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Re: What is the self pragma?

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Re: Nomenclature Question - BEGIN etc.

My suggestion: consequential blocks -- Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Korajn salutojn, Juerd Waalboer: Perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig Convolution: ICT solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r14489 - doc/trunk/design/syn

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Re: xml and perl 6

. Amen. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Korajn salutojn, Juerd Waalboer: Perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig Convolution: ICT solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ternary endweight alternative?

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Re: Web Module (Was: Perl6 new features)

this by default, because it would make it easier for vendors to choose to use Perl in their base system. It would also make Perl a more attractive choice for embedded systems. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions

Re: Referring to source code within Perldoc: the new A code

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Re: POD - Code entanglement

as *external* documentation. That's nice. Semantics are very useful in documentation, why throw them away? Why not have both? With normal POD as suggested by Damian, you could still generate it from something else. A few macros could help ignore the inline documentation. -- korajn salutojn, juerd

Re: Generalizing ?? !!

Zev Benjamin skribis 2007-06-11 0:57 (-0400): ?? and !! could always return some kind of result object that boolizes to true or false. Can we *please* keep simple things simple? -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict

Re: PERL arrays

couldn't find how to loop over multidimensionally shaped arrays; maybe you can and maybe someone can show an example. ...Are you sure you were asking about Perl 6? -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy

Re: propose renaming Hash to Dict

Dictionaries are usually alphabetically ordered. Hashes are not. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

or Japanese. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sigils by example (was: Re: Is Perl 6 too late?)

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Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

, it would suddenly look a lot \ different. Did you, while reading this, pause, just before different? -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sigils by example

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Re: Sigils by example (was: Re: Is Perl 6 too late?)

and bar flatten my @quux = ($foo, $bar); # These arrays foo and bar do not That's a subtle yet very useful distinction. But this is just very handy, not important. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions

Re: Is Perl 6 too late?

think alternating between the two is close to a perfect balance comma whereas in human languages once, every $few (words) is.probablybetter; period -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL

Re: Sigils by example

Thomas Wittek skribis 2007-05-15 1:52 (+0200): Would it be a good idea to call methods on objects, that never thought of this methods? Absolutely! Roles can be used for that too. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict

Re: What should file test operators return?

be nice if it were configurable. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r14357 - doc/trunk/design/syn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] skribis 2007-03-28 13:17 (-0700): +block) early using the Cbreak verb. More precidely, it leaves the precisely? -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik

Re: lexical subs

Just a short note: please, if this is implemented, make sure that either Perl 6 conforms to Perl 5 behaviour, or the other way around. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: lexical subs

Juerd Waalboer skribis 2007-03-09 21:27 (+0100): Just a short note: please, if this is implemented, make sure that either Perl 6 conforms to Perl 5 behaviour, or the other way around. Wanted to CC this list, but by accident replaced the To instead. Now CC'ing p5p. -- korajn salutojn, juerd

Re: [S09] Whatever indices and shaped arrays

, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik vertrouw stemcomputers niet. Zie http://www.wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/.

Re: for ... else

Thomas Wittek skribis 2007-03-03 23:17 (+0100): Larry Wall: : if ($item = 'foobar') { == of course ;) Or how about eq? :) -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik

Re: Closures, compile time, pad protos

Yuval Kogman skribis 2006-11-22 16:01 (+0200): my $x ::= 3; sub foo { say ++$x }; Why would you be allowed to ++ this $x? It's bound to an rvalue! -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict

Re: Interrogative statements

) { $CALLER::_ = $lhs; } 42?; say($_); # prints 42! # This code is not futuristic. It already works with Pugs. But you wanted a statement thingy. That would require that you modify the Perl 6 grammar. Yes, you can do that with Perl 6. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r12875 - doc/trunk/design/syn

for certain LHS types. I don't like special syntax that looks like normal syntax. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik vertrouw stemcomputers niet. Zie http

Bytes make no sense on text strings

propose that using :bytes on a text string throws an exception. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik vertrouw stemcomputers niet. Zie http

Recursing? hypers

[ 42, 15 ] »+ 1 # 2 [ 42, 15 ] »»+ 1 # [ 43, 16 ] The ASCII variant is a bit big, but that's okay huffmanwise, IMO. Recursion can be a pretty big operation anyway. Being explicit about that is good. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl

Re: Comments in qw// or qqw//

,# go red = #FF, # here ); but with much less punctuation and finger strain. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik vertrouw stemcomputers niet. Zie http

Re: S5: substitutions

the same there. Partly for future-proofness, partly for least surprise. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ik vertrouw stemcomputers niet. Zie http

Re: Nested statement modifiers.

is specifically disallowed Oh. For some reason, I thought this exception was for loops only. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Nested statement modifiers.

, and 1 is always true. So you could just write: say 1; Which seems like a great improvement. It may be more useful to discuss this issue using less contrived examples. :) -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict

Re: Dumb list-flattening question.

]), then what do we call what the \ is doing there, now that references are supposed to be a behind-the-scenes automagical thing? They're captures. I personally wouldn't mind unary $, to supplement unary @ and %. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig

Re: renaming grep to where

' would filter out the ones that pass it. There's a neat trick for this: .grep:{ not ... } HTH :) -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: -X file test operators

the -X filetest operators between at least audreyt, Juerd, myself and markstos. The problem with these operators was that they conflicted in some cases with the parsing of unary -, such as: foo(-?? * 2 * $r); or just: sub x($n) { $n*2 } foo(-x $number); The problem

Re: -X file test operators

generating method names by interpolation without needing a temp variable.) First impressions: Ugly, hard to type, not a solution for -e, weird syntax. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL

Re: -X file test operators

character, but it costs a lot of grokability. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Outlaw to declare a lexical twice in the same scope

, just like implicit declaration. If we do this, we get only typo checking, and none of the other nice protection that lexical declaration gives us. -- korajn salutojn, juerd waalboer: perl hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://juerd.nl/sig convolution: ict solutions and consultancy [EMAIL

Re: Naming the method form of s///

in expressions, you wouldn't use the parenless form of the method call much. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Naming the method form of s///

=~ was a binding operator, and s/// fit right in. But Perl 6's ~~ is a matching operator, and in my opinion should remain pure, and so: not mutate. I'm even a bit inclined to suggest that .m// should return matches, while ~~m// should return a bool. But ignore that for now :) Juerd -- http

Re: Naming the method form of s///

the problem. It is indeed a modifier on the *match*, or the *substitution*. Just not on the *regex*. What you pass to a .subst method is a regex, not a match. The difference is that matches and substitutions are actions, while a regex is an object, i.e. data. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Naming the method form of s///

stuff like :2nd and :3th. And if we're parsing anyway, you might as well pass in a string. Indeed, :g would only be syntactic sugar. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: but semantics (was Re: Naming the method form of s///)

, regardless what its RHS is. Agreed, and that's why $foo but s/// would be a reasonable replacement for what's currently still $foo.subst(//, ''). subst doesn't mutate. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl

Re: Contextual::Return (was Re: could 'given' blocks have a return value?)

Damian Conway skribis 2006-08-31 9:08 (+1000): return want.rw ?? $lvalue :: want.count == 2 ?? (7,11) :: want.item ?? 42 :: want.list ?? 1..10 ::die Bad context; s:g/::/!!/ # :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Naming the method form of s///

don't think substitution belongs in a smart match op. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Naming the method form of s///

(/foo/, bar) $foo.s(/foo/, bar) $foo.s/foo/bar/ Hm. I don't know how but works exactly, but in the realm of syntactic sugar, this is appealing: $foo but s/foo/bar/ (Note that while but is long, it's extremely easy to type.) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: clarifying the spec for 'ref'

| I'm curious what this was supposed to look like. :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: clarifying the spec for 'ref'

the value of an element at an index You define in terms of functionality, but don't provide an explanation for the chosen point of view. One could say that constant arrays protect against modifications, which normal arrays don't. Hence, constant arrays do *more*. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: clarifying the spec for 'ref'

?! Please, no. Though in practice I expect is ro to be used, not a subtype or subset. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: clarifying the spec for 'ref'

Trey Harris skribis 2006-08-25 13:26 (-0700): Explain to me how nontraditional DBC might work in an internally consistent way. Otherwise, this is hand-waving. :-) Perl *is* hand-waving.

Re: Pair of lists = list of pairs?

Mark J. Reed skribis 2006-08-23 17:43 (-0400): But is there an easy way in Perl6 to do it all in one go? Should this work? my %h = @k [=] @v; Hyper is not [], but . And = works perfectly in Pugs, and does exactly what you describe. [] is for reduction, and is prefix: [+] 1,2,3 Juerd

Re: underscores in the core lib

: On 8/6/06, Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not answer above the quote. Regards, Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: DOC: glossary

I haven't actually read your message, just the Subject, because I was just going to bed. Be sure to check out http://pugs.kwiki.org/?Perl6Nomenclature Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Synchronized / Thread syntax in Perl 6

serializing to a serial format, like disk. Locked is the best name I can think of, and it frankly isn't that good -- it's so vauge as to be able to mean almost anything. is exclusive Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Perl 6 Wiki -- 2 more possibilities, further discussion.

Please, for proper threading, don't reply to multiple messages at once. Conrad Schneiker skribis 2006-05-25 1:46 (-0700): Juerd wrote: Feather, the semi-public, semi-private, Perl 6 development server, is available to host a Perl 6 wiki. The hostname www.perl6.nl is deliberately kept

Re: (Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6).

is possible, but there will be people who will interpret that meta-info. Besides that, the page is kind of slow... But that could be temporary. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: A rule by any other name...

named methods and rules may be a wise idea (I'm not sure they are), the anonymous forms are probably very useful to have around. my $method = method { ... }; $object.$method(...); Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Scans

scans in Perl 6. To make sure I understand what you mean, not as a proposed implementation: my @input = (...); my @scan = map { [op] @input[0..$_] } [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Is this what you mean? Hm, could that be written as: my @scan = [op] @input[ 0 .. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ] Juerd

Re: Scans

Gaal Yahas skribis 2006-05-08 17:58 (+0300): (Is there special sugar to make @input be the last index when used in a range, or did you mean ..^ ?) I meant @input.last, or probably @input.indices (or .keys?) instead of the entire range, and @input.first instead of the first 0. Juerd -- http

Re: [S05] /ee

Dr.Ruud skribis 2006-05-05 15:25 (+0200): s/pattern/{ eval doit() }/ s/eval/try/ ? No, string eval stays eval. Only block eval is renamed to try. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Linking Synopses to corresponding pod-files?

Markus Laire skribis 2006-05-04 14:55 (+0300): When reading Synopses, I sometimes notice some mistakes or typos, which I'd like to submit a patch for, but it's not easy to do so as I don't know where to get the source. Have you tried s/html/pod/? :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Perl 6 Perl 6 Wiki Wiki (RFC: Community education page)

on the outside, this will do Perl 6 much good. I've been meaning to do this myself, but I'm past the point where I give up waiting for sufficient sufficiently round tuits. Of course, feather can host it :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: A shorter long dot

something that's common in a certain programming language, that programming language was badly designed. Let's not let Perl 6 be such a language. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: A shorter long dot

think healthy discussion can lead to a much better solution than the current long dot. People who think it wastes their time, by now know what this thread is about, and can choose to ignore it. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: A shorter long dot

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Re: A shorter long dot

Yuval Kogman skribis 2006-04-30 2:58 (+0300): We need to be careful not to require the language to solve problems that are better solved with tools. On that point I agree, but I think it was a question of aesthetics... Juerd? Yes, it was about both aesthetics and the extra work

Re: A shorter long dot

for my needs. Not sure if people are willing to give up their underscore-only method names, though. Perhaps whitespace can be allowed in numbers too: 5 000 000; 5_000_000; Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl

Re: A shorter long dot

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Re: A shorter long dot

Gaal Yahas skribis 2006-04-30 16:05 (+0300): But it doesn't work across lines: $and_a_long_one_I_still_want_to_align. :foo() Explain to me why it wouldn't work, please. I don't get it. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

A shorter long dot

16:50 audreyt Juerd: write to p6l and explain the .. conflict, The current long dot consists of a dot, then whitespace, and then another dot. The whitespace is mandatory, which makes the construct at least three characters long. Tripling the length of an operator, just to make it alignable

Fw: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: A shorter long dot

) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A shorter long dot Testing with sbc30k [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 16:50 audreyt Juerd: write to p6l and explain the .. conflict, The current long dot consists of a dot, then whitespace, and then another dot. The whitespace is mandatory, which makes the construct

Re: S5 - Question about repetition qualifier

: $hex_wep_key ~~ /^ hexdigit**{10|26} $/ Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: =$fh vs *$fh

lines] I wish I had time to read it all. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r8573 - doc/trunk/design/syn

it breaks almost everyone's syntax style, not just that of a few. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r8573 - doc/trunk/design/syn

predictible. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl 6 design wiki?

you intended the module to be used, it doesn't cover all the bases. See DBIx::XHTML_Table and Apache::Session, that have nothing to do with DBI and Apache, respectively. More and more, I like cute names that don't really describe the module. We have abstracts for the latter. Juerd -- http

Re: Instance attributes collision

has $.a; has @.a; To result in both $.a and @.a, but only one method .a, which is an accessor for @.a Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Instance attributes collision

Luke Palmer skribis 2006-02-13 9:46 (+): class Baz { does Foo; does Bar; # does this count as double declaration? } I'd put composition and inheritance in a slightly different category than accessor *generators*. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: The definition of 'say'

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Conversion oneliner t-shirt

in there for me, or anyone except Cafepress. (I did add $ 0.01 because I think .99 values are incredibly silly.) Please donate to TPF separately :) Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: ff and fff [Was: till (the flipflop operator, formerly ..)]

loud in our perl poetr^H^H^H^H^Hmusic. :-) We need pp and ppp for balance. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: ff and fff [Was: till (the flipflop operator, formerly ..)]

someone will suggest the ff ligature. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

[OT] Re: Parrot and PGE will save the day (was Re: as if [Was: Selective reuse of storage in bless.] )

a'). Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl 6 OO and bless

. Classes, like OO syntax, are not necessary for OO. You can write code that behaves like you're in OO-land and that talks with an OO accent (so long as you don't look behind the curtain), but it's not OO. Your definition of OO is far too specific for a 2-letter acronym. Juerd -- http

Re: Perl 6 OO and bless

-use code more easily. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl 6's bless is (seriously) broken

is blessed is not a literal hash, but an instance of ^Hash. The mistake here is that Foo doesn't does Hash, I think. Sure, in Perl 5, you could have different kinds of references as instances of the same class. But I don't recall ever having encountered that. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl

Re: Perl 6's bless is (seriously) broken

wrong for Perl6. I think it's needed to be able to convert Perl 5 code semi-automatically. But you have probably thought about this more than I, so I'll ask you: what's the alternative? Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Perl 6's bless is (seriously) broken

Juerd skribis 2006-01-19 22:18 (+0100): Could you live with @foo being an array, and @foo in scalar context returning a reference to that array? And with arrays being interfaces to underlying Arrays, which are objects, which makes arrays non-objects that can be used *as* objects? This turns

Re: Perl 6's bless is (seriously) broken

of the same class. But I don't recall ever having encountered that. bless([] = 'Foo'); bless({} = 'Foo'); bless(\*Foo = 'Foo'); bless(\(my $var) = 'Foo'); Okay, now I did encounter it... Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http

Re: Perl 6's bless is (seriously) broken

to reflect this. I was more thinking along the lines of NOT everything is an object, but some things are. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl 6's bless is (seriously) broken

, noting the accesses into the Perl5 reference that you used and calling those attributes. 3) It then creates your BUILD() method, putting all the non-bless components of your new() into it. Doesn't solve the problems as mentioned in this thread, like overlapping methods. Juerd -- http

Re: Perl 6 OO and bless

it that) did not. The two are wildly incompatible, but we do want both. Well, perhaps you do not, but many of us here do. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: split on empty string

Jonathan Lang skribis 2006-01-18 7:26 (-0800): Mark Reed wrote: Perl6 .split(/whatever/) is equivalent to split(/whatever/,) in Perl5. I'm hoping that the perl 5 syntax will still be valid in perl 6. Don't worry, it is. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: Table of Perl 6 Types

... and ...$foo? MMD, longest-match, ugly hacks, there's a bag full of tricks that could be used, so I gathered there must be a philosophical reason not to have this. I just can't think of any that would weigh more than having ...$foo around. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http

Re: binding arguments

, and the aliasing itself had nothing to do with the substitution. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: binding arguments

Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2006-01-05 18:32 (+0100): Juerd wrote: Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2005-12-25 17:37 (+0100): I disagree about binding only being a language thing: I fail to see how your example code illustrates your disagreement. return 42 if (my $short

Re: Deep copy

, that for a referenced hash defaults to the opposite of what it defaults to for a literal anonymous hash. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: real ranges

probably be done with any($range.min, $range.max) == $boundary. I'd assume $foo $range to compare $foo to the number of elements in the range, OR $foo $range to mean $foo $range.min, and $foo $range to mean $foo $range.max, and would be surprised if they meant anything else. Juerd -- http

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