Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Tom Christiansen
POD, presumably. Or maybe son-of-POD; it would be nice to have better support for tables and lists. We did this for the camel. Which, I remind the world, was written in pod. ''tom

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Bart Lateur
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:15:22 -0600, Tom Christiansen wrote: We did this for the camel. Which, I remind the world, was written in pod. You, masochist. (duck, and run) -- Bart.

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Nathan Wiger
=head1 TITLE Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD =head1 VERSION Status: Frozen I'm sorry, I was gonna bite my lip, but I've gotta say: Freezing RFC's like this when the following is true: A lot of good, heated discussion was generated on the mailing lists. The

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:36:32AM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote: against them. The whole point of this Perl 6 process is to develop a language that the community thinks is the right direction, right? Really? I thought the whole point of this was to develop suggestions to put to Larry, for him to

Re: RFC 288 (v2) First-Class CGI Support

2000-10-04 Thread Philip Newton
[Iain, I'd really appreciate it if you'd copy me on your replies to my posts. The volume is so high that I don't always get time to grovel through the digests in a timely manner.] On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, iain truskett wrote: * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [30 Sep 2000 02:47]: However, the

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2000-10-04 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Status: Frozen I'm sorry, I was gonna bite my lip, but I've gotta say: Freezing RFC's like this when the following is true: A lot of good, heated discussion was generated on the mailing lists. The majority seems against using XML-DTD documentation, but granted there are

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Buddha Buck
At 08:36 AM 10/4/00 -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote: =head1 TITLE Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD =head1 VERSION Status: Frozen I'm sorry, I was gonna bite my lip, but I've gotta say: Freezing RFC's like this when the following is true: A lot of good, heated

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Robin Berjon
At 08:36 04/10/2000 -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote: This RFC should either be retracted, or revised into: POD to XML translation should be easier On this subject, I have notes about a Pod::SAX module that would make pod2xml much easier. If I have time to implement it I'll do it, but I can't tell

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead ofPOD

2000-10-04 Thread Philip Newton
On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Adam Turoff wrote: POD has three mighty significant advantages over XML: - it is easy to learn - it is to write - it is easy to ignore, if you're spelunking for Perl code Try and do that, when body interferes with STDIN syntactically. [snip] Moving towards a

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation insteadof POD

2000-10-04 Thread Nathan Wiger
Retracting would have been easier, but could very well be seen as giving up on pointing out PODs deficiencies. Pointing POD deficiencies is fine. But the fundamental thrust of the RFC is still "replace POD with XML". That's why I even noted the alternative names and corresponding emphasis in

RE: Perl already allows XML for documentation (was Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD)

2000-10-04 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Oct 2000, at 10:35, Garrett Goebel wrote: From: John Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It would be very detrimental to perl's performance to have to do an XML parse of every input source file. if the parser can skip between: =pod =cut it can certainly be made to skip

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Oct 2000, at 21:04, Adam Turoff wrote: If you want to use XML, Latex, Texinfo or raw *roff for your docs, then by all means do so. Understand that Perl can't be made to magically ignore embedded Texinfo, and Perl contributors realistically can't be made to understand/patch/correct

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Damien Neil
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:15:22AM -0600, Tom Christiansen wrote: POD, presumably. Or maybe son-of-POD; it would be nice to have better support for tables and lists. We did this for the camel. Which, I remind the world, was written in pod. What kinds of things got added for the camel?

Re: RFC 357 (v1) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread John Porter
Philip Newton wrote: I'm not sure that this bit of the third quoted paragraphs is correct: "It's quite possible that switching to an XML docset produces a beautiful, unmaintained set of documentation that is of no use to anyone." I think it's more likely that switching to an XML docset

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation insteadofPOD

2000-10-04 Thread Frank Tobin
Nathan Wiger, at 09:56 -0700 on Wed, 4 Oct 2000, wrote: This is *exactly* why I suggested that the RFC be renamed and try to work within the constraints of keeping POD. In doing so, it could add really useful input. Otherwise, it will likely be ignored just like it was retracted now. And I'd

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Peter Scott
At 08:36 AM 10/4/00 -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote: I'm sorry, I was gonna bite my lip, but I've gotta say: Freezing RFC's like this when the following is true: A lot of good, heated discussion was generated on the mailing lists. The majority seems against using XML-DTD documentation, but granted

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
I disagree. The RFC process is for generating ideas, not making decisions, nor is any author obliged to include ideas he/she doesn't agree with; that's why others can (or could) submit RFCs that contradict it, if they want to. The author is no more obliged to include opposing opinions in

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Adam Turoff
[Moving this discussion to -meta. See Reply-To.] On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:14:39PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: I disagree. The RFC process is for generating ideas, not making decisions, nor is any author obliged to include ideas he/she doesn't agree with; that's why others can (or

Re: RFC 357 (v2) Perl should use XML for documentation instead of POD

2000-10-04 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:42:57PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Any others? There are bugs in the RFC process. Now is the time to fix them. I don't know whether this is worth a separate improvement # but here goes: Too many RFCs live in a vacuum by not not explaining in enough