Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-21 Thread Tom Christiansen
Could the prototype people please report whether Tim Bunce's issues with prototypes have been intentionally/adequately addressed? I'm not a prototype person (in fact RFC 128 makes it a hanging offence to use that confusing word in connection with parameter lists! ;-) Could someone

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-18 Thread Tom Christiansen
[This somewhat elderly draft was found lying about an edit buffer, but I do not believe it was ever sent yet.] Now, the possibility to either pass individual scalars to a sub, or an array, (or several arrays, or a mixture of arrays and scalars) and Perl treating them as equivalent,

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-18 Thread Damian Conway
Tom asked how we'd deal with variadic subroutines without sacrificing compile-time information (i.e. parameter lists). Below I've indicated how RFC 128 would handle the cases he lists. To recap: RFC 128 proposes that parameters may be given a C:repeat attribute to make them variadic within a

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-17 Thread Bart Lateur
On 16 Sep 2000 22:11:25 -0400, Chaim Frenkel wrote: BLsub min { BLmy $min = shift; As I proposed, @_ would flatten the incoming arguments. But a sub with a prototype (that includes a non-trailing '@') would then be able to see the raw arguments. OK. As long as flattening a list

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-17 Thread Chaim Frenkel
"BL" == Bart Lateur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BL I'll give one example. BL sub min { BL my $min = shift; As I proposed, @_ would flatten the incoming arguments. But a sub with a prototype (that includes a non-trailing '@') would then be able to see the raw arguments. chaim --

RE: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-11 Thread Damian Conway
I'm under the impression that "" used in a function prototype signifies that the function takes a code block. That's right. As I said in another post, I'm functioning rather poorly just at the moment. :-( Damian

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-11 Thread Damian Conway
Does the prototype help guide the decision that it is a block and not an anon-hash? Yes, as it does now in the existing prototype mechanism. For example: use Data::Dumper 'Dumper'; sub takes_block () { print "takes_block: ", Dumper $_[0] } sub takes_any {

RE: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-11 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Damian Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] my_while { pred() } { # don't gimme no Tcl flac. ... } # no semicolon needed here! DC Just added to the RFC :-) How would the parser handle this? Some '}' would need ';' some don't. The trailing C parameter

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-11 Thread Bart Lateur
On 11 Sep 2000 13:47:22 -0400, Chaim Frenkel wrote: Sorry, I don't see list flattening as _fundemental_ to perl. It is just the way it is currently done. Could you tell me how it could be _fundemental_? I'll give one example. sub min { my $min = shift; foreach

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-10 Thread Damian Conway
my_while { pred() } { # don't gimme no Tcl flac. ... } # no semicolon needed here! DC Just added to the RFC :-) How would the parser handle this? Some '}' would need ';' some don't. The trailing C parameter specification tells the parser that there the last

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-10 Thread Bart Lateur
On 10 Sep 2000 00:33:43 -0400, Chaim Frenkel wrote: PS Yes, please. I view the flattening of lists as a feature, not a bug, and PS it has made Perl a lot easier to understand IMHO. I view it as a mis-feature. I'm sorry to disagree. But flattening of argument lists is one of those things that

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-09 Thread Chaim Frenkel
"PS" == Peter Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for ($x,$y,$z) (@a1,@a2,4..12,@a4) { ... } Probably we'll have to say that the user must explicitly zip if that is what is desired. PS Yes, please. I view the flattening of lists as a feature, not a bug, and PS it has made Perl a lot easier

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-09-09 Thread Chaim Frenkel
"DC" == Damian Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my_while { pred() } { # don't gimme no Tcl flac. ... } # no semicolon needed here! DC Just added to the RFC :-) How would the parser handle this? Some '}' would need ';' some don't. chaim -- Chaim Frenkel

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-08-29 Thread John Porter
Peter Scott wrote: Yes, please. I view the flattening of lists as a feature, not a bug, and it has made Perl a lot easier to understand IMHO. So... is an RFC forthcoming? Or shall I? -- John Porter We're building the house of the future together.

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-08-29 Thread John Porter
Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: I'm wondering how we get both for ($x,$y,$z) (@array) { ... } and for ($x,$y,$z) (@array1,@array2,@array3) { ... } That's an -internals issue. Suffice it (here) to say that the parser could be made to handle it. In fact, to the parser, it's all

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-08-29 Thread Damian Conway
You know, I would like to pass code blocks in any arg position; I want sub foo(\@\@) to be callable as foo { alpha() } @bravo { charlie() } @delta { echo() }; No Csubs, no commas. Already in the RFC. And one further note: it would be nice if, given a

Re: Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-08-28 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 04:04:20PM -0400, John Porter wrote: Well, I think it's likely that the perl6 parser would be made to handle this; but even if not, it shouldn't be too hard to get it to allow a ref to such a list: for [ $x, $y, $z ] ( @list ) { ... I'm wondering how we get

Beefier prototypes (was Re: Multiple for loop variables)

2000-08-28 Thread John Porter
Peter Scott wrote: for my($x, $y, $z) (@list) { ... } ... IANAPE (I Am Not A Parsing Expert). So I thought I would see if anyone who was could say whether this construct would really give the parser problems or whether looking ahead for the block will disambiguate. Well, I think