RE: Window 7 x64, @inc search question
Well I tried upgrading to the newest Perl 5.14 which is also 64 bit capable. I discovered that Tk.pm is not yet available from ppm. So I backed off to 5.12 which says Tk.pm is available on the ppm web site. For reasons I have not yet figured out, I get timeouts accessing ppm4.activestate.com. Just as a slightly off topic question. Since my original question was answered with a top post, is this acceptable on this list? The guys on the Fedora lists get all bent out of shape if someone top posts. There are various references to incompatibilites between pm modules on 5.6 and 5.14 although I have not gotten far enough (not havimg Tk) to be sure if any of them affect the local .pm modules in my site.lib. Is there a summary of what sort of things break between 5.6 and 5.14? Sorting that out from the release notes is about as effective as ploughing ahead and just debugging. Thank you for the help. Bob From: Jan Dubois [mailto:j...@activestate.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:39 AM To: Styma, Robert E (Robert); perl-win32-users@listserv.ActiveState.com Subject: RE: Window 7 x64, @inc search question Your description on how things are looked up sounds correct. You may want to run `perl -V` to check the list of directories in @INC, and the order in which they are searched (the order of lib and site/lib has changed between 5.6 and 5.14). Cheers, -Jan From: perl-win32-users-boun...@listserv.activestate.com [mailto:perl-win32-users-boun...@listserv.activestate.com] On Behalf Of Styma, Robert E (Robert) Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:30 AM To: perl-win32-users@listserv.ActiveState.com Subject: Window 7 x64, @inc search question Robert E. Styma I have just joined this mailing list. I am responsible for an assortment of perl programs which I have inherited and am testing and adjusting to get them running under a Windows 7 X64 environment. At the time the code was written we were using Perl 5.6.1. When I discovered problems, I removed the old Perl and upgraded to: ActivePerl-5.14.2.1402-MSWin32-x64-295342.msi The problem I encountered remained the same. Here is the deal. ...\Perl\lib has a directory called File which has the file functions. In the Perl\site\lib we use there is also a directory called File which includes among other things, File\Recurse.pm. This comes up as a not found on when run on a Windows 7 x64 machine. If I copy the Recurse.pm to the ...\Perl\lib it is found. On Windows XP and Windows 7 x86 the Recurse.pm is found in the Perl\Site\Lib\File directory and the other appropriate modules are found in Perl\Lib\File. I only tested this on the Perl 5.6.1 version since it works. I suspect the problem is due to changes in the underlying OS code used to do the search. I personally think that naming the Perl\Site\Lib folder the same as a Perl\Lib folder was a poor choice. However, that is what is there and I want to make sure that this is the expected behavior before I try to untangle this with changes to the code. I am looking for confirmation that someone else has seen such behavior or that this is known to be the way it should work. If what is being done should work, then I need to figure out what to try next. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bob Styma ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: Window 7 x64, @inc search question
From: perl-win32-users-boun...@listserv.activestate.com [mailto:perl-win32-users-boun...@listserv.activestate.com] On Behalf Of Styma, Robert E (Robert) Sent: 09 January 2012 14:02 To: Jan Dubois; perl-win32-users@listserv.ActiveState.com Subject: RE: Window 7 x64, @inc search question Well I tried upgrading to the newest Perl 5.14 which is also 64 bit capable. I discovered that Tk.pm is not yet available from ppm. So I backed off to 5.12 which says Tk.pm is available on the ppm web site. For reasons I have not yet figured out, I get timeouts accessing ppm4.activestate.com. Firewall/proxy settings? That address gets me redirected to http://code.activestate.com/ppm. Looking up Tk suggests that the latest version (804.030) fails to build, and the previous version (804.029) fails some tests for Perl 5.14. Which is a shame. Fortunately for me all of my Tk scripts are all on Linux. Do you feel up to building it yourself? The above suggests that 804.029 might be the version to try, if you think you can live with the failed tests. Just as a slightly off topic question. Since my original question was answered with a top post, is this acceptable on this list? The guys on the Fedora lists get all bent out of shape if someone top posts. My preference with regard to top posting is probably with the Fedora guys, as this post might suggest. However, a lot of the posters to this list seem to prefer top posting (or just use a mail agent that encourages it). I would complain, but I think I would be swimming against the tide. Plus, I can find more interesting things to do than get worked up about it. There are various references to incompatibilites between pm modules on 5.6 and 5.14 although I have not gotten far enough (not havimg Tk) to be sure if any of them affect the local .pm modules in my site.lib. Is there a summary of what sort of things break between 5.6 and 5.14? Sorting that out from the release notes is about as effective as ploughing ahead and just debugging. The might be something in the delta documentation for core modules (see perldoc perl.*delta). For non core modules, their Changes file might be useful. HTH -- Brian Raven Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: Window 7 x64, @inc search question
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012, Brian Raven wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2012, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote: Well I tried upgrading to the newest Perl 5.14 which is also 64 bit capable. I discovered that Tk.pm is not yet available from ppm. So I backed off to 5.12 which says Tk.pm is available on the ppm web site. For reasons I have not yet figured out, I get timeouts accessing ppm4.activestate.com. Firewall/proxy settings? That address gets me redirected to http://code.activestate.com/ppm. That should only happen for the build status pages. The actual repos do live on the ppm4 site. You can check access status for the ppm repos by running these commands: $ ppm repo sync --force Downloading ActiveState Package Repository packlist...done Updating ActiveState Package Repository database...done $ ppm log Last minute of /Users/jan/Library/Logs/ppm4.log: 2012-01-09T10:16:18 6 [ppm:84] ppm help repo 2012-01-09T10:16:32 6 [ppm:84] ppm repo sync --force 2012-01-09T10:16:33 6 [Web.pm:102] GET http://ppm4.activestate.com/darwin/5.12/1204/package.xml == 200 OK (1459885 bytes in 1.20 sec - 1189 KB/s) 2012-01-09T10:16:56 6 [ppm:84] ppm log Looking up Tk suggests that the latest version (804.030) fails to build, and the previous version (804.029) fails some tests for Perl 5.14. Which is a shame. Fortunately for me all of my Tk scripts are all on Linux. I have long since given up on Tk. I don't know if things have changed, but the new maintainers seemed to care only about Linux, so things were quite broken on Windows for quite a while. And it is legacy technology now anyways, as I doubt that it will ever be updated to a newer Tk version, so things like native themed widget support, or plain native OS X support will not be possible. [...] Just as a slightly off topic question. Since my original question was answered with a top post, is this acceptable on this list? The guys on the Fedora lists get all bent out of shape if someone top posts. My preference with regard to top posting is probably with the Fedora guys, as this post might suggest. However, a lot of the posters to this list seem to prefer top posting (or just use a mail agent that encourages it). I would complain, but I think I would be swimming against the tide. Plus, I can find more interesting things to do than get worked up about it. My preference is inline replies too, but more than top posting, I do hate HTML email for inline replies. So I'll either ignore HTML posts altogether, or I'll answer them with a top posted answer... Rarely, when I really want to reply inline, I might make the effort to convert HTML messages back to plain text. But it makes me think twice if I really have to reply at all. :) Cheers, -Jan ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: Window 7 x64, @inc search question
Your description on how things are looked up sounds correct. You may want to run `perl -V` to check the list of directories in @INC, and the order in which they are searched (the order of lib and site/lib has changed between 5.6 and 5.14). Cheers, -Jan From: perl-win32-users-boun...@listserv.activestate.com [mailto:perl-win32-users-boun...@listserv.activestate.com] On Behalf Of Styma, Robert E (Robert) Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:30 AM To: perl-win32-users@listserv.ActiveState.com Subject: Window 7 x64, @inc search question Robert E. Styma I have just joined this mailing list. I am responsible for an assortment of perl programs which I have inherited and am testing and adjusting to get them running under a Windows 7 X64 environment. At the time the code was written we were using Perl 5.6.1. When I discovered problems, I removed the old Perl and upgraded to: ActivePerl-5.14.2.1402-MSWin32-x64-295342.msi The problem I encountered remained the same. Here is the deal. ...\Perl\lib has a directory called File which has the file functions. In the Perl\site\lib we use there is also a directory called File which includes among other things, File\Recurse.pm. This comes up as a not found on when run on a Windows 7 x64 machine. If I copy the Recurse.pm to the ...\Perl\lib it is found. On Windows XP and Windows 7 x86 the Recurse.pm is found in the Perl\Site\Lib\File directory and the other appropriate modules are found in Perl\Lib\File. I only tested this on the Perl 5.6.1 version since it works. I suspect the problem is due to changes in the underlying OS code used to do the search. I personally think that naming the Perl\Site\Lib folder the same as a Perl\Lib folder was a poor choice. However, that is what is there and I want to make sure that this is the expected behavior before I try to untangle this with changes to the code. I am looking for confirmation that someone else has seen such behavior or that this is known to be the way it should work. If what is being done should work, then I need to figure out what to try next. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Bob Styma ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
