.join on Array

2008-06-26 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
Following up to a thread on p6c regarding method fallbacks and .join: * What should [1,3,5].join('-') produce? * How about ([1,3,5], 20).join('-') ? Thanks! Pm

Re: .join on Array

2008-06-26 Thread Moritz Lenz
Patrick R. Michaud wrote: Following up to a thread on p6c regarding method fallbacks and .join: * What should [1,3,5].join('-') produce? I'm pretty sure it should be '1-3-5', because [1,3,5] is an Array ref * How about ([1,3,5], 20).join('-') ? Probably the same as (~[1,3,5],

Re: [perl #56230] [PATCH] Multimethods for Complex.

2008-06-26 Thread Moritz Lenz
Another question: Vasily Chekalkin (via RT) wrote: +.sub 'sqrt' :multi(Complex) +.param pmc a +a = sqrt a +.return (a) +.end Do we actually want a sqrt(Complex)? Somebody who is sufficiently mathematically educated to work with complex numbers should now that sqrt() is ambigous,

Type of literals

2008-06-26 Thread Moritz Lenz
In the test suite there are some tests like this: is(1.WHAT, 'Int', '1 as a literal is an Int); This seems to imply that we guarantee the direct type of literals. But do we? Actually I see no need for that. All my programs work fine if the literal 1 is of type Foo, and Foo isa Int. What's our

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Moritz Lenz
(cross-posting to p6l) Ryan Richter wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote: 2) How do we know which numeric type is a class and which is a role? Is there an explicit spec about the types of number literals? That could have some impact on type checking in the

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Moritz Lenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the effort, but it also raises new questions. For example: Int is Num Rakudo doesn't do it that way, because the 'A is B' relation in OO means Every instance of A is also an Instance of B, which certainly isn't

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Moritz Lenz
Mark J. Reed wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Moritz Lenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the effort, but it also raises new questions. For example: Int is Num Rakudo doesn't do it that way, because the 'A is B' relation in OO means Every instance of A is also an Instance of B,

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Trey Harris
In a message dated Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Moritz Lenz writes: I assume that 'Num' is meant to be a non-complex. Then it seems to make sense to assume: Int is Rat Rat is Num Num is Complex or am I off again? S29 seems to have been assuming this, if I'm reading the multis correctly. -- Trey Harris

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Moritz Lenz
Trey Harris wrote: In a message dated Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Moritz Lenz writes: I assume that 'Num' is meant to be a non-complex. Then it seems to make sense to assume: Int is Rat Rat is Num Num is Complex or am I off again? S29 seems to have been assuming this, if I'm reading the multis

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:40:53AM -0400, Trey Harris wrote: In a message dated Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Moritz Lenz writes: I assume that 'Num' is meant to be a non-complex. Then it seems to make sense to assume: Int is Rat Rat is Num Num is Complex or am I off again? S29 seems to have been

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:45:39PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: : Moritz Lenz 3.14 would be a Rat or a Float or whatever : : That's a good question, actually. Does the literal 3.14 get turned : into a Float or a Rat? Float is probably simplest, and matches what : e.g. Lisp does, but you could

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Ryan Richter
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 09:55:09AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: We could go as far as to guarantee that Nums do rational arithmetic out to a certain point, but probably what the financial insitutions want is special fixed-point types that assume a divisor anyway. Would any financial institution

Re: Type of literals

2008-06-26 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 04:03:42PM +0200, Moritz Lenz wrote: : In the test suite there are some tests like this: : is(1.WHAT, 'Int', '1 as a literal is an Int); : : This seems to imply that we guarantee the direct type of literals. But : do we? : : Actually I see no need for that. All my

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread mark . a . biggar
Most financial institutions don't use float, rational or fixed point, they just keep integer pennies. -- Mark Biggar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original message -- From: Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any financial institution

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 09:46:25AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: : the VM somehow sneaks in the appropriate conversion for us if we : actually try to pass an Int to a Rat. I'd point out that this is fundamentally the same decision point that is reached when we want to do boxing, because we basically

Re: Rakudo test miscellanea

2008-06-26 Thread Uri Guttman
RR == Ryan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RR On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 09:55:09AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: We could go as far as to guarantee that Nums do rational arithmetic out to a certain point, but probably what the financial insitutions want is special fixed-point types that

Re: Type of literals

2008-06-26 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Qui, 2008-06-26 às 16:03 +0200, Moritz Lenz escreveu: In the test suite there are some tests like this: is(1.WHAT, 'Int', '1 as a literal is an Int); This seems to imply that we guarantee the direct type of literals. But do we? Actually I see no need for that. All my programs work fine if the