[perl #32406] abs_path in Cwd 3.01 fails for any path when . is unreadable.

2004-11-12 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Christer Ekholm # Please include the string: [perl #32406] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org:80/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=32406 This is a bug report for perl from [EMAIL PROTECTED], generated with the help

[perl #32407] not initialized $_ causes SIGSEGV in Perl_sv_recode_to_utf8

2004-11-12 Thread via RT
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perl interpreter

2004-11-12 Thread gumbold
is perl interpreter multithreaded, mean can be build without fork?

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies - SAMPLE CODE

2004-11-12 Thread AllAffiliatePro Info
Sample code to create the raised issue. You'll need to remove alarm to let it happen fully. On linux set an appropriate $directorypath.alarm 30; $|=1; ## Choose operating system BEGIN { if (($^O eq 'MSWin32') || defined($ENV{'OS'})) { $operatingsystem = 0; $operatingsystemoldnt = 0;

[perl #32411] Failure when sending

2004-11-12 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Please include the string: [perl #32411] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org:80/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=32411 ## Created by TFS ## Subject: Failure when

SuSE's perl safe_putenf diff

2004-11-12 Thread Michael Schroeder
Hi Porters, here's a patch from SuSE's perl-5.8.5. It changes the putenv handling in a way so that PERL_USE_SAFE_PUTENV is defined for applications that embedded perl. It does this by adding a global variable Perl_use_safe_putenv that defaults to 1 but is cleared by perlmain. The reasoning is

RE: Storable::dclone

2004-11-12 Thread Viktor Nosov
Marcus, I have the same result if call to function from FFI library is removed. Memory leak has place only when pointer to structure is used as an argument at the function call. It prevents Perl's Garbage Collector from deallocating the structure. The problem is exposed by module Storable

Re: Suggestions to better ship Perl on OS X.

2004-11-12 Thread Edward Moy
Yes, I'm still the person. The splitting of the perl (and other projects) into different distributions has been a sore point for a long time. The historical reason for it was to make a minimum system installation fit on the minimum number of CDs. This is of less importance now that DVDs are

Re: fork question

2004-11-12 Thread Ben Morrow
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gumbold): Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 05:13:33PM +0200, gumbold wrote: From pp_sys.c : snip By this logic if have no fork and no threads, so pp_fork() would DIE? Yes. It's acceptable for perl's fork operator not to work on a given

RE: Storable::dclone

2004-11-12 Thread Viktor Nosov
Marcus, I used Convert::Binary::C to handle C structures but the result is the same: FFI prevents Perl's Garbage Collector from deallocating memory. I have to assign this bug to module FFI. Viktor. -Original Message- From: Marcus Holland-Moritz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [perl #31838] utf8 threading crash

2004-11-12 Thread John Gardiner Myers
Dave Mitchell via RT wrote: I havn't looked closely at this yet, but surely nulling PL_curpm will cause $1 etc to get lost across win32 forks Most likely. The alternative is to do a deep copy of the PMOP, possibly worrying about whether or not the last searched string was shared. There didn't

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread AllAffiliatePro Info
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 Fergal wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Save this as Timeout.pm ### package Timeout; sub import { my $pkg = shift; my $timeout = shift; $SIG{ALRM} = sub { require Carp; Carp::confess(Script timed out after $timeout seconds); };

[perl #32416] OK: perl v5.8.6 +RC1 on darwin-thread-multi-2level 7.6.0 (UNINSTALLED)

2004-11-12 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Please include the string: [perl #32416] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org:80/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=32416 This is a success report for perl from [EMAIL PROTECTED], generated with

Storable doubles memory consumption when storing

2004-11-12 Thread todd markle
Hello-- I'm getting an out of memory error when using Storable::nstore_fd on an array of a few million rows. Looking through the archive I see this thread from last May: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/perl/porters/183477 Regarding the possiblility of adding a trust_me switch to turn off

Set musings [was: Warnings when compiling Set::Object]

2004-11-12 Thread Sam Vilain
Tels wrote: I knew that it would hard to add the functionality to the module, and I dont think it is worth the added complexity. However, having Set-String (or Set-Scalar if you wish) would still be a very good thing. Set::Scalar already exists :-) Look, honestly it wouldn't be hard once you've

Re: Suggestions to better ship Perl on OS X.

2004-11-12 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 04:19:32AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: 2) perlfunc.pod is missing from default, perldoc -f breaks. Without perlfunc.pod, perldoc -f will not work. perlfunc.pod, like perldiag, is available in the very large Developer Documentation part of XCode. Same problem

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:39:04AM -, Lyle Hopkins wrote: Of course this isn't workable as everything needs to be working without any modifications to perl scripts. So I'm looking for a method of running maybe_sleep(); periodically without having to call it. Forgive me if I'm asking for

Re: Storable doubles memory consumption when storing

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 04:49:23PM -0800, todd markle wrote: Looking through the archive I see this thread from last May: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/perl/porters/183477 Regarding the possiblility of adding a trust_me switch to turn off duplicate checking. Was this ever done?

Re: Storable doubles memory consumption when storing

2004-11-12 Thread Dave Mitchell
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 11:13:58AM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: It stalled because the person who was going to do the work wanted to refactor the interface first in a way that still used global state. I saw this as bringing negative benefits, as the real need is to refactor the interface to

Re: [perl #31838] utf8 threading crash

2004-11-12 Thread Dave Mitchell
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:36:20AM -0800, John Gardiner Myers wrote: Dave Mitchell via RT wrote: I havn't looked closely at this yet, but surely nulling PL_curpm will cause $1 etc to get lost across win32 forks Most likely. The alternative is to do a deep copy of the PMOP, possibly

Re: [perl #1154] -pi doesn't sanely handle write errors

2004-11-12 Thread Morty Abzug
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 03:46:36AM -, Steve Peters via RT wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pi_test $ perl -pi- -e'exit' test Can't rename test to test-: Permission denied, skipping file. It seems to have been fixed somewhere prior to Perl 5.8.5. That didn't duplicate the steps that led to the

Smoke [5.8.6] 23488 FAIL(FM) openvms V7.2 (VAX_7000-720/2 cpu)

2004-11-12 Thread Abe Timmerman
Automated smoke report for 5.8.6 patch 23488 FAFNER: VAX_7000-720 (VAX_7000-720/2 cpu) onopenvms - V7.2 using CC/DECC version 60490005 smoketime 9 hours 40 minutes (average 3 hours 13 minutes) Summary: FAIL(FM) O = OK F = Failure(s), extended report at the bottom X =

RES: Storable doubles memory consumption when storing

2004-11-12 Thread Vitor
Nick, I'm going to prepare the version with the global variable hack (replacing the refactor idea), and submit it, ok? I just wanted to refactor it, because i saw some bad comments about the interface :-; Regards, Vitor -Mensagem original- De: Nicholas Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:33:04AM -, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: Of course this isn't workable as everything needs to be working without any modifications to perl scripts. So I'm looking for a method of running maybe_sleep(); periodically without having to call it. Forgive me if I'm

Re: Suggestions to better ship Perl on OS X.

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:36:54AM -0800, Edward Moy wrote: Yes, I'm still the person. The splitting of the perl (and other Are there any other issues along these lines that I can use as an argument to keep perl together? I need to convince the group that does the actual packaging of the

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fergal Daly writes: Save this as Timeout.pm ### package Timeout; sub import { my $pkg = shift; my $timeout = shift; $SIG{ALRM} = sub { require Carp; Carp::confess(Script timed out after $timeout seconds); };

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:49:10AM -0800, Justin Mason wrote: FWIW, this'll work well on perl 5.6.x -- but perl 5.8.x cannot trap signals inside a single OP if I recall correctly. This means that an out-of-control regexp match is unkillable. That is one bug we've run into in SpamAssassin a

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Fergal Daly
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:49:10AM -0800, Justin Mason wrote: Hi Fergal! FWIW, this'll work well on perl 5.6.x -- but perl 5.8.x cannot trap signals inside a single OP if I recall correctly. This means that an out-of-control regexp match is unkillable. That is one bug we've run into in

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Justin Mason wrote: FWIW, this'll work well on perl 5.6.x -- but perl 5.8.x cannot trap signals inside a single OP if I recall correctly. This means that an out-of-control regexp match is unkillable. That is one bug we've run into in SpamAssassin a few times, and it'd be nice to get back

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:11:29PM +, Fergal Daly wrote: On the whole I don't really think that Perl or Python or whatever should actully be responsible for timing itself out, all this throttling etc is far better handled by the OS, I think that as it should be possible to do this from a

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 16:30:10AM -, Fergal Daly wrote: On the whole I don't really think that Perl or Python or whatever should actully be responsible for timing itself out, all this throttling etc is far better handled by the OS, Not sure I agree completely. Throttling, etc would be better

Re: [perl #32407] not initialized $_ causes SIGSEGV in Perl_sv_recode_to_utf8

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:23:42AM -, ae5t-ksn @ asahi-net. or. jp wrote: When I run the following command line, perl dies with SIGSEGV. perl -Mencoding=utf-8 -e 'chomp' With gdb, it dies at Perl_sv_recode_to_utf8(). I encountered this bug by perl 5.8.4 on Debian (sid). Some my

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Fergal Daly
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:41:25PM -, Lyle Hopkins wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 16:30:10AM -, Fergal Daly wrote: On the whole I don't really think that Perl or Python or whatever should actully be responsible for timing itself out, all this throttling etc is far better handled by

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 16:43:29 +, Nicholas Clark wrote: I think that as it should be possible to do this from a loaded module (although probably it needs XS) it therefore doesn't belong in the C code. As others have said, the -M option to perl means that you can load it and set parameters

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies - SAMPLE CODE

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:17:38PM -, AllAffiliatePro Info wrote: Sample code to create the raised issue. You'll need to remove alarm to let it happen fully. On linux set an appropriate $directorypath.alarm 30; $|=1; You have a loop that will probably never terminate right about...

Re: Suggestions to better ship Perl on OS X.

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:03:35AM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: Not an OS X user, but I wonder if the same applies to perldoc -q and perlfaq*.pod. Oooh. Good catch. [~] perldoc -q foo No documentation found for perlfaq1. No documentation found for perlfaq2. No documentation found for

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rafael Garcia-Suarez writes: Justin Mason wrote: FWIW, this'll work well on perl 5.6.x -- but perl 5.8.x cannot trap signals inside a single OP if I recall correctly. This means that an out-of-control regexp match is unkillable. That

Re: [perl #32407] not initialized $_ causes SIGSEGV in Perl_sv_recode_to_utf8

2004-11-12 Thread Dave Mitchell
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 11:53:11AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:23:42AM -, ae5t-ksn @ asahi-net. or. jp wrote: When I run the following command line, perl dies with SIGSEGV. perl -Mencoding=utf-8 -e 'chomp' With gdb, it dies at

Re: [perl #32407] not initialized $_ causes SIGSEGV in Perl_sv_recode_to_utf8

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:18:51PM +, Dave Mitchell wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 11:53:11AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:23:42AM -, ae5t-ksn @ asahi-net. or. jp wrote: When I run the following command line, perl dies with SIGSEGV. perl

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies - SAMPLE CODE

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 17:22:38 -, Michael G Schwern wrote: Sample code to create the raised issue. You'll need to remove alarm to let it happen fully. On linux set an appropriate $directorypath.alarm 30; $|=1; You have a loop that will probably never terminate right about... until

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Orton, Yves
At a guess I would put that down to a problem with the UI for task killing and how usable it is when the system is stressed. No it a permissions problem. Users cant kill jobs started as SYSTEM (iirc). I know that ive experienced this problem myself, and sometimes the _only_ solution is to

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 17:17:25 -, Fergal Daly wrote: At a guess I would put that down to a problem with the UI for task killing and how usable it is when the system is stressed. An OS that genuinely cannot stop a process has a serious bug (I'm not just having a go at windows here by the

[bleadperl] make install error: Can't locate Carp/Heavy.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib) at lib/warnings.pm line 452.

2004-11-12 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Hello, Getting this error when running `make install`: Can't locate Carp/Heavy.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib) at lib/warnings.pm line 452. I tried to install with prefix /tmp/usr like so: Policy.sh contains this line: installprefix='/tmp/usr' Is there another recommended way to install in a

[perl #32419] Spelling fixes for perl@23492

2004-11-12 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Richard Soderberg # Please include the string: [perl #32419] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org:80/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=32419 This is a variety of spelling fixes for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I studiously

Re: [perl #1154] -pi doesn't sanely handle write errors

2004-11-12 Thread Morty Abzug
It occurs to me that I never included a demo of how to create an artificial space problem for testing purposes. Here is such a script; requires root on a modern linux system. #!/bin/sh # script to demo problem of perl not detecting write errors with -pi # requires root on a linux system

[PATCH] Small documentation fix to ExtUtils::Constant

2004-11-12 Thread steve
While using ExtUtils::Constant, I ran into some issues including the created file into the XS. After checking a couple other XS-based modules, I found that the issue was the documentation. Included here is the patch to fix the documentation. ---

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:49:10AM -0800, Justin Mason wrote: FWIW, this'll work well on perl 5.6.x -- but perl 5.8.x cannot trap signals inside a single OP if I recall correctly. This means that an out-of-control regexp match is unkillable. That is one bug we've run into in SpamAssassin a few

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:40:20PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: Personally I think the key aspect of whatever solution happens is that A) it _must_ be core endorsed. B) activestate needs to make sure they are involved. A is important because many admin types will do absolutely zilch if it isnt,

Re: [perl #32407] not initialized $_ causes SIGSEGV in Perl_sv_recode_to_utf8

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:22:04PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: p5p - which file should a regression test go in? ext/Encode/t/encoding.t? -- Michael G Schwern[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ If you got the wax out of your ears you could hear the twister picking up the

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Orton, Yves
Like the hundreds of CPAN modules which are not endorsed by p5p and don't appear in the docs yet somehow manage to be successful? This is a specious comparison. We are talking about dealing with server web farms where getting admins to install anything non-standard is particularly difficult.

Re: Mandatory peephole optimizations

2004-11-12 Thread Larry Wall
On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 10:33:27AM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: : On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:34:13PM +, Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : That sounds really messy. I'd much prefer it if the code got split cleanly : into multiple functions. I'm not sure if that's 2 : : 1:

Re: Mandatory peephole optimizations

2004-11-12 Thread Dave Mitchell
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:21:51AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote: [ an explanation of how Perl actually builds its optree ] I've added the bulk of your description to the top of op.c for future generations to savour/ignore as appropriate. One thing I've never understood is what purpose op_next serves

Re: [bleadperl] make install error: Can't locate Carp/Heavy.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib) at lib/warnings.pm line 452.

2004-11-12 Thread Andy Dougherty
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Getting this error when running `make install`: Can't locate Carp/Heavy.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib) at lib/warnings.pm line 452. I tried to install with prefix /tmp/usr like so: Policy.sh contains this line: installprefix='/tmp/usr' Is

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:40:20PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: At a guess I would put that down to a problem with the UI for task killing and how usable it is when the system is stressed. No it a permissions problem. Users cant kill jobs started as SYSTEM (iirc). I know that ive experienced this

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 19:06:20 -, Michael G Schwern wrote: Like the hundreds of CPAN modules which are not endorsed by p5p and don't appear in the docs yet somehow manage to be successful? If we're going to endorse anything do it by adding a perlfaq entry on how to handle runaway

[perl #32342] Perl binmode problem on cygwin text mount

2004-11-12 Thread Steve Peters via RT
[quietdragon - Fri Nov 05 15:59:26 2004]: This is a bug report for perl from [EMAIL PROTECTED], generated with the help of perlbug 1.35 running under perl v5.8.5. - [Please enter your report here] Perl v5.8.5 does not

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:00:17PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: Like the hundreds of CPAN modules which are not endorsed by p5p and don't appear in the docs yet somehow manage to be successful? This is a specious comparison. We are talking about dealing with server web farms where getting

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 19:06:20 -, Orton, Yves wrote: Like the hundreds of CPAN modules which are not endorsed by p5p and don't appear in the docs yet somehow manage to be successful? This is a specious comparison. We are talking about dealing with server web farms where getting admins

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 20:44 -, Nicholas Clark wrote: Which makes me think that actually what really matters is whether ActiveState pick it up and distribute it with their bundle. I'm guessing that 90% of the problem is solved if it comes as standard with ActivePerl, and that only about 10%

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Orton, Yves
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:00:17PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: Like the hundreds of CPAN modules which are not endorsed by p5p and don't appear in the docs yet somehow manage to be successful? This is a specious comparison. We are talking about dealing with

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:00:17PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: I disagree. Having modules in the core is one of the few ways to guarantee that the module will be uniformly available. Its very unlikely to get into the core. To summarize the (unofficial?) core policy on modules (unless something

Re: [PATCH] Small documentation fix to ExtUtils::Constant

2004-11-12 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Fri 12 Nov 2004 18:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While using ExtUtils::Constant, I ran into some issues including the created file into the XS. After checking a couple other XS-based modules, I found that the issue was the documentation. Included here is the patch to fix the

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 03:48:18PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:00:17PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: I disagree. Having modules in the core is one of the few ways to guarantee that the module will be uniformly available. Its very unlikely to get into the core.

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 08:58:03PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: We have some regression tests that can manage to go bad and eat CPU forever. Mmm, sounds like a Dr Fun caption. When tests go bad Nicholas Clark

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Orton, Yves
Michael G Schwern wrote on 12 November 2004 21:48 On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:00:17PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: I disagree. Having modules in the core is one of the few ways to guarantee that the module will be uniformly available. Its very unlikely to get into the core. That's really

Re: [perl #32419] Spelling fixes for perl@23492

2004-11-12 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Fri 12 Nov 2004 17:14, Richard Soderberg (via RT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # New Ticket Created by Richard Soderberg # Please include the string: [perl #32419] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL:

Re: Smoke [5.8.6] 23493 FAIL(FMm) openvms E8.2 (AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB/1 cpu)

2004-11-12 Thread Abe Timmerman
Op een grimmige herfstdag (Friday 12 November 2004 17:22),schreef Abe Timmerman: Automated smoke report for 5.8.6 patch 23493 FASOLT: AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB (AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB/1 cpu) onopenvms - E8.2 using CC/DECC version 60290003 smoketime 4 hours 9

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Orton, Yves wrote: Hell there are masses of places out there that wont even install DBI or CGI because they arent/werent part of core for the version they have installed. CGI is part of the core, and honestly, I wish it wouldn't. It mixes several functionalities, it's quite large, there are

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 03:48:18PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: Its very unlikely to get into the core. Perl is a general purpose programming language used by large numbers of people for large numbers of things. This is true. But what it perl's largest and most popular application? Many

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote on 12 November 2004 21:39 CGI is part of the core, and honestly, I wish it wouldn't. It mixes several functionalities, it's quite large, there are lightweight replacements for parts of it, it's aging, etc. Could this be because part of your job is to pick CGI modules

Re: [perl #32419] Spelling fixes for perl@23492

2004-11-12 Thread Jim Cromie
Richard Soderberg (via RT) wrote: # New Ticket Created by Richard Soderberg # Please include the string: [perl #32419] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org:80/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=32419 This is a variety of spelling fixes for

Re: [perl #32400] Unnecessary warning from constant.pm

2004-11-12 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Anno Siegel (via RT) wrote: The constant pragma warns Constant name '_123_456' has unknown problems at... when you try to define a constant that begins with _ and consists only of digits and _. In other contexts, these are valid identifiers, and the wording in perldata ...

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Lyle Hopkins wrote: Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote on 12 November 2004 21:39 CGI is part of the core, and honestly, I wish it wouldn't. It mixes several functionalities, it's quite large, there are lightweight replacements for parts of it, it's aging, etc. Could this be because part of your

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote on 12 November 2004 22:02 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why it could not be updated independently of the core, whether it's a part of the core or not. Or are you just talking about RPM updates? Right, I'm talking about package updates, be they RPMs, DEBs,

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:43:48PM +0100, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: To take an example, in Mandrakelinux, it has been put out of the core, in its own RPM. Why ? So it can be installed independently, and, (more importantly), updated independently (e.g. for security advisories.) Correct

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Michael G Schwern
I agree with Nick. This argument is sucking away tuits from writing the actual implementation. Vaporware certainly doesn't belong in the core. Get something working, put it on CPAN, get folks using it and get people agreeing that its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then we'll talk.

Re: Smoke [5.8.6] 23493 FAIL(FMm) openvms E8.2 (AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB/1 cpu)

2004-11-12 Thread Abe Timmerman
Op een grimmige herfstdag (Friday 12 November 2004 17:22),schreef Abe Timmerman: Automated smoke report for 5.8.6 patch 23493 FASOLT: AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB (AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB/1 cpu) onopenvms - E8.2 using CC/DECC version 60290003 smoketime 4 hours 9

RE: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Lyle Hopkins
I agree with Nick. This argument is sucking away tuits from writing the actual implementation agreeing that its the greatest thing since sliced bread I think we can all agree on that. I'm working on it now. Hopefully I'll have an imperfect but working version soon that I'll show you. Then

Re: Runaway process problems for hosting companies

2004-11-12 Thread Fergal Daly
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:40:20PM -, Orton, Yves wrote: At a guess I would put that down to a problem with the UI for task killing and how usable it is when the system is stressed. No it a permissions problem. Users cant kill jobs started as SYSTEM (iirc). I know that ive experienced

Re: SuSE's perl safe_putenf diff

2004-11-12 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Michael Schroeder wrote: here's a patch from SuSE's perl-5.8.5. It changes the putenv handling in a way so that PERL_USE_SAFE_PUTENV is defined for applications that embedded perl. It does this by adding a global variable Perl_use_safe_putenv that defaults to 1 but is cleared by perlmain.

(?{...}) outside of patterns

2004-11-12 Thread Dave Mitchell
I'm currently working on a patch to handle (?{...}) code snippets better. The main thing is does is that tokeniser recognises these within patterns and spits them out for the parser to compile, rather than leaving then for the regexp compiler, ie /abc(?{$x++})def$foo/ currrently gets

Re: Smoke [5.8.6] 23493 FAIL(FMm) openvms E8.2 (AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB/1 cpu)

2004-11-12 Thread Craig A. Berry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Abe Timmerman) wrote: Op een grimmige herfstdag (Friday 12 November 2004 17:22),schreef Abe Timmerman: Automated smoke report for 5.8.6 patch 23493 FASOLT: AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB (AlphaServer_4X00_5/400_4MB/1 cpu) on

Re: [perl #32419] Spelling fixes for perl@23492

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Soderberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:Work/p4/cpanplus/devel/ for i in lib/CPANPLUS.pm lib/**/*.pm; do podspell $i $i.txt cp $i.txt{,.orig} open -e $i.txt; done That's what I started out with; merging the post-spellchecked diffs back into the code was the slowest part. - R. On 12 Nov 2004 21:36:03 -, Jim

Re: (?{...}) outside of patterns

2004-11-12 Thread David Nicol
It sounds like you're saying that we want to move the check for literals of any sort appearing immediately after a binding operator to happen earlier. Is that a fair paraphrase?

Re: 5.8.6 RC1

2004-11-12 Thread Stas Bekman
Nicholas Clark wrote: [...] Currently it's at http://www.ccl4.org/~nick/P/perl-5.8.6-RC1.tar.bz2 Both, mod_perl 1 and 2 test suites seem to be happy with RC1 on linux. -- __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl

Re: Mandatory peephole optimizations

2004-11-12 Thread Rick Delaney
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:29:51PM +, Dave Mitchell wrote: One thing I've never understood is what purpose op_next serves prior to calling peep(). Do you mean in code like this (selected at random)? CvSTART(cv) = LINKLIST(CvROOT(cv)); CvROOT(cv)-op_next = 0;

Re: Mandatory peephole optimizations

2004-11-12 Thread Tassilo von Parseval
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:21:51AM -0800 Larry Wall wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 10:33:27AM -0800, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: : On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:34:13PM +, Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : That sounds really messy. I'd much prefer it if the code got split

Smoke [5.9.2] 23497 FAIL(M) MSWin32 WinXP/.Net SP1 (x86/1 cpu)

2004-11-12 Thread Steve Hay
Automated smoke report for 5.9.2 patch 23497 TANGAROA.uk.radan.com: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz(~1992 MHz) (x86/1 cpu) onMSWin32 - WinXP/.Net SP1 using cl version 12.00.8804 smoketime 6 hours 9 minutes (average 11 minutes 33 seconds) Summary: FAIL(M) O = OK F =

Re: Mandatory peephole optimizations

2004-11-12 Thread Larry Wall
: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 07:29:51PM +, Dave Mitchell wrote: : One thing I've never understood is what purpose op_next serves prior to : calling peep(). It serves exactly the same purpose as after calling peep(), *except* for that temporary top-level op_next which holds the start

Re: Suggestions to better ship Perl on OS X.

2004-11-12 Thread Matt Sergeant
On 12 Nov 2004, at 17:09, Michael G Schwern wrote: Anything else perldoc likes to scan? Basically *.pod - I'd like to see things like perlguts.pod included - there are many times I may be programming in an ssh session to another box that I'd like to bring up a local shell for the docs.