that everyone
is picking-and-choosing what they want from other programming
languages. So I'd like to ask whether this is legal or not and why?
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On 10/23/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Markus Laire writes:
Does anyone know if programming languages are protected by copyright
or not?
Code can be copyrighted; ideas can't be.
Yes, but the syntax of the programming language is more than just an idea.
Copyright-article[1
dereferencers, since you can always put them
S02 inside the closure. The expression inside is evaluated in scalar
S02 (string) context. You can force list context on the expression using
S02 the Clist operator if necessary.
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{
...
}
else {
...
}
is same as
if $foo == 123 {
...
}; # -- notice the semicolon here
else {
...
}
because if-statement could end there.
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do
I get access to the outer loop variable, which of course, you cannot for
the reasons stated above.
What about $OUTER::_ ? Shouldn't that access the outer $_ ?
Let's get P6 out the door, and then discuss what tiny details like this
do or don't make sense.
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, applying a statement modifier to a do block is
specifically disallowed
Oh. For some reason, I thought this exception was for loops only.
According to S04 Cdo { ... } is a loop, The do-once loop.
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as C[+] 0,1,2,3 is equivalent to C0+1+2+3?
So why is there C: instead of C, after C@foo?
Does this have something to do with the fact that C@args is
C[EMAIL PROTECTED],1,2,3 and not C@foo,1,2,3?
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On 9/23/06, Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
在 Sep 23, 2006 8:36 PM 時，Markus Laire 寫到：
On 9/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
@args = [EMAIL PROTECTED],1,2,3;
-push [,] @args;# same as push @foo,1,2,3
+push [,] @args;# same as push(@foo: 1,2,3)
I
so IMHO C[,](1,2,3)
should be same as C1,2,3 but S06 says that it becomes C\(1,2,3).
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;
};
sub infix:☆ ($l,$r) {
return $l following a star in the $r-th heaven;
};
sub infix:☺ ($l,$r) {
return $l to become very happy for $r days and nights
};
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over screaming ;)
That would be quite close to [\+] [\,] etc.. from S03:
S03 say [\+] 1..* # (1, 3, 6, 10, 15, ...)
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| Bool::True)
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in Firefox would be nice :)
But I think I'm just dreaming...
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On 9/2/06, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/2/06, Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is quite strange, as I cannot duplicate this failure mode; neither can
others in #perl6. Nevertheless, I've attempted a fix. Can you try
again with r12945?
It's too late to do it today
anything interesting on
line 682. Maybe the linenumber was wrong?
My system is Knoppix 4.0.2 CD + ghc 6.4.1 from Debian-backports.
$ uname -a
Linux Knoppix 2.6.12 #2 SMP Tue Aug 9 23:20:52 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
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On 9/2/06, Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/9/2, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I tried to compile pugs r12925 with parrot r14364 (both current as of
yesterday) and make for pugs failed with this message:
Heya. r12925 is at the middle of gaal's mad hax0ring to support
:(Sig) syntax
On 9/2/06, Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/9/2, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 9/2/06, Audrey Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/9/2, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I tried to compile pugs r12925 with parrot r14364 (both current as of
yesterday) and make for pugs failed
trait
are considered, and the best matching default routine is used. If
there are no default routines, or if the available defaults are also
tied, a final tie-breaking proto sub is called, if there is one (see
above). Otherwise an exception is thrown.
/quote
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;
+
+is equivalent to
+
+@a = 1, 2, 3, 4;
Shouldn't this be
@a = 1, '2', '3', 4;
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-c?
Will perl6 support this notation or not?
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On 8/18/06, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 12:56:30PM +0300, Markus Laire wrote:
: What about combined short switches like C-abc to mean C-a -b -c?
: Will perl6 support this notation or not?
Hmm, that opens up a world of hurt. Either you have to distinguish a
--abc
for they
comparison than more cryptic eqv.
Also, == does simpler comparison than eq, so I feel that === should
also do simpler (to understand) comparison than eqv
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assignment,
it replaces the container itself. For instance:
my $x = 'Just Another';
my $y := $x;
$y = 'Perl Hacker';
After this, both $x and $y contain the string Perl Hacker, since
they are really just two different names for the same variable.
/quote
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On 8/16/06, Dr.Ruud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Markus Laire schreef:
my $x = 'Just Another';
my $y := $x;
$y = 'Perl Hacker';
After this, both $x and $y contain the string Perl Hacker, since
they are really just two different names for the same variable.
/quote
So $x === Sy
; # This doesn't affect $foo
Of course, type-allowed mutation of $bar will affect $foo if $bar is
mutable type.
Still, thanks for clarification - I misunderstood what you meant with
someone else holding another symbol.
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term is considered a feed to the lexically
Piping should probably be changed to something else.
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from S12
BUILD, BUILDALL, CREATE, DESTROY, DESTROYALL
Pseudo-class from S12
WALK
I might've missed some.
So making statement modifiers uppercase would just be an another place
where perl6 uses uppercase reserved words.
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On 7/20/06, Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Markus Laire writes:
S04 seems to say that a style like this can't be used by
perl6-programmers:
loop
{
...
}
while $x;
I like this style, as it lines up both the keywords and the curlies.
As of yesterday you can get very close
necessary to make this programming-style
invalid for perl6? This style is used at least by GNU Coding
Standards (section 5.1) at
http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html
I also like this style, as it lines up both the keywords and the curlies.
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, and means
+
+q:n /stuff/
+
+while
Since quotes can have whitespace before the first/opening delimiter,
but functions can't (according to S03), how is Cq () parsed? (Notice
the space before parens).
Would that be parsed as invalid function-call (i.e. syntax error) or
valid quote?
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check the parameter types. Some
kind of use strict anywhere?
I think that parameter types are automatically checked.
Also use strict; is default in perl6, but that's a bit different thing IMHO.
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the (String, Int) version
would be called because it's the best candidate. And that would also
mean that first Int is automatically converted to String.
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to be careful about what was allowed
to be passed to the subroutine. Autoconversion seems to defeat that.
-Scott
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://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.meta/989
[2] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.announce/511
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* and C** forms are probably only
-useful in dimensional list contexts.
Is there any new format to do the equivalent of C@foo[1;**;5], or is
that impossible nowadays?
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[=] @array) @array
would give first 4 elements of @array, i.e. (1, 0, -1, -2)
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In the previous mail I accidentally read [=] as [=]
On 5/10/06, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
filter (list [=] @array) @array ==
first monotonically non-decreasing run in @array
So @array = (1 0 -1 -2 -1 -3) == (1, -1) is monotonically non-decreasing?
This would
And here I mis-read as =.
Perhaps I should stop fixing, as I'm making too many errors here...
On 5/10/06, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
filter (list [] @array) @array ==
first monotonically increasing run in @array
This seems false. @array = (1 2 2 1 2 3), if I
On 5/9/06, Jonathan Scott Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 06:07:26PM +0300, Markus Laire wrote:
ps. Should first element of scan be 0-argument or 1-argument case.
i.e. should list([+] 1) return (0, 1) or (1)
I noticed this in earlier posts and thought it odd that anyone
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There is a typo in S09 (patch included)
Also, S09 uses postfix ... to mean ..Inf but S03 uses ..* for this, so
one of these should likely be changed unless both are OK.
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patch-S09
Description: Binary data
syntax:
%monsters.{'cookie'} = Monster.new;
%people\ .{'john'} = Person.new;
%cats\ .{'fluffy'} = Cat.new;
/quote
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patches would be
easier?
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On 5/4/06, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Markus Laire skribis 2006-05-04 14:55 (+0300):
When reading Synopses, I sometimes notice some mistakes or typos,
which I'd like to submit a patch for, but it's not easy to do so as I
don't know where to get the source.
Have you tried s/html/pod
On 5/4/06, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 01:56:44PM +0300, Markus Laire wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to explain this. The long dot here does seem to be
solving more important problems. Now I'm not as up to date with Perl 6 syntax
as I once was, nor as much
or a Range object.
So you can just put any closure which returns Int or Range directly
within the curlies.
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to the first quote.
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the key for some reason, you can always
set .pos to $KEY.beg, or whatever the name of the method is. Hmm,
that looks like it's unspecced.
This seems interesting. From day-to-day it becames harder to fully
understand this perl6 thing, but I like it :)
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of ( ... )
(result capture)?
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{say 'smaller'}
is same as
if $x == 5 {say 'smaller'}
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Sam Vilain wrote:
ps, X11 users, if you have any key bound to AltGr, then AltGr + C
might well give you a ¢ sign without any extra reconfiguration.
For me AltGr + C gives Copyright-symbol ©.
(SuSe 9.1, tested in konsole, kwrite and thunderbird)
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Bryan Burgers wrote:
On 10/15/05, Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/14/05, Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perl does have CPAN, but the problem is that there are no standard
modules, and so there can be several modules doing the same thing.
And what is the problem
graphics area\n;
exit 2;
}
// do something
DrawLine(0, 0, 99, 99);
// ...
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to setup such an
account, if it's even possible on my computer. (I have SuSe 9.1 in a
local network, with win98se-computer between internet and this local
network.)
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/direct-devel-downloads/temp/pugs/blib/arch')
t/oo/destruction.t
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in r3723
and
pugs my @m = ([1,2],[3,4])
({ref:Array}, {ref:Array})
pugs @m[0,1]
({ref:Array}, {ref:Array})
pugs @m[0..3]
({ref:Array}, {ref:Array}, undef, undef)
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]
(3, 4)
pugs @m[0][0]
(1, 2)
pugs @m[0][0][1]
2
@m = [[1,2],[3,4]] IS NOT same as @m = ([1,2],[3,4])
pugs my @m = ([1,2],[3,4])
({ref:Array}, {ref:Array})
pugs @m[0]
(1, 2)
pugs @m[0][1]
2
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Juerd wrote:
Juerd skribis 2005-05-14 17:23 (+0200):
Markus Laire skribis 2005-05-14 18:07 (+0300):
[+^=] (@a, @b, @c)
These arrays flatten first (otherwise [+] @foo could never calculate the
sum of the elements), so imagine that you have
$foo, $bar, $baz, $quux, $xyzzy
to let +^= operate
@c = (100,200,300);
[+=] (@a, @b, @c);
# i.e. @a += @b += @c
# now @c = (100, 200, 300)
# @b = (110, 220, 330)
# @a = (111, 222, 333)
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Jam. 1:5-6
')
pugs map { $_.from } [split /(..)*/, 1234567890][1]
(0, 2, 4, 6, 8)
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Jam. 1:5-6
/(?i)E/OA/;
(?...) is standard perl5-way to place these flags into regexp.
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Jam. 1:5-6
= $speed_a - $speed_b;
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Jam. 1:5-6
{...} catch exceptions
CONTROL {...} catch control exceptions
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Jam. 1:5-6
What should index(Hello, , 999) return in perl6?
In perl5 that returns 5, but IMHO -1 would be right result.
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Jam. 1:5-6
-of-lists separators, and not statement-separators?
That looks a lot like normal closure/code-block where ; just separates
different statements.
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Jam. 1:5-6
Andrew Savige wrote:
Oh, and should I add:
use v6;
at the top of my Pugs .p6 scripts? (I have no idea what that does,
just noticed it in some other example scripts).
It tells that script needs perl v6.*.* to work and I think it's good
practise to add that to every perl6 script.
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) »+« (10,20,30) »*« (2,3,4)-- (21,62,123)
((1,2,3) »+« (10,20,30)) »*« (2,3,4) -- (22,66,132)
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Jam. 1:5-6
Index: src/Prim.hs
===
--- src/Prim.hs (revision 586)
+++ src/Prim.hs (working copy)
@@ -366,6 +366,8 @@
op2
Thanks, applied. :)
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Jam. 1:5-6
to implement the
various features perl6-language requires.
And of course we will eventually need working Parrot to compile perl6
into a Parrot-code, but I don't know much about that as I'm currently
mainly interested about the development of pugs-project.
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Jam. 1:5-6
possible
match to this equation?
How would I rewrite this example to be more general, so that given 3
strings (in this case 'send', 'more', 'money'), the program would give
all possible results for the equation first string + second string =
third string.
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as 'le') - and of course boolean versions ?== and ?!= (The others
really don't have use with just 2 possible values.)
Then a programmer could write
while foo() ?== true {...}
and it would be ok. After all, perl is all about giving more than one
way to do it.
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Jam. 1:5-6
operators to return one of (yes, no,
sometimes) instead of plain (true, false) :)
Anyway, what are the usual semantics with junctions boolean operators
in some other languages? (This is so new concept to me, that I don't
know of any language to compare against.)
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Jam. 1:5-6
sigil?
Luke
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Jam. 1:5-6
;
$c = ($a + $b * $a);
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Jam. 1:5-6
.
Of course small errors in 're_tests.t' file could be fixed manually, but
if testing-format it changed, then those changes would be lost when file
was autogenerated again.
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Jam. 1:5-6
will match the rule against (like whether it contains \n or not) -
or should I convert these items allways in the same way.
(Of course once perl6-rules starts working a lot better than now, we
anyway need totally new tests to consider all the new possibilities.)
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Jam. 1:5-6
xabcy y $ abc
# 8: abcxabcy y $-[0] 1
# 9: abcxabcy y $+[0] 4 # SKIP
p6rule_like('xabcy', 'abc', qr/0: \Qabc\E @ 1/, 're_tests 5 (#5)');
...
...
== re_tests.t example ==
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might be one off, because one test was
commented out).
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Jam. 1:5-6
re_tests.t.tar.bz2
Description: BZip2 compressed data
I'm currently writing few tests for PGE. So far I've found 2 failing
tests: (with parrot_2004-12-16_160001.tar.gz)
p6rule_like('abcabbc', 'ab+?bc', qr/0: abbc @ 3/, '');
p6rule_like('abbcabbbc', 'ab+?', qr/0: ab @ 0/, '');
output from perl t/harness mytests/*.t is attached.
Larry mentioned
On 15 Nov 2002 at 12:02, Dave Whipp wrote:
A couple more corner cases:
$a = 1:0; #error? or zero
Shouldn't base-1 be:
1:0 == 10:0
1:1 == 10:1
1:11 == 10:2
1:111 == 10:3
1:1010111 == 10:5
etc..
Also 0:0 == 10:0
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define each area with enough detail
(whatever that means) and then move on. Until whole language-design
is somewhat complete, there will be things which requires earlier
decisions to be changed.
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messages going there now, but at least I don't receive
them via perl6-all, only via perl6-documentation
(I'm on both lists, just in case)
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people who only needs chars a-z
in his language. But for all others (think about Chinese), Unicode is
real asset.
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On 31 Oct 2002 at 16:04, Brent Dax wrote:
Markus Laire:
# Emacs and vim also works on Windows, not just UNIX.
So does DOS 'edit'. That doesn't mean Windows users use it. Windows
users want tools that look and act like Windows tools--if they didn't,
they'd be using another OS. Neither
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of a XIM
implementation for general Unicode. (Although if you log into your
Unix machine using Kermit-95, it has a keystroke sequence for
arbitrary Unicode input).
Emacs and vim also works on Windows, not just UNIX.
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On 29 Oct 2002 at 11:22, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:13:39AM +0200, Markus Laire wrote:
Also the idea of allways using 'function' style for something so
basic like superpositions doesn't appeal to me.
Superpositions are basic in a fabric-of-the-universe kind
would ('a' .. 'z') - 1 mean?
If we are going to do math with ranges, we definitely need non-
discreet ranges also. Or at least make sure it's easy enough to
implement as a class.
(1.9 .. 2.1) + (5..7) * (72.49 .. 72.51);
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^[+]
What are the good reasons not to use «» ?
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On 30 Oct 2002 at 15:24, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:10:54PM +0200, Markus Laire wrote:
If we are going to do math with ranges, we definitely need non-
discreet ranges also. Or at least make sure it's easy enough to
implement as a class.
(1.9 .. 2.1) + (5..7
perfectly.
Also the idea of allways using 'function' style for something so
basic like superpositions doesn't appeal to me. Of course this might
just be that I'm too used to use strange mathematical symbols.
(Nobody ever understood my solutions in high-school...)
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?
While we're at it, maybe we can add in 0rMCM to allow roman numerals
too... --
What about specifying endiannes also, or would that be too low-level
to even consider? Currently I don't have any examples for where it
might even be used...
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6: /(.*?) [after: union | $$]/
IMHO those should scan string one char at a time until 'union' or end-
of-string, which is optimal solution.
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On 22 Sep 2002 at 21:06, Simon Cozens wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Laire) writes:
While commit and cut don't follow same syntax, I don't really see
any better solutions.
commit is sufficiently hard that it musn't be confused with the
colon series.
Yes, I didn't think that enough
And the one best reason I forgot to include:
How do you do C ($a + $b) * $c if parentheses are forbidden for
mathematical expressions?
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