Re: Test::Benchmark ??

2003-12-04 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-12-04T16:51:03] On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:26:07AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say a lot of the trouble comes from the fact that you're using the automated test framework for something that isn't an automated test. But it could be. It

rt.cpan.org

2003-12-06 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
Alright, I know this is tangential to QA, but I'm trying to access rt.cpan.org to update a bug on a module I'm working on. I can't log into rt.cpan.org using my PAUSE credentials. I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] a month ago, and again this week, and received only an automated reply. I was assigned

Re: rt.cpan.org

2003-12-06 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-12-06T20:04:24] On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 07:46:24PM -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: Alright, I know this is tangential to QA, but I'm trying to access rt.cpan.org to update a bug on a module I'm working on. I can't log into rt.cpan.org using my PAUSE

Re: Style question

2004-05-25 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Francisco Olarte Sanz. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-05-25T13:58:21] ? Which aproach is better, have a single independent huge test file or several interdependent smaller ones ( w/ notes in the readme stating test dependence ) ? The better approach is the one that makes it most likely for you to

Re: Adding analysis to Devel::Cover reports

2004-06-08 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael Carman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-06-07T23:13:02] On 6/7/2004 9:20 PM, Andy Lester wrote: The ALT attribute as tooltip thing isn't portable, though. I don't use ALT, I use TITLE. That's the right way according to the W3C and supported by at least IE and Mozilla-based browsers. Or

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-09 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Pete Krawczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-09T13:10:52] Devel::Cover will always see that as a partial test, and never a full test: [ ... ] Is that a bug, then? Or is it something else? And how should I notate that, keeping in mind the goals of Phalanx, so that it's clearly visible that

is_deeply and overloaded obejcts

2004-07-21 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
I was going nuts recently, trying to figure out why I couldn't use is_deeply to compare objects. I've finally determined that it's only an issue (as far as I see) when comparing objects that overload dereferencing to their implementation type. The attached code should fail all three tests; at

Re: Test-Regex-0.01.tar.gz

2004-08-02 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-08-02T10:12:22] What kind of useful diagnostics could this module emit in case of failure? IMO they have to be precisely detailed. # failed comparisons follow: # expected $1: (610) # got $1: 691 # expected $4: x258 # got $4: 258 That's

Re: Test::Harness/prove: printing the test name when a test fails

2004-08-31 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Andrew Savige [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-08-31T04:24:55] Is there a way to make Test::Harness do this? If nothing else, in the given case, it would have made more sense to use is() is(0, 1, Zero shouldn't equal one.); That will print got/expected values on error, even when not verbose. --

Re: [Devel::Cover] @INC at Runtime?

2004-09-17 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-17T00:51:22] So, what's to be lost by having the inc directories default to the contents of @INC when you load Devel::Cover rather than at install time? Presumably the problem is that by runtime, lib and blib directories are already in @INC, so the

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-14T11:28:19] About spaces, another thing springs to mind, for which I would gladly kill the responsible people to allow it (I bet M$ was the first to push it): Spaces in database table and field names. DON'T! NEVER! Once you start it, you will never

Re: Why a scoreboard?

2005-04-02 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David A. Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-02T05:27:18] Andy Lester wrote: Why is there a scoreboard? Why do we care about rankings? Why is it necessary to compare one measure to another? What purpose is being served? Why is there XP on perlmonks? Or Karma on Slashdot? Or for that

Re: Test::Expect

2005-04-15 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Adrian Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-14T15:37:07] On 14 Apr 2005, at 11:36, Leon Brocard wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention to perl-qa that I wrote Test::Expect: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Expect/ It's nice. Already used it :-) Does anyone who has used both Test::Expect and

Devel::Cover and HTTP::Server::Simple

2005-06-08 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
Yesterday, hide gave me some sweet example code to use HTTP::Server::Simple and Test::WWW::Mechanize to test Rubric's CGI bits. I've started working with them, and they make me happy. I've realized that the server, which is forked from the test script, doesn't have its usage show up in

Re: Self-testing kwalitee

2005-07-11 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-11T10:10:31] Note: The last kwalitee test, the one related to Devel::Cover, is considered dangerous by a non-trivial percentage of the community, and there's been a lot of debate on whether it should be removed. Sorry, I should have said

Re: Test::More behavior issue with Devel::Cover + patch

2005-11-03 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Pete Krawczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-03T12:46:48] The solution I see is to make sure the object can() isa(), thus avoiding the die in the process: It was using -isa instead of UNIVERSAL::isa because isa might be overridden. Surely the same could apply to -can. -- rjbs

Re: CPANTS: has_signature, has_pod_index

2005-11-06 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Tels [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-06T09:44:14] * has_signature: a SIGNATURE file exists, and is a valid signatur. That seems reasonable, even though I dread signing all my dists. I feel like it will be a big hassle, but maybe I'm just afraid of change. * has_pod_index: The POD contains at

Re: TODO test paradox: better TODO test management?

2006-02-03 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* demerphq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-02-01T03:26:55] And I think you've conveniently sidestepped my main point which is that TODO tests passing are errors. Consider you have two TODO tests, both of which depend on a common set of functionality. Both should pass or both should fail. I just don't

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-04T10:40:39] And then still people make more of the same. Take Getopt::Long. A perfect and very functional module. Full of features, matured, and actively maintained. Now go look at CPAN, and see how many people either do not like it or find other

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-05 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-05T02:39:20] I'll just mention two things, both very different A. CORE modules are tested on all supported architectures, while CPAN modules do not give that guarantee. The smoke system still causes all possible combinations to be tested on

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-05 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* demerphq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-05T10:23:45] On 4/5/06, Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, I don't dispute the point that it can be wildly obnoxious when Something::Trivial requires DBD::MySQL and Data::Dump::Streamer when it could use neither -- or at least rely

Re: Non-Perl TAP implementations

2006-04-16 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-16T23:08:26] I'm adding a section to Test::Harness::TAP on non-Perl TAP. http://svn.perl.org/modules/Test-Harness/trunk/lib/Test/Harness/TAP.pod If you know of one, please send me some text to add. It's not really ready to be publicized, and I

Re: Non-Perl TAP implementations

2006-04-16 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-16T23:33:19] It's not really ready to be publicized, and I haven't touched it in a little while, but I'll mention PyTap: http://svn.codesimply.com/projects/pytap I got a request, off-list, for more info, so here is some: PyTap will, when it's done

Re: Non-Perl TAP implementations (and diag() problems)

2006-04-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-19T04:02:31] From a parser standpoint, there's no clean way of distinguishing that from what the test functions are going to output. As a result, I really think that diag and normal test failure information should be marked differently (instead of the /^# /

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-24 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-23T12:46:13] So I guess its down to this: pick a goal. Either drop the gaming aspects or drop any remaining pretense that its a measurement of module quality. Since the whole kwalitee thing is pretty flimsy to begin with, I'd go with just making

Re: Unintended consequences

2006-05-28 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-27T23:48:43] The questions that are being asked are for the user's benefit. That is NOT being a freeloader. Freeloading is taken something from the user and providing nothing in return. She's providing her free code in return. -- rjbs

Re: Running individual unit tests with Test::Class???

2006-06-01 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Adrian Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-31T10:55:20] In short * Yes running one test method at a time is a sensible things to do. * No - there currently isn't a simple way of doing this * Good news - Ovid has submitted a patch to make it easy * Bad news - I've been too bone idle to apply

Re: Proposal Suggestion - Test::Run [was Re: [Israel.pm] Fwd: Call for proposals -- Perl Foundation Grants]

2006-07-05 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-05T15:28:28] The grant is about Test::Run, which is a fork of Test::Harness that aims to greatly refactor and modularise it. I've already revamped and re-written a lot of code for it, but there's still a lot that needs to be done. [...] Some of the

Re: TAPx::Parser can't dup STDOUT: bad file descriptor

2006-07-30 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-30T06:19:17] After struggling with this for over an hour, I think I finally found the problem. If I *don't* localize the filehandle, this problem goes away. Apparently, localizing that typeglob caused the underlying descriptor to disappear once the localized

Re: prove support for Test::Class?

2006-08-04 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-03T09:20:50] prove t/test_class_tests.t path/to/test/class.pm I want to do that so I can use Test::Harness, but the path is considered an argument to prove and not my Test::Class driver wrapper script. My first reaction would be to use =, like -M does.

Re: Test::WWW::Mechanize - submit form with invalid values

2006-08-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-19T10:40:37] During testing sometimes I would like to submit a form either with values missing from a selection list or with illegal values supplied. I recently released HTML::Form::ForceValue, which lets you do this. I believe this feature should be

Re: Terrible diagnostic failure

2006-09-18 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-18T13:18:19] Anyone have a Windows box and is willing to test this out for me? I will gladly run tests under WinXP + Strawberry if you tell me where to get it and what you want to know. Drop me an IM or email. -- rjbs

Re: Don't 'rm -fr /' when testing

2006-09-26 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-26T09:19:46] It would be nice if I could just write 'use My::Test::More' in my test scripts and have that provide what I need Side note: yes, it's trivial for me to write an extra module which provide an environment variable or something similar for this,

Re: Comment about BAIL_OUT

2007-01-04 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-04T16:34:31] I guess the reason I have never used BAIL_OUT is because if I have a bunch of tests failing, they fail quickly and I don't have to wait for them :) I suppose it's not that big of a deal, but I noticed it this evening and thought I would toss it

Re: ExtUtils::MakeMaker, and t/ sub-directories

2007-02-09 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-08T19:17:39] Yep, although M::I has some capacity to add a but of extra magic if you could come up with a workaround (like having File::Find locate them all and provide a complete list of TESTS). I do this in

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-02 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-28T22:39:01] Is there a de facto standard for custom extensions to META.yml? (I didn't see one in the spec.) An example might be fields beginning with a capital letter or X-foo style extensions. E.g. Why not: extensions: CPAN::Reporter:

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-03 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-03T13:31:15] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ricardo SIGNES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: extensions: CPAN::Reporter: cc_author: 0 I think in some cases this might work, but I can imagine options that I'd want, such as cc_author

Re: a safer way to use no_plan?

2007-03-03 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-03T21:59:32] In fact, so much eyewringing that I've taken to this lately: use inc::testplan(0, + 3 # use + 199 # those others ); What is that ... for? I often do this: use Test::More; my @test_data =

Re: Custom extensions to META.yml

2007-03-05 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-04T12:09:26] I'm not talking about the particular field name, but the idea that I'd want to say in META.yml Don't send me mail, or whatever setting I want. Instead of having to disable (or enable) CC for every new tool, I'd want a setting that new

Re: The most important TAP tasks.

2007-03-14 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-09T18:17:57] *) TAP diagnostic format http://perl-qa.yi.org/index.php/TAP_diagnostic_syntax There is no way to output diagnostics in TAP. The stuff Test::More spits out to STDERR are unparsable comments indented for humans. Its not TAP. This

Re: .t files as specs

2007-06-20 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* James E Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-19T21:33:11] But, guess what? To the extent that I've been able to determine my own approach to development, I have increasingly moved in the direction of doing step 1 first: documentation-driven development. Or, perhaps more precisely,

Re: podcoverage vs pragmatism

2007-07-08 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-09T16:31:31] # from Ricardo SIGNES # on Monday 09 April 2007 05:10 am: I need to finish/test/release my PC subclass that looks at @PKG::POD_COVERAGE_TRUSTME. I saw that in rt, but I really think pod is the place for it. Why clutter the code

new test module, Test::BinaryData

2007-07-21 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-BinaryData/lib/Test/BinaryData.pm I won't rehash the whole documentation here, but the gist is that I really hate getting test reports that say: not ok 1 # Failed test in demo.t at line 8. # got: 'foo # bar # ' # expected: 'foo #

Re: new test module, Test::BinaryData

2007-07-21 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-21T09:07:42] Ricardo SIGNES wrote: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-BinaryData/lib/Test/BinaryData.pm Did you know that Test::LongString (despite the name) can handle binary information too? Probably not as detailed as your diagnostics

Re: Parsing TAP into TAP

2007-12-14 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Andy Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10T11:52:33] On 10 Dec 2007, at 16:49, Ovid wrote: Seems Ricardo Signes likes this idea, too: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/35076 Who? :) :'( I like this idea so much that if you point me at a repo and failing tests, I will try

Re: phalanx - Getting involved

2008-01-08 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Miguel Pignatelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-08T10:10:00] Is there a possibility of getting involved in the phalanx project?. I'm a regular Perl user trying to improve his knowledge and being able to help the community. Absolutely. A very simple way to do this is to pick a distribution

author tests with Module::Install::AuthorTests

2008-02-25 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
I thought I'd relay my journal post here: http://use.perl.org/~rjbs/journal/35746 Basically, it lets you say author_tests('xt') in your Makefile.PL (using Module::Install) to have a directory (or directory tree) of tests run only by the module's authors. -- rjbs

Re: author tests with Module::Install::AuthorTests

2008-02-27 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-25T12:53:03] # from Ricardo SIGNES # on Monday 25 February 2008 04:59: Basically, it lets you say author_tests('xt') in your Makefile.PL (using Module::Install) to have a directory (or directory tree) of tests run only by the module's authors

ExtUtils::FakeMaker 0.001 uploaded

2008-03-13 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
Lately, we're doing a lot of work on some for-now internal tools that operate on CPAN archives as a whole. They're sort of like CPAN::Mini and CPAN::Mini::Inject, writ large. Doing stuff like unpacking an entire CPAN mirror to analyse its contents and prereqs is a real drag, though. We also

Module-Faker and CPAN-Faker (RIP EU::FakeMaker)

2008-03-14 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
First, ExtUtils::FakeMaker is now Module::Faker. Schwern suggested that ExtUtils should no longer be used, and gave excellent reasoning, summed up here: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?extutils So, that's done. There haven't been any changes worth mentioning, yet, in its

Re: Hackathon logistics

2008-03-26 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-03-26T04:15:47] Not trying to cause repo-wars, but I think I'll need to use git actively for something before I really start to grok it. I had the same thoughts. My concern is that we'll be spending time futzing with git rather than hacking on QA

new module, Pod::Coverage::TrustPod

2008-03-26 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
After having this task languish in my todo for years, at least, I have finally reduced my goal to the important 90% and applied some JFDI. Pod::Coverage::TrustPod acts like Pod::Coverage::CountParents, but accepts non-whitespace lines inside Pod::Coverage POD targets as trustme instructions. In

Re: Friday afternoon in Oslo

2008-03-31 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-03-31T10:07:57] On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Andy Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting in on Thursday night - so I'll be around. Just planning to wander around taking pictures but could be persuaded by something more structured :)

Re: User Supplied YAML Diagnostic Keys: Descriptive Version

2008-04-11 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-11T07:01:19] Here's the descriptive way to specify how the diagnostic keys work. 1) We reserve every key which begins with a lower case letter 2) We say nothing about anything else 3) All keys are optional I thought this had been the

Re: New CPANTS metrics

2008-06-10 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-06-10T12:27:29] I'd like to see the metircs that only talk about the quality of the distribution, and leave everything else alone. If it's something I can fix by doing something to the distribution itself, measure it. If it's anything else, leave it out.

AndyL reports HARNESS_TIMER broken

2008-07-02 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
His email is bustified. http://rafb.net/p/vD8hRk81.html FWIW, I get the same results. -- rjbs

Re: Have/Want

2008-08-07 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-07T00:31:27] On Aug 6, 2008, at 20:12, Michael G Schwern wrote: So I encourage folks to use have and want in the future. I'll be using them in Test::Builder2. Good call. Change committed to pgtap and Test.Builder. and PyTAP, which might

Re: Have/Want

2008-08-11 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
On Aug 6, 2008, at 20:12, Michael G Schwern wrote: So I encourage folks to use have and want in the future. I'll be using them in Test::Builder2. Test.php updated and released. -- rjbs

Re: JSON TAP Diagnostics?

2008-08-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-18T06:50:00] JSON is fairly well implemented and new implementations are trivial. This is not true for YAML. Trying to define a minimum standard of YAML for extended TAP is a quagmire. With JSON, we can punt and just point to a fairly well-established JSON

Re: JSON TAP Diagnostics?

2008-08-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-18T09:27:57] What's the latest consensus on the best pure-perl JSON module? And ditto for JSON via XS? JSON and JSON::XS, most likely. Certainly JSON::XS. -- rjbs

Re: JSON TAP Diagnostics?

2008-08-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-18T11:17:25] Oh, definitely agreed. I cannot assert that non-Perl implementations of JSON are any better, but JSON is simple enough that I'm pretty damned sure they are. However, YAML is so problematic that I *CAN* state that non-Perl versions are often as

Re: JSON TAP Diagnostics?

2008-08-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-18T12:26:54] YAML types can be little more than local tags which only have meaning to that particular document. name: !customer Evil Business Guy Made Of Butter Yeah, that's neat and everything, but there aren't any Perl implementations that

Re: Should MANIFEST go in the repository?

2008-08-20 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Jeffrey Thalhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-20T12:42:49] But there is some debate about whether the MANIFEST and other metafiles should be put in the source code repository. My gut feeling is that MANIFEST is a generated file, therefore it does not go in the repository. Instead,

Re: JSON TAP Diagnostics?

2008-08-21 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-20T13:59:14] Aren't these two separate concerns, human versus machine readability? The latter rarely respects ambiguity. Yes. Right now, there seem to be two pro-YAML arguments. (1) It's easier to for humans read. Sure. I will admit that. It is

Re: Test::Harness Output Change

2008-08-21 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-21T05:36:11] Both of us found this much cleaner. However, this might have unexpected consequences. It also highlights the issue of Test::Harness's long-standing practice of stripping the .t extension from filenames. Why? If we want other extensions, stripping

Re: JSON TAP Diagnostics?

2008-08-21 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-21T12:46:59] # from Ovid 1. YAML is prettier. 2. JSON, unlike YAML, is stable. Let's not forget that the debated requirement for diagnostics is that the generators and consumers speak the same language Does it have to be just one? Now and

Re: Ignoring Non-Failures

2008-09-03 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David E. Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-03T13:27:08] http://cpantesters.perl.org/author/DWHEELER.rss Now that there's a new maintainer, I should send another email... this file, for me is so large (6,680,062 bytes) that my RSS reader times out trying to retrieve it. Ugh. -- rjbs

Re: App::Prove::History

2008-09-19 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Andy Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-19T05:24:40] I'd lean towards epoch for easier comparison on SQLite. I tend to use epoch in SQLite, too, but it's worth nothing that iso8601 is much easier for humans, and SQLite can compare either one pretty well, as 8601 strings are sortable. The

Re: Public Humiliation and Kwalitee

2008-10-28 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Salve J Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-28T14:54:07] David Cantrell said: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:40:03PM +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote: I think _some_ kind of shaming should be allowed. Carrots are good, but sticks work too when applied in a respectable fashion. They might, but a

test harness presentation layer plugins

2009-03-30 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
I'm mostly sending this email because I had an idea, and it's late, and I don't want to forget. Today it occured to me that many Test:: extensions are more about better diagnostic output than better test comparison. This stinks: want: foo bar have: foo bar So you write some plugin that

Re: test harness presentation layer plugins

2009-04-05 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com [2009-03-31T18:22:50] What if display types could be provided informationally in the TAP stream. The stream could include: want: foo bar have: foo bar presentation: Some::Plugin With the plugin installed, the presentation layer could

Re: Nested TAP

2009-04-06 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid publiustemp-perl...@yahoo.com [2009-04-06T04:35:41] Wondering if anyone's played with nested TAP yet and has any comments/requests/questions? Lot's of people have asked for it, so it would be good to make sure we've got it right before it's pushed out the door. I've given it a bit of a

Re: Nested TAP

2009-04-06 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid publiustemp-perl...@yahoo.com [2009-04-06T10:52:33] I thought it might be nice to give the group a description, but really just diagging a description should be good enough for me. I can wait for TAP 15 with preludes, envelopes, and the SWAK marker. Actually, you do a get

Re: Calling All Test:: Authors

2009-06-30 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Ovid publiustemp-perl...@yahoo.com [2009-06-30T10:21:24] The latest developer release of Test::More allows subtests. Subtests are great in that they solve a lot of problems in advanced Perl testing, but they have required a change in Test::Builder. Previously you could do stuff like this:

Re: Fluent tests?

2009-07-02 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* David Golden xda...@gmail.com [2009-06-30T14:46:47] Well, if you're doing interface design, one of the first things that comes to mind is that the name of the test should come first, not last. ...I basically liked everything you had to say here: test label goes here = is( $have, $want

Re: standard for internal-only tests?

2009-07-31 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Jonathan Swartz swa...@pobox.com [2009-07-31T14:57:04] Justin Devuyst kindly pointed me to Module::Install::AuthorTests which appears to have the desired behavior if one is using Module::Install (which I happen to be). Thanks again. ...as long as you're looking at AuthorTests, have

Re: camels

2010-01-03 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Pedro Figueiredo m...@pedrofigueiredo.org [2010-01-03T07:06:19] On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:40 AM, chromatic chroma...@wgz.org wrote: If the design of perl.org had been up to me, I'd have spent much more time promoting the Perl brand instead of the proprietary brand of a privately held

Re: camels

2010-01-03 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Shawn H Corey shawnhco...@gmail.com [2010-01-03T07:22:01] Leo Lapworth wrote: Maybe someone could get a grant to hire someone/a company with design skills to come up with a better logo than the onion? I always thought that something to do with pearls would be nice. The problems with

Re: Test::Differences and utf8

2010-02-04 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Michael Peters mpet...@plusthree.com [2010-02-02T11:13:26] Maybe have the option to UTF8 stdout/stderr and just send the characters and let the display handle it. But I don't think it should be the default. Unicode is tricky and lots of unicode characters can be combined in ways that look

writing tests in an OO paradigm with Test::Routine

2010-09-30 Thread Ricardo Signes
I've recently uploaded my new Moose-based system for writing reusable test behavior. I'm very happy with it so far and hope that it can be useful to others, too. I have written about the system and how it works, with links to further material, here: http://rjbs.manxome.org/rubric/entry/1858

Re: QA hackathon 2011: date poll

2011-01-22 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Lars Dɪᴇᴄᴋᴏᴡ 迪拉斯 da...@cpan.org [2011-01-21T15:40:37] this year's prospective date for the QA hackathon in Amsterdam is 16-18 April. Please reply until Monday morning European time whether this is suitable for you, or you would rather have a different date. Those dates are great for me.

Re: Vague Testing

2011-02-17 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Ovid publiustemp-perl...@yahoo.com [2011-02-17T07:43:16] It would be nice if this was a custom comparator for Test::Deep, then you would be apply the almost to lists of arbitrarily complex items and also conduct that test at any level of the data structure (including nesting if you

Re: QA hackathon 2012

2011-08-22 Thread Ricardo Signes
* David Golden xda...@gmail.com [2011-08-22T22:23:42] On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Lars Dɪᴇᴄᴋᴏᴡ 迪拉斯 da...@cpan.org wrote: To the usual suspects on this list, especially the ones who could not attend the last times: when do you have time around April? (Traditionally, the QA hackathon is

Re: Do we need subtests in TAP?

2011-11-03 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com [2011-10-29T05:20:07] [ What if subtests stop indenting? ] Sorry, I'm quite late to the party. I really like the isolated planning of subtests, and the visual indenting, and (least of the three) the potential for building a better visualizer that works with

Re: Perl QA Hackathon 2012

2011-11-04 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Philippe Bruhat (BooK) philippe.bru...@free.fr [2011-11-03T20:25:25] Here are some news about the Perl QA Hackathon 2012. I have very little to offer other than: Good luck, this all sounds fantastic, and I hope I can make it! As others have said, the very expensive venue sounds very nice,

Re: TB2::Mouse will be internal use only... with one hitch.

2011-11-30 Thread Ricardo Signes
Please stop cc'ing my personal email address on this mailing list mail. I'm already a subscriber. It just pollutes my personal mail from friends folders. -- rjbs

Re: TB2::Mouse will be internal use only... with one hitch.

2011-11-30 Thread Ricardo Signes
re: internal use What does internal define here? What are the boundaries of the space to which TB2::Mouse use is internal? In what scenarios do I have to write something that uses it? If I do that, am I likely using Mouse sugar? -- rjbs

Re: TB2::Mouse will be internal use only... with one hitch.

2011-11-30 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com [2011-11-30T15:22:51] On 2011.11.30 7:20 AM, Ricardo Signes wrote: re: internal use What does internal define here? What are the boundaries of the space to which TB2::Mouse use is internal? Like any other internal use only .pm file in a CPAN

Re: TB2::Mouse will be internal use only... with one hitch.

2011-12-05 Thread Ricardo Signes
Sorry for the long delay. Lately I'm task-switching at a slow pace. Also, I'm quoting you out of order. * Michael G Schwern schw...@pobox.com [2011-11-30T17:16:47] RJBS wrote, The only case when the programmer needs to know about the Mouse underpinnings is when hacking on the dist itself,

Re: Need suggestions for terminology

2011-12-05 Thread Ricardo Signes
David Golden xda...@gmail.com writes: I plan to expand further on this idea of separation at the QA Hackathon in the spring (if I don't start working on it sooner). I'd like to get all CPAN clients able to use an index completely separate from a given repository, where the index could,

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report June 2012

2012-07-13 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2012-07-12T13:36:26] Feature request: some way of easily seeing just my dists. TODO I can't promise when I'll get around to it, but I do have plans for extending cpancover. However, this work is fairly well decoupled from the core of Devel::Cover, so if

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report July 2012

2012-08-01 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2012-08-01T11:48:43] In accordance with the terms of my grant from TPF this is the monthly report for my work on improving Devel::Cover covering July 2012. Thanks Paul, +1. -- rjbs signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report August 2012

2012-09-10 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2012-09-07T10:36:52] In accordance with the terms of my grant from TPF this is the monthly report for my work on improving Devel::Cover covering August 2012. +1, thanks very much, Paul! -- rjbs signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report Weeks 30-32

2013-01-02 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2013-01-02T09:36:45] In accordance with the terms of my grant from TPF this is the report for weeks 30-32 of my work on improving Devel::Cover. [...] Total 8:50 Thanks, Paul. Interesting report, and good luck! +1 -- rjbs signature.asc Description:

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report Weeks 30-32

2013-01-02 Thread Ricardo Signes
* James E Keenan jk...@verizon.net [2013-01-02T22:39:21] On 1/2/13 9:36 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Last week I mentioned the pull requests I had received. I this week I merged a pull request from Steffen Schwigon adding some important modules to cpancover.com. I'm always happy to add modules

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report January 2013

2013-02-13 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2013-02-11T15:53:10] I'm pleased to be able to report that we've agreed to continue with the second half of the grant. Excellent! I'd like to publicly thank Ricardo Signes and Florian Ragwitz for their help and support in managing the first half of the grant

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report February 2013

2013-03-13 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2013-03-07T17:38:54] In accordance with the terms of my grant from TPF this is the monthly report for my work on improving Devel::Cover covering February 2013. Great, thanks, +1! Finally, David Golden politely observed that the coverage reporting for ||=

Re: Smoke Test::More 0.98_05 please.

2013-04-27 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Michael G. Schwern schw...@pobox.com [2013-04-25T13:35:49] 0.98_05 is a release candidate for 0.99. I would say this is the last stable release of Test::More before 1.5.0 but hahahaha I won't say that. https://metacpan.org/release/MSCHWERN/Test-Simple-0.98_05/ Test::Exception fails, which

Re: Smoke Test::More 0.98_05 please.

2013-04-27 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Adrian Howard adri...@quietstars.com [2013-04-27T20:09:09] On 27 April 2013 15:19, Ricardo Signes perl...@rjbs.manxome.org wrote: Test::Exception fails, which breaks a lot of my basic toolchain from installing. T::E 0.32 just uploaded that kills the false failure. Thanks

Re: TPF Devel::Cover grant report March 2013

2013-05-04 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Paul Johnson p...@pjcj.net [2013-05-01T16:38:26] In accordance with the terms of my grant from TPF this is the monthly report for my work on improving Devel::Cover covering March 2013. +1, thanks, Paul! -- rjbs signature.asc Description: Digital signature

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