Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:49:51 -0400, Joshua Gatcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! FEAR: Perl6 internals will be just as inaccessable as p5 paradox. Many people don't find perl5 inaccessible at

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread Michele Dondi
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, H.Merijn Brand wrote: FEAR: Perl6 will not be able to fix the stigma of just a scripting language or line noise perl5 has never been just a scripting language But sadly enough it is often _perceived_ as such. And also like line noise, as the person you're answering to

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On 10/24/05, H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only current fear is that I won't live long enough to be able to use and understand the full richness of what perl6 is going to offer me. (Oh, and that perl6 will never be able to upgrade my scripts that use 'format', but I'm aware of

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread Juerd
Joshua Gatcomb skribis 2005-10-25 8:30 (-0400): IIRC, Andy has taken up the Perl6 PR hat. I think Juerd should like be working with Andy on this one. The rebuttals to these fears needs to be well thought out and convincing because from my personal experience they are prevalent. I'll work

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/24/05, H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:49:51 -0400, Joshua Gatcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEAR: Perl6 internals will be just as inaccessable as p5 paradox. Many people don't find perl5 inaccessible at all Who? Do you know anybody who hacks the regex

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 10/25/05, Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/05, H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:49:51 -0400, Joshua Gatcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEAR: Perl6 internals will be just as inaccessable as p5 paradox. Many people don't find perl5 inaccessible

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-25 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:57:10AM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote: On 10/24/05, H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:49:51 -0400, Joshua Gatcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEAR: Perl6 internals will be just as inaccessable as p5 paradox. Many people don't find perl5

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Daniel Hulme
The current list of fears is: You don't include my personal fear. FEAR: I will need a lobotomy before I can make sense of Perl 6! -- Stop the infinite loop, I want to get off! http://surreal.istic.org/ Paraphernalia/Never hides your broken bones,/ And I don't know why you'd want to try:/

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Dan Kogai
Here is my part. On Oct 24, 2005, at 07:20 , Juerd wrote: I've created pugs/docs/quickref/fears, a list of Perl 6 fears. Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! [snip] : FEAR: Perl 6 has too many operators! FEAR: Perl 6 has so many operators that it runs out of Unicode

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Juerd
Daniel Hulme skribis 2005-10-24 9:00 (+0100): FEAR: I will need a lobotomy before I can make sense of Perl 6! This falls under hard to learn. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Christian Renz
Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! Fear: Perl 6 will not attract enough interested developers and companies to gain momentum. People will continue to be excited about digital watches and PHP 5. Regards, Christian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://christian.web42.com -

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões
Christian Renz wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! Fear: Perl 6 will not attract enough interested developers and companies to gain momentum. People will continue to be excited about digital watches and PHP 5. I think Perl 6 will take time to insterest developers.

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Juerd
Christian Renz skribis 2005-10-24 15:31 (+0200): Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! Fear: Perl 6 will not attract enough interested developers and companies to gain momentum. People will continue to be excited about digital watches and PHP 5. That's already expressed in:

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On 10/24/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! FEAR: Perl6 internals will be just as inaccessable as p5 FEAR: The Perl6 process is driving away too many good developers FEAR: Perl6 will not be as portable as p5 FEAR: Perl6 will not be able

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On 10/24/05, Joshua Gatcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! This really isn't a fear as much as it is a complaint. It has to do with design decisions and the list. Perl 5 was my rewrite of Perl. I

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread John Macdonald
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:47:58PM +0100, Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões wrote: Another is because it will take too long to port all CPAN modules to Perl 6 (for this I suggest a Porters force-task to interact with current CPAN module owners and help and/or port their modules). I think

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Doug McNutt
I fear that, at age 70, I shall not live long enough to become efficient with perl 6. Two full years ago I purchased and read Perl 6 Essentials. That lead me to this list which I have enjoyed but never felt competent to contribute much. Pretty much all of what I leaned in Essentials has been

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 10/24/05, John Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:47:58PM +0100, Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões wrote: Another is because it will take too long to port all CPAN modules to Perl 6 (for this I suggest a Porters force-task to interact with current CPAN module

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Nate Wiger
Joshua Gatcomb wrote: On 10/24/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! FEAR: The Perl6 process is driving away too many good developers FEAR: Perl6 will not be as portable as p5 FEAR: Perl6 is un-necessary and the time, money, and resources

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 10/24/05, Nate Wiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Gatcomb wrote: On 10/24/05, Juerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! FEAR: The Perl6 process is driving away too many good developers FEAR: Perl6 will not be as portable as p5 FEAR:

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Juerd
Nate Wiger skribis 2005-10-24 10:44 (-0700): The fact that there's not alot of active p5p'ers on this list should alarm people more. I don't know about the other Perl 6 lists, are they as p5porterless? It does not alarm me that they are not *here*, this being a list where we mostly discuss

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
I'll attempt to answer a couple of the Parrot fears. :-) Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fear that Parrot will not come into widespread use until perl 6 is released. Parrot might not be ready to come into widespread use until Perl 6 is released - there's some stuff missing yet. But

Perl 6 fears

2005-10-23 Thread Juerd
I've created pugs/docs/quickref/fears, a list of Perl 6 fears. Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! If you don't have committer access, ask Autrijus for it, or just reply to this message. The current list of fears is: : Frequently heard Perl 6 fears : : Fears end