Both Luke and I missed the fact that my mail and his response went
only to each other so, with his permission, here it is as a forward.
--Dks
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From: Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 5, 2005 1:48:54 AM EDT
To: David Storrs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:04:57PM -0700, Joshua Hoblitt via RT wrote:
I do not have access to the same machine any longer so I have retested
with solaris 2.8 , gcc 3.2.1 and the 2005-10-05_071500 parrot
snapshot. This fails during make with the following
perl -e 'chdir shift @ARGV; system
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Eric wrote:
I'd just like to say that I find B a bit misleading because you couldn't
tell that the first list ended, it could just have undef's at the end. I
Well, OTOH undef is now a more complex object than it used to be, so there
may be cheap workarounds. Of course one
On Oct 5, 2005, at 1:17, Matt Fowles wrote:
Here Doc in PIR
Will Coleda revived a thread from February about PIR here doc
syntax.
Looks like the syntax is ok.
Jonathan Worthington has already implemented here doc syntax.
Data::Escape::String Dislikes Unicode
Will
Playing with pugs, I ran into this corner case:
sub f($x) { say $x; }
f {1}.(); # ok, outputs 1
sub f([EMAIL PROTECTED]) { say @_; }
f {1}.(); # outputs block, tries to call a method from the return of say,
dies
Whitespace after f doesn't change the behaviour (in either case). Is this
behaviour
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote in perl.perl6.language :
I would like is sensitive to be defined to mean that any data stored
in that variable, at any level of recursion, will be zeroed out as
soon as it is garbage collected. Particular implementations can add
extra features on top of
On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Nik Clayton wrote:
I don't have strong opinions about this yet, but has anyone else
looked at the Perl::Critic suite of modules on CPAN?
It occurs to me that:
a) Kwalitee metrics could quite easily be implemented as
Perl::Critic plugins.
b) The plugins that
Unless someone wants to start helping implement this right now, I'd ask
that you not spend too much time on anything that relates to
Kwalitee/PPI integration (which includes Perl::Critic).
There's a couple of steps that have to be taken in order to make this
happen, and I'm working through
Brent,
Why not post the original query to p6compiler for their take on it?
Carl
On 10/4/05, Miroslav Silovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Playing with pugs, I ran into this corner case:
sub f($x) { say $x; }
f {1}.(); # ok, outputs 1
sub f([EMAIL PROTECTED]) { say @_; }
f {1}.(); # outputs block, tries to call a method from the return of say,
dies
Whitespace after f
* Chris Dolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-05 12:20]:
Things that PPI/Perl::Critic could judge that might lead to
quantitative, non-controversial metrics:
Pretty good suggests, but I think the following may have to be
lessened:
* what's the ratio of globals to subroutines? (smaller is better)
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This patch updates t/library/pcre.t.
'isnull' becomes 'if_null'.
François
On Oct 5, 2005, at 6:18 AM, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
* what's the ratio of globals to subroutines? (smaller is better)
Does that include file-scoped lexicals? ’Cause in that case I
disagree – I’m just overhauling a module, in which process I’m
also moving it to inside-out object style, and so
HaloO,
Luke Palmer wrote:
On 10/4/05, Miroslav Silovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Playing with pugs, I ran into this corner case:
sub f($x) { say $x; }
f {1}.(); # ok, outputs 1
IIRC, this puts f into the named unary precedence level
which is below method postfix. Thus we get
(f ({1}.()))
On 10/5/05, TSa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC, this puts f into the named unary precedence level
which is below method postfix.
We're trying to stop using the words below and above for
precedence. Use looser and tighter instead, as there is not
ambiguity with those.
(f ({1}.()))
((f
HaloO,
Luke Palmer wrote:
On 10/1/05, David Storrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All in all, I think that might just be the end of the tunnel up
ahead. Go us for getting here, and loud applause to @Larry for
guiding us so well!
Applause for p6l for hashing out the issues that we didn't think
Luke Palmer wrote:
With parentheses:
print((length foo) 4)
print(3 4)
So this was quite a disturbing bug.
This is now also quite a fixed bug. :-)
However:
f:{1}.()
still parses as
(f(:{1})).()
as the adverbial block form takes precedence. Is that also wrong?
The new version of Test::More from Sep 23rd improved the STDERR output
on test failure. Unfortunately, this has accidentally broken
Test::Builder::Tester's test_fail function. (and maybe other
test-testing modules)
http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bug.html?id=14936
T:B:Tester is used by about 26
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 22:58:28 -0700, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
For the last couple days, I've been implementing a cryptographic
cipher framework for Perl 6. (It's in the Pugs repository if you want
to see it.) Dealing with this sort of algorithm has brought forward a
feature that I
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:17:05 +0200, TSa wrote:
Piers Cawley wrote:
Exactly which exception is continued?
The bottommost one. If you want to return to somewhere up its call
chain, do:
$!.caller(n).continue(42)
Whow, how does a higher level exception catcher *in general* know
what
From: Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 5, 2005 1:48:54 AM EDT
To: David Storrs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: zip: stop when and where?
Reply-To: Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10/4/05, David Storrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about:
@foo = ('a', 'b', 'c');
for @foo ¥ 1..6
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Leopold Toetsch via RT wrote:
On Oct 4, 2005, at 19:06, Andrew Dougherty wrote:
src/inter_create.c:400: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer
will
break strict-aliasing rules
The line reads:
LVALUE_CAST(char *, p) += ALIGNED_CTX_SIZE;
Damian Conway skribis 2005-10-05 10:05 (+1000):
I suspect that the dwimmiest default would be for Czip to stop zipping at
the length of the shortest finite argument. And to fail unless all finite
arguments are of the same length.
This is a nice compromise.
But what if you cannot know
I guess nobody mentioned this, so I don't know how people on perl-language
feel about 'do it the same was as language', but I took a small jump into
Haskell a while back (barely enough to consider myself a beginner), but even
after just a little bit of time with it, I think I'd almost expect the
On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 16:26 +0200, TSa wrote:
I recently wrote a Perl 6 design TODO, which was surprizingly small,
which enumerated the things to be done before I considered the design
of Perl 6 to be finished. Larry replied with a couple more items.
The type system is not on this list,
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 16:57:51 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:17:05 +0200, TSa wrote:
Piers Cawley wrote:
Exactly which exception is continued?
The bottommost one. If you want to return to somewhere up its call
chain, do:
$!.caller(n).continue(42)
Whow,
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:22:40PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
Please ignore these bad reports. I've contacted Schwern to get that
specific change to Test::More backed out ASAP. These problem, if you get
any, should go away shortly.
Given that the repair alternatives are to backout the
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 03:43:50AM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
* Rolling back the change is a pain in my ass.
BTW, this shouldn't be true.
It shouldn't because I should have long ago writen a routine to check my
diagnostics instead of hard coding it all over the tests.
Just grab the
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Hi,
currently 'examples/assembly' contains PASM and PIR code.
As this is
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 03:39:59AM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
If we start with everything broken and try to gradually fix it, we're
going to have little errors here and there for a long time.
AFAIK there is only one module of consequence which does screen scraping
on Test::More and that's
On 10/5/05, Autrijus Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However:
f:{1}.()
still parses as
(f(:{1})).()
as the adverbial block form takes precedence. Is that also wrong?
No, that seems right to me, much in the same way that:
$x.{1}.{2}
Binds to the left.
Luke
On 10/5/05, Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 16:57:51 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:17:05 +0200, TSa wrote:
Whow, how does a higher level exception catcher *in general* know
what type it should return and how to construct it? The innocent
Apocalypse 12 has the following to say about roles and trust
(http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/04/16/a12.html?page=10)
It's not clear whether roles should be allowed to grant
trust. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I'm
inclined to say not.
In Perl 5, I recently found myself in
Luke Palmer wrote:
Of course, exactly how this public interface is declared is quite undefined.
Reading this thread, I find myself wondering how a resumable exception
differs from a dynamically scropted function. Imagine this code:
sub FileNotWriteable( Str $filename ) {
die can't write
On 10/5/05, Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sub _attributes {
my ($self, $attrs) = @_;
return $$attrs if UNIVERSAL::isa( $attrs, 'SCALAR' );
my @attributes = UNIVERSAL::isa( $attrs, 'HASH' )
? %$attrs : @$attrs;
return unless @attributes;
# more code here
}
--- Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sub _attributes($ref) {
my multi attributes ($scalar) { $$scalar }
my multi attributes (@array) { @array }
my multi attributes (%hash) { %hash }
attributes($ref)
}
That attributes look suspiciously
On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 17:05 -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
I'm wondering if this wouldn't be better split up into RT tickets
similar to the way TODOs are handled. Having everything in one coherent
document is great but I suspect that significantly lowers the odds of
the individual items being
Michael G Schwern wrote:
AFAIK there is only one module of consequence which does screen scraping
on Test::More and that's Test::Builder::Tester (Test::Warn, it turns out,
fails because of Test::Builder::Tester). Fix that, upload a new version
and the problem goes away.
Nit: does
I've been thinking about this issue some more and it occurs to me that we
might be thinking about this the wrong way.
Providing a :fillin() adverb on Czip is a suboptimal solution, because it
implies that you would always want to fill in *any* gap with the same value.
While that's likely in a
On Oct 5, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Damian Conway wrote:
Providing a :fillin() adverb on Czip is a suboptimal solution,
because it implies that you would always want to fill in *any* gap
with the same value. While that's likely in a two-way zip, it seems
much less likely in a multiway zip.
I
David Storrs asked:
If you want a multiway zip with
differing fillins, can't you do this?
@foo = 1..10 ¥:fill(0) 'a'..c' ¥:fill('x') ¥ 1..50;
I don't think that works. For example, why does the :fill(0) of the first ¥
apply to the 1..10 argument instead of to the 'a'..'c' argument?
On 10/5/05, Damian Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I now propose that Czip works like this:
Czip interleaves elements from each of its arguments until
any argument is (a) exhausted of elements Iand (b) doesn't have
a Cfill property.
Once Czip stops
Luke wrote:
Once Czip stops zipping, if any other element has a known finite
number of unexhausted elements remaining, the zip fails.
Wow, that's certainly not giving the user any credit.
Actually, I want to be careful because I give the users too much credit. For
On Oct 5, 2005, at 12:11 AM, Joshua Hoblitt via RT wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tue Jun 07 02:29:24 2005]:
A 'make test' of parrot failed some tests on Linux/m68k.
Here is the contents of myconfig:
Summary of my parrot 0.2.1 (r8279) configuration:
configdate='Mon Jun 6 03:37:27 2005'
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Didn't notice this earlier because the whole japh.t is
reported as succeeding
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