Re: PMC Methods, Inheritance, and User-visible Classes

2006-08-30 Thread Luke Palmer
On 8/30/06, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 30 August 2006 04:12, Watson Ladd wrote: Seriously, what's so bad about adding functionality into a language? I once saw an overfilled waterbed that was almost as tall as I am. I would have called it PHP, but it didn't explode and

Re: Perl6

2005-12-27 Thread Luke Palmer
On 12/28/05, Sastry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for the latest Perl6 source code. Could somebody give me a link to the same? Do we need to install parrot before we install perl6? You can check out the latest code at: http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs You'll need ghc-6.4 or later

Re: Secure execution of Remote Code

2005-12-11 Thread Luke Palmer
On 12/11/05, Bryan Burgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering... Are there plans to have parrot securely execute remote code, similar to JVM, so a person can have a parrot plug-in in their browser (for example), and run parrot 'applets' with the confidence that they are safe? Or is this

Re: punie's demo uses *a lot* of memory on win32

2005-12-02 Thread Luke Palmer
On 12/2/05, jerry gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm afraid adding tracing info will bring either system to its knees. perhaps there's some other way for me to help debug? Okay, I haven't looked into the source at all, but I have one theory: If Punie now uses Allison's attribute grammar

Re: parrot directory reorganization

2005-11-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Hi Jerry, I'm just curious, I don't mean to criticize your ideas. Just, give some whys for the shoulds. On 11/29/05, jerry gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the parrot directory structure is large and a bit disorganized. let me give you some examples: * build_tools/, util/, and tools/*/ each

Re: shr bug when shifting by a multiple of the int size?

2005-11-03 Thread Luke Palmer
On 11/3/05, Leopold Toetsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 20:49, Joshua Isom wrote: I was trying to use bit shifting for division by multiples of two, but if the shift amount is a multiple of the int size, it seems to fail to shift the bits. Here's some example code

Re: [perl #36437] [BUG] PGE recursion, bus error

2005-07-01 Thread Luke Palmer
Attempting to come up with a simplistic math grammar that has one possible operand (A) and one possible operator (*) - so that things like A, A*A, and A*A*A*A*A are all parsed. This simplistic example (thanks to spinclad on #perl6) cause PGE to explode. $ cat ta.p6r grammar f; rule atom

Re: ./method defunct

2005-06-21 Thread Luke Palmer
On 6/21/05, Matthew Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we revisit the idea of using a shorter keyword for $?SELF, like 'o'? I know that $Larry said the idea was probably not going to work: http://tinyurl.com/7baz6 but I'm curious if the reasoning that killed it then still holds

[PATCH] make PIO_fdopen return NULL on incorrect flags

2005-05-05 Thread Luke Palmer
This patch makes PIO_fdopen return NULL when you give it flags it doesn't understand. I gathered that this was the correct behavior from the test that I untodid. Luke Index: t/src/io.t === --- t/src/io.t (revision 7981) +++

Re: parrot and refcounting semantics

2005-05-01 Thread Luke Palmer
Robin Redeker writes: On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 05:02:54PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: destroy. There's a vtable method that's called by the GC system when an object is no longer reachable from the root set. Actually, not when, but some (indefinite) time after that has happened, right?

Re: parrot and refcounting semantics

2005-04-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: Also, with all this stuff, people are going to find timely destruction is less useful than they might want, what with threads and continuations, which'll screw *everything* up, as they are wont to do. I know I've been making heavy use of continuations myself, and this is

Re: parrot and refcounting semantics

2005-04-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Robin Redeker writes: On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 12:33:30PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote: I think, more importantly, they don't understand what they're getting in return for giving [refcounting] up. Could you point out what i get? I use TD is to handle resources: filehandles, database handles

Re: parrot and refcounting semantics

2005-04-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Robin Redeker writes: This should actually be, to prevent the resource from leaking: { my $s = new CoolClass; eval { ... do stuff that may throws ... }; destroy $s; } Or, with the block hooks that I keep claiming makes timely destruction almost

Re: Again the infix ops

2005-03-31 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: But with one more indirection a PIC-like scheme can work with read-only bytecode too (probably). E.g. the assembler emits instead of the proposed: infix __add, Pd, Pl, Pr this opcode: infix (.MMD_ADD 24) | n, Pd, Pl, Pr Just 256? Why don't you add another

Re: operator

2005-01-30 Thread Luke Palmer
Markus Laire writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Please, I have a question if exists in Perl somethink like keyword 'operator' in C++ ? That will exist in perl6. And to quite a larger extent. Not only can you overload existing operators, you can make up whatever operator name you like.

Re: Calling conventions, invocations, and suchlike things

2005-01-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Sam Ruby writes: Mmm, syntax! :) Luckily it makes no difference to us at the parrot level. What that should translate to is something like: $P0 = find_method Parrot_string, find # Elided check for failed lookup and fallback to attribute fetch $P1 =

Re: Scope exit and timely destruction

2005-01-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Dave Mitchell writes: On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 02:40:43PM -0700, Luke Palmer wrote: What I'd most like is to convince Larry to waive the timely destruction requirement. However, that doesn't really solve the problem for other languages that need timely destruction. Are there any? Perl 5

Re: Scope exit and timely destruction

2005-01-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Unknown writes: On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 17:57 -0500, Michael Walter wrote: You could change the GC scheme (*cough*) to use one similar to Python's (ref-counting + additional GC for cyclic references *double-cough*). You could adapt Java's last-generation GC scheme to do a really fast GC

Re: Scope exit and timely destruction

2005-01-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Shevek writes: On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 16:56 -0700, Luke Palmer wrote: I thought C++ only guaranteed destruction (on return or exception) for objects which were directly on the stack. That's true, you have to explicitly delete most memory. I was actually referring to the template

Re: Native data structure for parrot?

2005-01-03 Thread Luke Palmer
Bernhard Schmalhofer writes: This sounds somewhat like a Piddle, which is the data structure of the Perl Data Language, http://pdl.perl.org/. AFAIK there is already a hook, that allows you to use your own data lying somewhere in your memory. It might be worthwile to create a Piddle PMC,

Re: Native data structure for parrot?

2004-12-29 Thread Luke Palmer
Graciliano M. P. writes: Will be nice to can write this directly on Perl6: int the_matrix[10][10] ; Or rather: my int @matrix is dim(10,10); Perl 6 has been planning support for such naive data structures for a long time. I'm not sure about hashes. They have enough internal

Re: MMD and VTABLE_find_method

2004-12-23 Thread Luke Palmer
Sam Ruby writes: In the general case, a call to a subroutine with three arguments can have four possibilities: anywhere from zero to three arguments may be involved in the dispatch. I also read this to say that whatever code is generated by a subroutine call is independent of the number

Re: auxiliary variables

2004-12-19 Thread Luke Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please Lets have two scalars variables in Perl and some operation under them like an adding. x = a + b I would like know, witch auxiliary variables are creating on the in-line code like a Parrot somethink like T = a + b x = T ??? and

Re: [perl #33092] IMCC sub/opcode invocation conflict

2004-12-17 Thread Luke Palmer
Dave Brondsema writes: # New Ticket Created by Dave Brondsema # Please include the string: [perl #33092] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # URL: http://rt.perl.org:80/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=33092 If I define a sub as: .sub print

Re: overloaded operator calling conventions

2004-12-15 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: Why do we have the special notion of current_object in the first place? Why not just pass all in as P5, P6, ...? I agree that this is the way to go. Especially if we have some marker somewhere that tells us that we were called as a method. Luke

Re: [CVS ci] class refactoring 1 - Integer

2004-12-10 Thread Luke Palmer
Sam Ruby writes: Mike Guy wrote: Perl5 Cxor always returns a standard boolean value, i.e. dualvar(0, '') or dualvar(1, '1').Perl6/Parrot should do the same thing. Try: perl -le print 'day' xor 'night' On the version of Perl I have installed, I get day as the result. Odd,

Re: [CVS ci] class refactoring 1 - Integer

2004-12-10 Thread Luke Palmer
[ From p6i ] Patrick R. Michaud writes: On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 08:50:46PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Not quite. It gives one value if one is true or 0 (false). This is more information then the perl5 implementation returns. The returned value (if any) is still true but usable, if I

Re: Premature pessimization

2004-12-06 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: citing Luke Palmer On a semi-related note, can I get a classoffset without doing a hash lookup? That is, can I store the class number I get assigned somewhere for quick fetching? Hey now, you're citing the Luke Palmer that writes code. Don't confuse him with the Luke

Re: Premature pessimization

2004-12-05 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: This term came up in a recent discussion[1]. But I'd like to give this term a second meaning. Except what you're talking about here is premature *optimzation*. You're expecting certain forms of the opcodes to be slow (that's the pessimization part), but then you're

Re: continuation enhanced arcs

2004-12-05 Thread Luke Palmer
Piers Cawley writes: I'd submit that, in the vast majority of cases you're not going to be dealing with full continuations, and on the occasions when you are the programmer using them will be aware of the cost and will be willing to pay it. Yeah probably. Except the problem isn't the cost.

Re: Parrot Strong typing

2004-12-03 Thread Luke Palmer
Timm Murray writes: I've always thought of Perl5 having two basic types: Scalar and List, with Hash and Array being subtypes of List. The reason is that arrays and hashes can be easily converted into each other, because of Perl5's list-flatening nature: @array = %hash; %hash = @array;

Re: continuation enhanced arcs

2004-12-03 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: I think we have basically 3 choices: support continuations such that they work correctly in all HLL situations and accept likely poor performance, or support only escape continuations, or devise a strategy whereby Parrot itself doesn't provide continuations, but

Re: continuation enhanced arcs

2004-12-03 Thread Luke Palmer
I looked through google groups and couldn't find leo's solution (putting lexicals in registers, and I can't figure out what that means; couldn't you have a loop counter that isn't a lexical?). I think we all agree that this is a major problem, and that to ignore it would be a fatal mistake in

Re: continuation enhanced arcs

2004-12-03 Thread Luke Palmer
can be reduced to single), JIT still works. So, scrap my proposal. Seriously consider his. My comments about this is a real problem and needs a real solution still hold. Luke Luke Palmer writes: I looked through google groups and couldn't find leo's solution (putting lexicals in registers

Re: continuation enhanced arcs

2004-12-01 Thread Luke Palmer
Bill Coffman writes: I can see that there is true magic in the power of using references in this way. Nonetheless, how can the compiler figure out that it can't use an integer here? The compiler should use integers when it can, but it sounds like you are saying that when a variable crosses a

Re: continuation enhanced arcs

2004-11-29 Thread Luke Palmer
It seems to me that there is no good solution to this problem without annotating the register set or killing the register allocator. So perhaps we should keep the non-pmc registers at value semantics; that is, continuations simply restore their value when the continuation was taken. Yes, I

Re: [perl #32676] testj hangs on string_102

2004-11-29 Thread Luke Palmer
Parrot Assembler via RT writes: make testj hangs on string_102.pasm. Here's the gdb backtrace. It looks like a really subtle, nasty problem. If I add a noop anywhere in the top section of code (before MAIN) it works. It works even if I change the filename from string_102.pasm to test.pasm!

Re: [CVS ci] @ANON sub pragma

2004-11-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch wrote: I've checked in intial support for anonymous subroutines. .sub foo @ANON creates an anonymous subroutine. On a semi-related note, can I get a classoffset without doing a hash lookup? That is, can I store the class number I get assigned somewhere for quick fetching?

Re: PGE issues

2004-11-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Nicholas Clark writes: The appended patch makes it compile and pass tests. The change which caused the problem appears to be this one, which added pge_parseglob.c: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cvs.parrot/7849 I infer that dylib is not as forgiving of multiply defined symbols as ELF.

Re: EcmaScript

2004-11-27 Thread Luke Palmer
Sam Ruby writes: Overall, JavaScript would be a good match for Parrot. One place where it would significantly diverge at the moment is in the concept of a class. Objects in JavaScript are little more than bundles of properites, some of which may be functions. And classes are essentially

Reserved Word Heartburn

2004-11-24 Thread Luke Palmer
IMCC yells at me when I say: .namespace [ Foo ] .sub new ... .end While it's tolerable for local symbols, subs really have to be named according to the interface. Is it possible to allow: .sub new ... .end ? Thanks, Luke

Namespace-sub invocation syntax?

2004-11-24 Thread Luke Palmer
Since there is a syntax for invoking subs: .sub foo # ... .end .sub bar foo() .end Should there be one for invoking a sub out of a namespace, say: .namespace [ Foo ] .sub bar # ... .end .namespace [ Baz ] .sub quux [ Foo, bar ]()

Re: p6ge compiler's namespace...

2004-11-22 Thread Luke Palmer
William Coleda writes: Should the compilation sub for p6g3 be in the root namespace as it is currently, or moved to, say, a p6ge namespace? I doubt we should be taking up the users' precious namespace with things that aren't standardly prefixed. It's likely that the p6ge_compile should be in

Bug in method calling with nonconst keys

2004-11-22 Thread Luke Palmer
There's a pretty bad problem with calling the vtable proxy methods with keys that aren't constant. Best illustrated by example: .sub _main newclass $P0, Foo find_type $I0, Foo new $P1, $I0 $I1 = $P1[foo] $S0 = foo $I1 = $P1[$S0] end .end .namespace [Foo]

Underscores on subs

2004-11-22 Thread Luke Palmer
Are we still supposed to put underscores before sub names? Since they don't get converted into PASM labels, there doesn't seem much need for that restriction anymore. Luke

[PATCH] Re: cvs commit: parrot/t/pmc object-meths.t

2004-11-22 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: +if (arg-vtable-base_type == enum_class_Key) { +while (arg) { +UINTVAL flags = PObj_get_FLAGS(arg); +if (flags KEY_register_FLAG) { +INTVAL n =

Re: p6ge compiler's namespace...

2004-11-22 Thread Luke Palmer
Jerome Quelin writes: On 04/11/22 07:14 -0700, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: Looks great to me -- I'll switch things around to (pardon the pun) match. They'll become P6GE::compile (compiler sub) and P6GE::Match, with a note that P6GE::compile is still subject to change. Well, since we're

Re: Continuations, basic blocks, loops and register allocation

2004-11-15 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: On Nov 14, 2004, at 3:03 AM, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Matt Fowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but in the case of the continuation resuming after foo, the continuation should restore the frame to the point where it was taken. Thus all of the registers will be exactly

[PATCH] A little more Configure info

2004-11-14 Thread Luke Palmer
This adds information about the result of a test if the information is terse enough. i.e. changes: Determining whether your cc is actually gcc...done. Into: Determining whether your cc is actually gccyes. Enjoy, Luke Index: config/auto/aio.pl

Re: Does Parrot have True coroutines?

2004-11-05 Thread Luke Palmer
Klaas-Jan Stol writes: Hello, I spoke (through email) with Roberto Ierusalimschy, one of the creators of the Lua programming language, and I said that Parrot has good support for implementing coroutines and closures (heck, they are explicitly there). However, in a reply, Roberto asked:

Re: Please, Help on I/O

2004-11-05 Thread Luke Palmer
Christian Aperghis-Tramoni writes: I have the folowing program : print Give me an integer number : n getstdinP0 readline S1,P0 Its execution gives : 10 Give me an integer number : How is it possible to flush stdout before reading the number. It means

Re: No Cpow op with PMC arguments?

2004-11-05 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:29 PM, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote: This is true. But how do you define a number? Do you include floating-point? Fixed-point? Bignum? Bigrat? Complex? Surreal? Matrix? N registers don't even begin to encompass all the numbers out there.

Re: Closures and subs

2004-11-04 Thread Luke Palmer
I haven't written PIR in a while, and I'm not terribly familiar with the new changes, but I'll make some guesses. Klaas-Jan Stol writes: function main() local p = 123; local q = 345; foo(q); foo(q); function foo(a) # nested function, it does have access to p in

Re: pmc_type

2004-10-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Stphane Payrard writes: That would allow to implement typechecking in imcc. .sym Scalar a a = new .PerlInt # ok. Perlint is derived from Scalar Ugh, yeah, but what does that buy you? In dynamic languages pure derivational typechecking is very close to useless. The reason C++[1] has

Re: towards a new call scheme

2004-09-23 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: At 4:15 PM +0200 9/23/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote: return_cc() # 2) return via current continuation 1) is only needed for special porposes, like passing the continuation on to a different place. The normal way to return from a sub will be 2) If that's in,

Re: Namespaces

2004-09-13 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: On Sep 12, 2004, at 8:43 PM, Luke Palmer wrote: Jeff Clites writes: On Sep 7, 2004, at 6:26 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: *) Namespaces are hierarchical So we can have [foo; bar; baz] for a namespace. Woo hoo and all that. It'd map to the equivalent perl namespace of foo

Re: Namespaces

2004-09-12 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: On Sep 7, 2004, at 6:26 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: *) Namespaces are hierarchical So we can have [foo; bar; baz] for a namespace. Woo hoo and all that. It'd map to the equivalent perl namespace of foo::bar::baz. How does this hierarchical nature manifest? I ask because

Re: Namespaces

2004-09-07 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: Time to nail this. We need namespaces. Duh. We talked about this in the past. So, here's what I'm proposing. It'll be formalized into a PDD once we hash things out. *) Namespaces are hierarchical So we can have [foo; bar; baz] for a namespace. Woo hoo and all

t/pmc/perlhash.t#20 failed

2004-08-22 Thread Luke Palmer
And as I look at the code for that test: output_is( 'CODE', 'OUTPUT', Getting PMCs from string;int compound keys); new P0, .PerlHash new P1, .PerlHash new P2, .PerlInt set P2, 4 set P1[9], P2 set I0, P1[9] print I0 print \n set P0[a], P1 set I0, P0[a;9]

Re: incremental garbage collection 1/2

2004-08-20 Thread Luke Palmer
Andr Pang writes: On 21/08/2004, at 5:48 AM, Leopold Toetsch wrote: 3) The copying collector isn't integrated yet. But that should be easy. After finishing sweep and if there is some possible wastage in the memory pools, these get compacted. I thought Parrot wasn't using copying

Re: Proof of concept - hack_42 (was: the whole and everything)

2004-07-27 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: $ time parrot -j -Oc c.imc in main 20 real0m1.069s user0m0.910s sys 0m0.020s $ time parrot -C ch.imc in main 20 real0m0.356s user0m0.250s sys 0m0.000s I think that a factor 3 improvement in function call speed (and a

Re: Perl script to .so file

2004-07-14 Thread Luke Palmer
RaghavendraK 70574 writes: Hi, Am a hardcore C++ guy and don;t know much abt the Perl. But one of my friend has proved that the fastest way to RAD is Perl. I need to know if we can convert a Perl script to a dynamic link library under unix only. I don't know what RAD is, but I know you're

Re: Regexp::Parser v0.02 on CPAN (and Perl 6 regex question)

2004-07-01 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan writes: It'll appear shortly at your local mirror. You can get it from my web site as well. I'll be writing an extension module tomorrow, and starting next week, I'll get started on Regexp::Perl6. Cool. Which leads me to a question about Perl 6 regexes. I'm writing

Re: Perl 6 regex parser

2004-06-27 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan writes: I am currently completing work on an extensible regex-specific parsing module, Regexp::Parser. It should appear on CPAN by early July (hopefully under my *new* CPAN ID JAPHY). Once it is completed, I will be starting work on writing a subclass that matches Perl

Re: The behaviour of iterators

2004-06-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: Once we decide how to *get* these things (see the previous e-mail) we need to decide how they should work. We can fiddle around, but honestly the scheme: 1) They act as arrays--if you want the 18th element in the iterator, access it directly 2) They have 'next',

Re: Slices and iterators

2004-06-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: The slice vtable entry should take as its parameter a slice pmc. This should be an array of typed from/to values, so we can do something like: @foo[0..2,4..8,12..]; with three entries in the slice array--one with a from/to of 0/2, one with 4/8, and one with

Re: Slices and iterators

2004-06-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: At 1:21 PM -0600 6/14/04, Luke Palmer wrote: Dan Sugalski writes: The slice vtable entry should take as its parameter a slice pmc. This should be an array of typed from/to values, so we can do something like: @foo[0..2,4..8,12..]; with three entries

Re: The behaviour of iterators

2004-06-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: At 1:08 PM -0600 6/14/04, Luke Palmer wrote: Dan Sugalski writes: Once we decide how to *get* these things (see the previous e-mail) we need to decide how they should work. We can fiddle around, but honestly the scheme: 1) They act as arrays--if you want the 18th

Re: Non-flow-control logical tests

2004-05-20 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: Right now the only good way to find out if a value is true or not is to do something like: $I0 = 1 if $P0, done $I0 = 0 done: and look in $I0 for the result. [snip] Anyway, because of it I'm pondering non-flowcontrol logical ops. That is, something like:

Re: P6C: Parser Weirdness

2004-05-13 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: And personally I'd be happy to do violence to the dragon book. (Not that it's *entirely* horrible, as I occasionally need to prop doors open or shim a broken table leg temporarily...) But, anyway, snipping out the rest of this stuff... The big problem is that I

Re: Register stacks again

2004-05-08 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: [1] yes I'm thinking of just one frame pointer :) Well, the whole scheme makes a stack machine out of Parrot: I0,...In, In+1Ik, Ik+1...Il ^ | frame pointer I0..In are the incoming function arguments In+1..Ik are the working registers of the function

Re: assertion in headers.c breaks OS X

2004-05-07 Thread Luke Palmer
Nicholas Clark writes: Thanks. Everything compiles again now, and all tests pass (after I do the little .so - .dylib dance) I'm new to OS X. Might you describe said dance? Luke

Re: A12: The dynamic nature of a class

2004-04-26 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: I don't (right off) know of any other language which has something in between variables and objects. That is, containers. They're feeling a bit artificial. Well... Perl 5. Luke

Re: A12: The dynamic nature of a class

2004-04-22 Thread Luke Palmer
Aaron Sherman writes: But according to A12 as I understand it, the part BEFORE that, which looked innocently like a definition: class Joe { my $.a; method b {...} } would actually get turned into a BEGIN block that executes the body of the class definition as a closure in class

Hyper op summary

2004-04-21 Thread Luke Palmer
I was asked to post a small summary of hyper ops for you guys. Here it is: Of course to hyperize an operator you surround it with , or just one of them for a unary operator. @a + @b @a++ You can't necessarily override their semantics without chaning how Perl 6 interprets the syntax

Re: Fun with nondeterministic searches

2004-04-06 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: I'm OK with moving the return continuation out of P1 and into somewhere else--I can even see throwing it on the control stack. (Or a special register, I can live with that as well) I'd like to express my vote of confidence for an RC register, which is put in the context

Re: Ulterior Reference Counting for DoD?

2004-03-24 Thread Luke Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, I know approximately zero about the DoD and GC mechanisms which are currently used by Parrot, but I did attend a talk a few weeks ago about a promising new method of garbage collection called Ulterior Reference Counting:

Re: Optimizations for Objects

2004-03-21 Thread Luke Palmer
Piers Cawley writes: You seem to be mixing up different issues with that statement. Using plain Continuation PMCs for returning just from subroutines was dead slow, w or w/o COWed stacks. But when a Continuation is simply a collection of pointers to the tops of the various stacks (and I

Re: imcc concat and method syntax

2004-03-13 Thread Luke Palmer
luka frelih writes: But how should the two interpretations of x.x be resolved? Is that concatenation or method calling? currently, the pir line S5 = S5 . 'foo' produces error:imcc:object isn't a PMC concatenation with . seems to be gone i cannot think of a good replacement

[PATCH] Prettifying parrotbench output

2004-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Here's a patch that prettifies parrotbench's output. It also redirects errors to /dev/null, and replaces them with !!! in the output. The benchmarking program is not the correct place to debug errors. Luke Index: tools/dev/parrotbench.pl

Re: [PATCH] Prettifying parrotbench output

2004-03-09 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: Luke Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a patch that prettifies parrotbench's output. It also redirects errors to /dev/null, and replaces them with !!! in the output. The benchmarking program is not the correct place to debug errors. Must be soemthing wrong

Re: Another object bug

2004-02-26 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: At 2:38 PM +0100 2/26/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Simplifies compilers: newclass P1, Foo addattribute P1, i findclass I1, Foo new P2, I1 classoffset I2, P2 In static cases, where P2 is known to be a CFoo, attrib #0 (i) would be always 0. That

Re: Another object bug

2004-02-25 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:54 PM -0500 2/25/04, Simon Glover wrote: If I'm understanding the docs correctly, this should print '0'. Instead, it prints 'Array index out of bounds!' Another bug, though the offset ought to be 2 right now.

Re: [perl #25960] [PATCH] COWed stack bug (was IMCC - PerlArray getting trounced)

2004-02-23 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: Matt Fowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This patch make the problem case submitted by Jeff Clites work. All tests pass, and his sample has been added to the tests. struct RegisterChunkBuf* top = stack-top; if (top-used 1) { +top-used--;

Re: Rules for method resolution?

2004-02-14 Thread Luke Palmer
Michal Wallace writes: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Dan Sugalski wrote: We also have to have a way to fetch the method PMC for a named method for later use, which is where the interesting bits come in. This is required for a number of reasons, including Python, so we have to have it. The

Re: [RFD] Symbol naming and imcc2

2004-02-11 Thread Luke Palmer
Jonathan Worthington writes: I would go with the idea of having a sigil that is placed before all local variables, and another (different!) sigil for registers (of the IMCC-handled type). Anything without one of those is a direct register access. Or a syntax error. Clean, simple rules.

Re: OO inheritance in a hacker style

2004-02-04 Thread Luke Palmer
Joseph Ryan writes: It's surely possible by modifying that class's DISPATCH. Whether it should actually be in the language is up for debate. I'd say that if you need to do this with any frequency whatsoever, you're not thinking about roles right. A good example might be in order... :-)

Re: Some minor decisions and timetables

2004-02-04 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: I'd add some syntax additions and some notes: - Pn above is a NameSpace PMC, derived from Hash - an interpreter has a current namespace - located in the context, so that its restored after sub calls getinterp P2 find_global Pn, P2[.] # get current NS

Re: Some namespace notes

2004-01-29 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: We could certainly do some sort of language-specific prefixing, as Tim suggested, but it seems that we are then going to trouble to unify, only to immediately de-unify. Certainly, a random Java programmer shouldn't have to worry about naming a class so that it doesn't

Re: Security problems with UnManagedStruct

2004-01-28 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: This is unlimited self-inspection and self-modification :) With little additions (nested structs) one could read/write all Parrot_Interp internals (including possible security bits) and not only registers like above. But current state is already sufficient to

Re: IMCC - PerlArray getting trounced

2004-01-25 Thread Luke Palmer
Will Coleda writes: I'm trying to track down a problem with a PerlArray that is getting modified on me. I have a snippet of code like: typeof $S12, tcl_words $I12 = tcl_words print TYPEOF: print $S12 print \n print SIZEOF: print $I12 print \n

Re: Benchmark Suite

2004-01-25 Thread Luke Palmer
Matt Fowles writes: All~ Of late it seems that everybody has been throwing around their own little homegrown benchmarks to support their points. But many people frequently point out that these benchmarks are flawed on one way or another. I suggest that we add a benchmark/ subdirectory

Re: Q: Sub vs Closure lexical pads

2004-01-21 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: While trying to generate a small example that shows the memory corruption problem reported by Steve, I came along these issues: a) [1] is .Sub, [2] is turned off The subroutine prints main's $m - very likely wrong. Well, Subs don't do anything with pads, so I'd

Re: [RESEND] Q: Array vs SArray

2004-01-21 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan Sugalski writes: At 9:38 AM +0100 1/21/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, at this point we've a pile of different array classes Before we go any further we need to figure out what we want. 1) Unify setting/getting element count - the

Re: Start of thread proposal

2004-01-19 Thread Luke Palmer
Dan's thread proposal mentions: =item Automatic PMC sharing will be provided When a PMC is placed into a container which is shared (including lexical pads and global namespaces) then that PMC will automatically be marked as shared. It is acceptable for this to trigger an exception if for

Re: Calling conventions, IMC

2004-01-19 Thread Luke Palmer
Will Coleda writes: I didn't expect the code to be very usable, merely compilable. =-) If I want to call myself from myself, how do I do that then? For anything else, I do: .local Sub foo_sub newsub foo_sub, .Sub, __foo .pcc_begin prototyped .arg $S1 .pcc_call foo_sub

[PATCH] Re: Register stacks organization

2004-01-18 Thread Luke Palmer
Leopold Toetsch writes: Luke Palmer clearly should, that optimizations WRT register frame stacks are possible. The follwing numbers seem to second that: FRAMES_PER_CHUNK time real user 4 1.2s 0.9 8 1.6 16 2.3 1.4

Re: [PATCH] Re: Register stacks organization

2004-01-18 Thread Luke Palmer
Luke Palmer writes: -memcpy(buf-data.bufstart, chunk-data.bufstart, stack-chunk_size); +memcpy(buf-data.bufstart, chunk-data.bufstart, +stack-frame_size * FRAMES_PER_CHUNK); Silly me -- left over from benchmarks. Of course I mean: + memcpy(buf-data.bufstart

Re: Vtables organization

2004-01-18 Thread Luke Palmer
Benjamin K. Stuhl writes: Other than the special case of :readonly, can you give me an example of when you'd need to, rather than simply writing a PMC class that inherits from some base? I'm having trouble thinking of an example of when you'd want to be able to do that... After all, since

Re: Some namespace notes

2004-01-16 Thread Luke Palmer
Jeff Clites writes: On Jan 15, 2004, at 8:26 PM, Benjamin K. Stuhl wrote: Thus wrate Dan Sugalski: At 10:13 AM -0800 1/13/04, Jeff Clites wrote: Short version: I was originally going to argue for fully hierarchical namespaces, identified as above, but after turning this over in my head

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