I don't know, but Ingy is often around on IRC.
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On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 11:30:13AM +0100, Tels wrote:
Problaby just because the last guy running RISC OS has died 4 years ago.
SCNR :-)
Well, the list is *slightly* more active than that:
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.riscos
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for the length of the synopsis?
I was thinking this too. Some synopses aren't.
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to work around strange issues thrown up by certain AIX
compilers in certain configurations...
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were in a position to notice. I'm not sure how much
work that would be.
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the ? from the _ inside the regexp, which was added
in http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?patch=27925
I felt it better to get the code perfectly in sync than to preserve minor
recent (possible) fixes and have to keep track of the fork.
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to display. This class would suck in the
subroutines associated with strap_callback as methods. In turn, it would
stop the evil storing of callback state in the main T::H object. In turn,
the globals $ML $Last_ML_Print can be eliminated and stored as state in this.
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in the core
need some issues fixing before they can run in parallel with each other. I
suspect that their names for temporary files are unimaginative and therefore
clash)
I've got the code for a select driven event loop that can run all this, if
that's helpful.
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a mentee and TPF actually does fund this project
and this code is substantially better than Test::Harness such that it is an
obvious candidate for inclusion in the Perl core.
It must be under the Perl license.
For the core, what he says. Period.
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be
part of the language.
Who's Chromatic?
And it wasn't even the start of a sentence. :-)
[When doing the perl 6 summaries, Piers reconciled the forces of accuracy and
traditional grammar by ensuring by always rephrasing to some sentence order
that didn't start with chromatic]
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to read or use). I would have found some sort of done testing
call useful to have made the test script fail for this case.
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was the culprit.
Why am I wrong?
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mean that both could check out the same testsuite, and both could
commit back to it.
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if the repositories were different, instead of simply one being a subtree of
another. That was all.
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of their
packaging system by having another directory tree in @INC ahead of the
core library paths, into which they install newer versions of dual life
modules. This way no files need to be overwritten on disk, or dual-owned,
yet Perl will still pick up the correct (newer) version.
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thought it was.
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be vague (due to no clear single release where it became
workable)
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people are putting their descriptions after hash marks,
not before.
We could just fix the core.
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without starting to fail
(before 1 is achieved, due to some sort of set up data being exhausted)
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let
an authenticated machine file a bug report with unmangled patch?
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this.
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Sun, so I had plenty of
headroom to run more TAP generating threads.
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making the table. I guess it's a bit of a
bikeshed, but having horizontal lines between each will increase the amount
of vertical space needed to convey the same information, which will mean
fewer failures will be needed to exceed my screen's height.
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un-Unixy portable devices.
IIRC DOS didn't get directories until 1.1
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is very unoriginal in its naming of temporary
files)
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to preserve that term for something positive :)
Such as herding MakeMaker for years with no-one ever saying thanks.
Thanks, Schwern.
(although I'm feeling a bit false as I'm not sure how much of that is simply
because I'm glad that it wasn't me who had to do it)
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?
Surely one can post-process a regular TAP file to sparse output?
And only do so if the TAP file is valid non-sparse output.
This seems safer than generating it by default.
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- I'm ok
ok 8 - You're ok
ok 9 - I'm ok
ok 10 - You're ok
ok 11 - I'm ok
ok 12 - You're ok
ok 13 - I'm ok
ok 14 - You're ok
ok 15 - I'm ok
ok 16 - You're ok
ok 17 - I'm ok
ok 18 - You're ok
ok 19 - I'm ok
ok 20 - You're ok
Does anything spring to mind as to the cause?
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actually writing code, and
more time relaxing and being sociable by replying to e-mail on lists. :-)
Meetings - the practical alternative to work.
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://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/antelope.html
There will be more beer on 5th April, venue to be confirmed. Possibly with
an emergency before then because Simon Cozens is going to Japan.
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 01:37:36AM +, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Are we expecting a YAML reader / writer to be core anytime soon?
Not that I'm aware of.
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:12:08AM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Andy Lester wrote:
Begin forwarded message:
Alright, [EMAIL PROTECTED] should work within 30 minutes or so.
I dunno, I just saw that Nicholas Clark had requested it, and I
forwarded
somewhere in Outer Mongolia, and won't be back for about 2 weeks:
http://use.perl.org/~domm/journal/33801
http://use.perl.org/~domm/journal/33878
He then might be rather busy until the end of YAPC::EU
Don't be hasty with the f word.
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.
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,
the parser in Test::Harness became the bottleneck.
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, but the concept is especially worthless if you
can't depend on their existence.)
To your own modules?
If so, why on earth is anyone upset about this?
Any chance you could convince a few thousand ISPs of that? I'm game.
And this is why.
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in the general case)
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wonder if lawyers can be
upgraded]
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. The cause was
that each based their reasoning on a different set of assumptions, and what
one thought important the other thought was not, and vice versa.
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.
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On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 04:19:17PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:24:47PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
Not tested, but, can you
1: grab the address of print's op from PL_ppaddr
2: store it somewhere useful
3: replace it in PL_ppaddr with your own function
on the writes, but instead only spotted at close time (when
everything resynchronised). The compiler wasn't checking the return value
of close.
Then again, close time might be too late for the application you're
describing, if it is holding files open for long periods.
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.
Is it possible to put the TAP parser into a strict mode where it would detect
and fault these sorts of things?
(I think most specifically these things are lines that aren't /^ok/,
/^not ok/ or /^#/ )
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is in.
However, it might be safe enough to invoke the testing Perl with -CLS
(set STDIN/STDOUT/STDERR to UTF-8 if the user's locale has UTF-8 in it)
which is probably going to be more right more often than anything else.
Not sure if -CLS only came in with 5.8.1
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-V:obj_ext
obj_ext='.o';
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a lot
of complex logic to the test to swap user when running as root would
actually make the test as much a test of the user ID swapping code,
and introduce code that isn't usually tested, and generally introduce
fragility and cause false positive failures.
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/tmp/
$ date Pie
$ chflags uchg Pie
$ date Pie
bash: Pie: Operation not permitted
$ cd ~/test
$ date Pie
$ chflags uchg Pie
chflags: Pie: Operation not supported
$ df .
Filesystem 1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity Mounted on
nas:/data 258199522 203419366 3412419686%/filer
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if it fails
* It can expand (or contract) to fit the student's abilities and whatever end
is reached it can still be declared a success
* It doesn't have a high barrier of entry due to needing knowledge of existing
code bases.
Now, does anyone know a student?
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. I guess that one
needs to loop over all characters in the string, and verify that if
$char eq lc $char then also $char ne uc $char. (But one could first
short circuit the common pass case with the test above)
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$ grep -c 'ignore X' ~/.muttrc
100
That's the ones I've collected that I don't care about. And some of those are
common prefixes.
I guess that there are bazillions more. There's one born every minute.
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