head3 :numbered
=cut
method foo($bar, $baz) {
...
}
=head3 Cfoo(RbarC, RbazC)
...
Is that =head3 numbered, or is it in a different lexical scope?
(Actually, I don't see any reference to =cut in this spec. Is it
still there or not?)
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somewhere deep in the bowels of the test
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not sure about the last two (in a lot of ways, they're more like
:= than = ), but it's certainly far better than the status quo. I
suppose that copying looks like:
S0 := copy S1
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Chip Salzenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 12:14:24PM -0800, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
I'm not sure about the last two (in a lot of ways, they're more like
:= than = ),
I don't see that.
Well, for one thing, my way would mean that `set` is always
certainly wrote
List::Part based on that discussion...
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as strong today may be broken tomorrow (or in ten
years).
From what I've read, that was one of the conclusions of NIST's recent
hash workshop. (The other is that cryptographers need to do a lot of
theoretical work on hashing--they don't really know how to design a
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to do unambiguously: just override the Perl 6
grammar's identifier rule. All the edge cases will be resolved by the
longest token principle, so `foo-bar-baz` will be an identifier.
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out of date; that should probably be rectified.)
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dot; you'll thank yourself later.
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.
Some of us could make either kind of joke. But perhaps it wouldn't
be kind.
Flavor. (Shades of CLOS, but we're already building the most flexible
object system since it...)
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)Greater than
/ Anonymous rule Divide
? Boolify
There are very few unary operators available, and none (besides the
user-defined backticks operator) unused in both term and operator
context.
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of syntactic sugar for
inserting `call` in the method body, but that's an implementation
detail, really...
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their implementation is inconvenient
is not The Perl Way. If it were, Perl 6 would be Java With Sigils.
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no point in supporting the feature at all.
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on an incomplete understanding of the problem. I wrote the optimized
int stack too for the rx ops--are you planning on keeping that?
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or making sure a
destructor is correctly called), and optimizers have been known to
helpfully remove such code. Many higher-level languages, including
Perl 5, make it hard to know when a piece of data is being
overwritten, rather than a pointer being changed.
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still want this change to be
considered?
Certainly. Note that the naming conventions are now being followed by
Interp and friends.
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, not adjectives.
But Pugs's internal type names are fairly irrelevant, as long as they
have the right names on the outside.
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;
return [EMAIL PROTECTED] #but true;
}
return;
}
I rather like that non-lexical use of junctions.
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and
the Perl Foundation, especially my mentor at TPF, Ovid. Nor would
this project be possible wtihout the efforts of the Perl 6 design team
and the Pugs implementation team. Thanks to everyone involved.
Share and enjoy,
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AUTHOR
Curtis Rawls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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;
$spot.can('bark');# Not until he's instantiated...
On the gripping hand, maybe you should have to ask the metaclass about
that anyway:
$spot.meta.class_can('bark');#No
$spot.meta.instance_can('bark');#Yes
Hmm.
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TSa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you wrote:
Perl 6 in its unannotated form is also (mostly) a typeless languages,
with only the five builtin types, much like Perl 5 is.
Counting the sigil quadriga as 4, what is the fifth element?
And $it.does(LookGood)?
$ @ % ::
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subscripting does?
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database
engine and the Perl 5 DBI drivers to access it.
I am rather excited about this project, and I hope you will be too.
Share and enjoy,
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comma between adverbial pairs, and even
omit parens around method call arguments? Is .assuming a special form?
Isn't this just another form of the syntactic rule that gives us
@array.grep:{ ... } ?
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probably be a global
setting, not a lexical one.
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Will Coleda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the plan for the regular expression ops, given PGE?
As the guy who wrote them, I think at this point that they're
basically unsalvageable, save the intstacks and *maybe* the bitmap
handling code.
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, keeping
an array of weak references, or waving a wooden wand and yelling
Accio objects is completely up to the metaclass in question.
(Sorry, been reading too much Potter lately...)
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*.
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On 21/07/05, Adriano Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But is there any other case where we need an explicit tail call with goto?
When the callee uses `caller
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invoked as a tail call.
Of course, this adds *another* piece of syntax to an already large
language, so I'm not sure if it's a good idea.
Am I missing something? How do you think a tail method call should be
performed?
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type or something
similarly silly.
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desktop.
My x86/Gentoo server is unaffected.
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, a simple name like alias is ambiguous about argument
order, where an operator isn't.)
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will be able to support
Ruby, then it will be able to support this function, too.
As I've said before, Perl supports `alias`--it's just spelled `:=`.
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that when [EMAIL PROTECTED] != [EMAIL PROTECTED], the
shorter one got
extended with undefs...
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fold
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like that, the compiler should emit a PIR directive
saying anything goes in this section. Perhaps some languages will
always do that, but that's the price of working in those languages.
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possible.
Hmm...maybe the answer is that most destruction isn't guaranteed to be
timely, and any object which *is* guaranteed to have timely
destruction is illegal to close over unless the programmer marks it as
okay. Or maybe that's only with an appropriate stricture...
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Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no way to get an anonymous rw scalar, is there?
There's always the Perl 5 hack:
\do { my $x }
Although that's not truly anonymous, I suppose.
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On 5/23/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, this new machine needs a hostname. Please help me think of a cute
name! I prefer a short hostname with less than 9 letters.
I seem to remember that the camel's name is Abigail...
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Andy Bach wrote off-list:
Isn't Abigail the golfer, YA excellent PH, FunWithPerl, er guy?
I think camels are Fido and Amelia:
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node=31716
You're right, of course. I knew it was one of those A names...
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intercaps modules are normal (modules and
classes). Similarly, all-lowercase types are special (unboxed), while
intercaps types are normal (boxed classes).
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...)
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---/.
I think that means this should be in core.
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thread, but I'm certainly not attached to those keywords.)
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at compile time what is the value/trait name and its
value.
Well, the value's pretty easy--just pass in a variable:
my $b = $a is foo($bar);
As for the name, I'd be surprised if the standard symbolic-ref syntax
didn't work:
my $b = $a is ::($foo)($bar);
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On 5/13/05, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 12:26:22PM -0700, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
: my $b = $a is foo($bar);
As we currently have it, that is not legal syntax. is may only
be applied to declarations.
Sorry, think-o. I meant 'but' in my examples
the default parameter binding is constant reference,
last I checked.
I actually like that answer. It means that you can bind the return
value, but you can't mutate it, unless the function 'is rw'. (And
perhaps you could mark it as 'is copy' and 'is ref', too...)
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that tags each result with the operands that created it, allowing
junctions to be used for the stuff people currently complain they
can't be.
multi sub *infixmetaop:[ ] ( $lhs, $rhs ) {
return call but operands($lhs, $rhs);
}
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).
To start off the name game:
`is deferred`? `is closure`, `is coderef`, `is sub`? `is condition`?
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
junctions.) When you see a declaration like:
my Foo $bar;
Think of it as being like:
my $bar where { $_ ~~ Foo };
If the latter, then what is the type of Yes|1?
I suspect it's `Disjunction of Str | Int`.
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I used to have
?
sub foo(Any | Junction $bar) { ... }
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
future:
Px := Py set Px, Py
Px = Pyassign Px, Py
This would much more resemble the HLL's (and programmers) POV.
Sounds like a good idea to me. For completeness, can we come up with
a clone operator? Perhaps:
Px - Py
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Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Assuming we
rehuffmanize kill to sendsignal or some such, we have:
signal is a verb as well as a noun.
sub alarm ($secs) {
{ signal $*PID, Signal::ALARM }.cue(:delay($secs));
}
It even reads pretty nicely: signal 4242.
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context and one-element array context?
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
.)
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
Subversion.
SVN revision number is an excellent idea.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
...]
Which strikes me as a win.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:08:43AM -0700, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
: @foo[1,3; *; 7]
:
: Which I rather like.
Me too. Unless my memory is failing me, I believe that's what S09
already specifies.
It does include a Cterm:* (d'oh, should've
you'll need is a compiler,
linker, and C library. This also implies that configure.pbc and
build.pbc will probably have to be carefully written to work with the
limited process-manipulation abilities of an ANSI-constrained
Miniparrot.
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Robert Spier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any questions?
I assume current committer bits will be transitioned over too?
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
--or for that matter if
anything's there that shouldn't be.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
sharp guy,
desperately over-qualified, and one of the few people I know who can
do off-the-cuff MST-ing of modern cinema.
Congratulations to Chip, our new Fearless Leader.
And thanks for your time and guidance, Dan--Parrot wouldn't be where
it is today without you.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
to convert.
5. Readable without a formatter.
#5 may be last on the list, but it's not least.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
Pod dies as a
useful documentation language.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
to be longer
than do STRING.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
want to perform bulk formatting:
say join ' ', ($n1, $n2, $n3) .as('%d');
Or, if that's not quite sufficient:
say map { .key.as(.value) }
$num = '%d',
$str = '%s',
...;
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I used to have a life
the other as trusted.
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of Array (or maybe just Array)
is consistent with Any; hence $y receives [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
be Any).
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
?), and
the Cundefs would be treated as 0s. So this actually would work,
although it would sort in an...interesting...order.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
datatype to a variable is an abomination).
Point of consideration: is accidentally autothreading over a junction
any more dangerous than accidentally looping forever over an infinite
lazy list?
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail
, for example.)
Junctions are equivalent to the English sentence Get eggs, bacon, and
toast from the store. (In Perl, that'd be something like C
$store-get(eggs bacon toast) .) It's just a bit of
orthogonality that allows you to give eggs, bacon, and toast a name
and use it later.
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returns from an autothreaded function.)
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
either, while more experienced programmers
will know better.
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
: $! for *$IN;# Or
however it's done this week
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I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better.
a chain saw than a nail trimmer, even if
I'm less likely to hurt myself with the nail trimmer. And it looks
like we'll have a warning or stricture to keep newbies from chopping
their legs off anyway.
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I used to have a life, but I
) {...}
foo($var);
I would assume the answer is syntax error. (Remember, array
parameters don't slurp in Perl 6 unless they have a *.)
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For those of you that can't spell, this site also contains free
imags, iamges, imges, picturs
. :)
Either that, or the Ref value type is designed to wrap an
implementation type. I'm not sure which is the case.
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For those of you that can't spell, this site also contains free
imags, iamges, imges, picturs, pcitures
William Coleda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then lets remove the file to avoid further confusion.
test_main.c is being retained as an example of a non-trivial, but
still clean, Parrot embedding. imcc/main.c is way too complicated and
incestuous with internals to fill this role.
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element in a list, do something.
if any(@list) 10 { ... }
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For those of you that can't spell, this site also contains free
imags, iamges, imges, picturs, pcitures, picktures, picturess, and
pistures.
-level struct using the ManagedStruct and
UnManagedStruct PMCs, though access is a bit clumsy IIRC.
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I might be an idiot, but not a stupid one.
--c.l.p.misc (name omitted to protect the foolish)
Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Are they easily available on all the platforms Parrot is? Various
Unixen, OS X, Windows. Is there any hope for a VMS port?
Can we add are there GUIs for Windows, OS X, and other platforms with
wimpy users? ;^)
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patients WHERE lastname = ? AND firstname = ?,
$last, $first
);
}
...
}
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I might be an idiot, but not a stupid one.
--c.l.p.misc (name omitted to protect the foolish)
Matt Diephouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:39:08 -0800, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
my Patient @byid[Int $id] {
select_patients(SELECT * FROM patients WHERE patientid = ?,
$id)[0];
}
multi my Patient %byname{String $last} {
select_patients
).
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I might be an idiot, but not a stupid one.
--c.l.p.misc (name omitted to protect the foolish)
enough to negate that.
But then, I'm a little biased.
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I might be an idiot, but not a stupid one.
--c.l.p.misc (name omitted to protect the foolish)
to pull, and use something like put/take for shift/unshift?
That goes way beyond offending shell heritage. That actively
opposes sixty years of computer science terminology setting push and
pop in opposition.
(Well, maybe not *sixty* years, but you get the idea.)
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;
I know it's *going* away, but it hasn't *gone* away yet.
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I might be an idiot, but not a stupid one.
--c.l.p.misc (name omitted to protect the foolish)
John Siracusa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/30/04 9:54 PM, Matt Diephouse wrote:
use CGI «:standard»;
[...]
use CGi :standard;
Who is doing this? I'm just saying...
use CGI ':standard';
And won't we just be doing:
use CGI :standard;
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one-liner!'
One-liners with no specific support in the core--and it's different
from Perl 5, so we can detect old one-liners. How's that for
orthagonal?
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I might be an idiot, but not a stupid one.
--c.l.p.misc (name omitted
unused.)
Actually, if we do something else with backticks, we can steal
backticks for totally raw quoting...
I'm open to other ideas, though we must remind
ourselves that this is all very bike-sheddish.
Oh, I vote for blue paint on that bike shed.
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Will Coleda wrote:
The following opcodes return 'PerlUndef' on failure, instead of 'Undef' or
null.
open, socket, fdopen, dlfunc, dlvar, find_global
Patch attached that changes all these to Undef.
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There is no cabal
of 'print N0'; try using the 'sprintf'
opcode and printing the resulting string instead.
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There is no cabal.
.
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There is no cabal.
PARROT_IN_CORE
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There is no cabal.
the pbc2cc utility I've written, the patches to
embed.[ch] might be useful; they implement a new embedding interface
function for loading a packfile that's already in memory.)
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There is no cabal.
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