I have an additional reply to the following ...
At 10:25 PM +1000 7/9/05, Adam Kennedy wrote:
In any case, I still propose that DBI2 split the driver interface
into Roles. The main DBI2::Role::Transport role does ONLY what DBI
does best now. That is, connecting to the database, preparing and
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Robin Redeker wrote:
I wasn't thinking 'cool', I was thinking 'visually distinctive and
mnemonic'. I actually think o. is cooler.
Yes, i would like o. more too. At least it doesn't introduce
a completly meaningless '/' preceded by a '.'.
Hmmm... I am one of those who
On 7/9/05, Darren Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 1:03 AM -0700 7/9/05, Jonathan Leffler wrote:
Can you explain which parts of the SQL:2003 mandate this notation?
I've had a moderately good poke around my copy of ISO/IEC
9075-2:2003 (SQL/Foundation) and cannot find this. I'd like a few
driver://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port/instance
I haven't been following this too closely, so my apologies
if already mentioned.
This connect string is very much like the new Easy Connect
Naming method in Oracle 10g.
eg. sqlplus scott/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port/service
Note that it is not
No - you don't seem to understand. The challenge-response protocol can ask
someone for the RSA key fob number this time, their mother's maiden name the
next time, their employee number the time after that, and nothing on the
fourth occasion. You cannot predict what the extra information
Ingo,
On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
Hi,
class Foo {}
class Bar is Foo {}
Bar.new.isa(Object);# true
Bar.new.isa(Class); # false
Bar.new.isa(Foo); # true
Bar.new.isa(Bar); # true
# These are clear, I think.
Yes, these all make sense
Adam Kennedy wrote:
My god! What is this wonderful module of which you speak?
Text::TypingEffort is available on CPAN.
Finally a chance to help in the argument that ideas that try to force
less characters in a huffman-inspired nightmare might make life worse
from a actually typing it in
Hi,
Stevan Little wrote:
On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
Bar.isa(Object);# true
Bar.isa(Class); # true
Bar.isa(Foo); # ? (my guess: false)
Bar.isa(Bar); # ? (my guess: false)
I am not sure about this. I think that .isa as a
On 7/11/05, Ingo Blechschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
my $x = 42;
my $y = $x;
$y++;
say $x; # Still 42, of course
class Foo {
has $.data;
method incr () { $.data++ }
# Please fill in appropriate magic here
}
I think it's just `class Foo is
On 7/11/05, Ingo Blechschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
class Foo {
has $.data;
method incr () { $.data++ }
# Please fill in appropriate magic here
}
my Foo $x .= new(:data(42));
my Foo $y = $x;
$y.incr();
say $x.data;# Should still be 42
say $x =:= $y;
Ingo,
On Jul 11, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
I am not sure about this. I think that .isa as a class method should
behave much as it does for an instance method. If we start supporting
things like Bar.isa(Class) then we start exposing the soft underbelly
of the meta-model to the
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 09:46:30AM -0400, Stevan Little wrote:
: Ingo,
:
: On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
: Hi,
:
: class Foo {}
: class Bar is Foo {}
:
: Bar.new.isa(Object);# true
: Bar.new.isa(Class); # false
: Bar.new.isa(Foo); # true
:
Hi,
Stevan Little wrote:
Actually I was thinking that MyClass.isa(...) would work much as it
did in Perl 5 (like an instance). But that access to the underlying
MyClass class instance would not be as simple. Something like
::MyClass would provide access to the Class instance.
class Foo
Hi,
Larry Wall wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 09:46:30AM -0400, Stevan Little wrote:
: On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
: Bar.isa(Object);# true
: Bar.isa(Class); # true
: Bar.isa(Foo); # ? (my guess: false)
: Bar.isa(Bar); #
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 11:48:09AM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
: Then you don't need any special magic. But if you want to have
: mutator methods that aren't in .= form (which I recommend against for
: value types), maybe the `is value` trait makes the class do the
: `value` role, which gives you a
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 11:14:18AM +0200, Michele Dondi wrote:
: Hmmm... I am one of those who likes ./ more, instead. I mean, I _really_
: like it! Thus, how about making '/' less meaningless, i.e. more
: meaningful, in more general situations?!?
Um, do you have a specific proposal? Like
On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 15:16 +0200, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
Bar.new.isa(Object);# true
Bar.new.isa(Class); # false
Bar.new.isa(Foo); # true
Bar.new.isa(Bar); # true
I'd like to go on a tangent to suggest that anyone who uses .isa() in
actual real code ought to be
Though, arguably, if one is a true Platonist, one should view roles
as Aristotelian, and base classes as Platonic and therefore more
real...but I'm more of an Aristotelian myself, so I tend to think
of the Platonic ideals as less real than reality.
Whatever. Both Plato and Aristotle would
Larry~
On 7/11/05, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 11:14:18AM +0200, Michele Dondi wrote:
: Hmmm... I am one of those who likes ./ more, instead. I mean, I _really_
: like it! Thus, how about making '/' less meaningless, i.e. more
: meaningful, in more general
On Jul 11, 2005, at 3:07 PM, Larry Wall wrote:
Bar.meta.does(CLASS)# true
To me this is just code-reuse on the meta-level. Much like in smalltalk:
MetaClass isa
ClassDescription isa
Behavior isa
Object
and:
Class isa
chromatic,
On Jul 11, 2005, at 4:26 PM, chromatic wrote:
On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 15:16 +0200, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
Bar.new.isa(Object);# true
Bar.new.isa(Class); # false
Bar.new.isa(Foo); # true
Bar.new.isa(Bar); # true
I'd like to go on a tangent to suggest
On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 17:47 -0400, Stevan Little wrote:
I actually agree with you on that. But I would like to clarify it to
say that:
Foo.isa(Bar) # Foo.meta.isa(Bar) || Foo.meta.does(Bar)
... meaning that the .isa() which is supposed to be aliased into the
class from .meta is
On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 12:42 +0200, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
Jonathan Leffler wrote:
I dunno which DBMS support prepare without a database connection, but I
would expect all the mainstream databases to require a database connection.
+1
I'm also far from convinced that there's any
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 05:35:41PM -0400, Stevan Little wrote:
: So going away from philosophy 101 here, and back to CS, it could be
: said that a Class has-a MetaClass (although not in the strict
: user-level-OO sense of the word).
Yes, though I think of it more as delegation. Of course,
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 04:50:56PM -0400, Matt Fowles wrote:
: Yay! I guess I will take this moment to resuggest @^ as a list of
: invocants and $^ =:= @^[0]. I like how the ^ kinda points you the
: right way, also visually distinctive and doesn't get in the way of
: $_...
I don't see much use
(Cross-posting the new ruling from p6l to p6c to discuss implementation
strategy)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:29:28PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
{
let $Larry.decisive = 1;
Okay, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna go back pretty close to
where we were originally, but with a
At 6:30 PM -0700 7/11/05, Dean Arnold wrote:
RE: SQL Parse Trees (or other non-SQL query input)
Since none of (ODBC, JDBC, ADO.NET) seems compelled to
impose this concept on driver writers, I don't see why
DBI should be the vanguard.
I should emphasize that I never expected to be able to send
Yuval asked me off-list if I would comment on the various dispatch algorithms
that have been proposed.
I guess I have used MMD more than most people in this discussion. Indeed,
having both written Class::Multimethods and supervised a PhD that involved
adding MMD to C++, one might have assumed
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:17:01AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:29:28PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: The obvious thought is to have yet another magical, $^H like flag, to
: denote the current dialect. If it is set, then the parser can emit
: .method as $_.method, instead
Darren Duncan wrote:
I should emphasize that I never expected to be able to send any type of
ASTs over the pipe to the database. They would still be interpreted by
the database driver for Perl and/or a wrapper thereon, into the database
native format. Its just that, to an application, it
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 09:04:54PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:17:01AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:29:28PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: The obvious thought is to have yet another magical, $^H like flag, to
: denote the current dialect. If it
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