On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:25:52AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote:
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 12:16:33AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:
I'd actually like to see some work on the shared memory and IPC stuff on
the language list--it'd be nice to have them in as mostly-primitives,
though in a more
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:03:42AM -0400, Grant M. wrote:
Just trying to catch up. This is where I understand the discussion
stands:
INTERNALS(?)
modular language:
Scanner/Symbol Table/Parser/Executor
Internals.
Standard Functions separate from core (moving to language?)
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:25:33PM +, Nick Ing-Simmons wrote:
Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, I disagree. Perl gains a lot of its expressive power from being lax
about typing. I suspect it will also impose an unacceptable overhed for
the vast majority who don't want it -
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:47:24PM +0100, Alan Burlison wrote:
I suspect reorganising the data structures to be cache
friendly would gain more benefit than avoiding a few inline bit
twiddles.
We should do both.
Tim.
On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:21:38AM -0400, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:40:09PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:57:27AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
http://windows.oreilly.com/news/hejlsberg_0800.html
Impressive. Quite deeply impressive.
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:23:27PM +0200, Dominic Dunlop wrote:
At 15:19 +0100 2000-08-01, Tim Bunce wrote:
RegEx (internals?)
Yes, Yes, Yes.
I could argue for regex being language too:
If the language group is
going to give each of perl's reserved words (and much else
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:57:27AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
raptor writes:
: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/rt/07282000/transcript.html
That's a good summary of what we've been thinking. Here's another
article that talks about a lot of the things we *should* be thinking.
In fact,
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 09:25:34AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: Yep. Or more generally "Standardize Perl on all platforms to one
: common time epoch" and reccommend the Unix epoch since it's so
: widespread. :-)
Oh, gee, where's your sense of history? (As in
On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 11:49:51AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
David I was primarily addressing the issue of the P5P allowing the
David language to be controlled by corporate presence through a
David purchased pumking, and not taking responsibility for the
David language sufficient to
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 10:14:20AM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Since everyone's spinning aimlessly around, I'll throw out something for
everyone to think about, and perhaps we can get a PDD out of it.
One of the features of perl 6 is going to be the ability to automatically
use a module if
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 11:47:43AM -0500, John Porter wrote:
And isn't this rather off-topic for this list?
Sounds more like an internals thing...
No. I think this is an area where the language should lead.
I also think we need to define what an 'interface definition' should
look like and/or
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:35:59AM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 02:17 PM 2/5/2001 -0200, Branden wrote:
I think that, if you want this behavior, a module that implements it
would be just fine. (Why muck with "use"?) To use a module name
that seems like it could fit this purpose:
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote:
Let's leave -e alone for now and worry about handling specific
incompatibilities when we in fact have some specific incompatibilities to
worry about.
Amen.
Tim.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 02:49:07PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
I don't get it.
The first and foremost duty of Perl 6 is to parse and execute Perl 6.
If it doesn't, it's not Perl 6. I will call this the Prime Directive.
Great, but don't loose sight of the fact that a key feature of
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 03:44:25PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
Dan Sugalski writes:
: I hadn't really considered having a separate module for each type of site
: policy decision.
Er, neither had I. Each site only has one policy file. I just want it
named after the actual site, not some
Early on in the life of Perl 5 Larry adopted the convention that
subroutines that Perl calls automatically for you should have
all-caps names[*].
I'm not uncomfortable with the apparent try/CATCH inconsistency.
I suspect that having CATCH etc. be lowercase would create a greater
inconsistency in
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 10:29:58AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote:
On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 18:20, Damian Conway wrote:
Miko O'Sullivan wrote:
before { ... } # run before first iteration,
# only if there is at least one iteration
Larry is still considering
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 11:33:06AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 2:26 PM +0100 4/26/02, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 01:25:15PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 12:36 PM -0400 4/23/02, Buddha Buck wrote:
OK, but that limits you to the, um, 24 standard levels of
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 12:00:13AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|On 6/4/02 12:22 PM, David Wheeler wrote:
| I think that if we can agree to forego backwards compatibility, we might
| also be in a better position to set up a CP6AN with much better quality
| control. All of the most
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 01:23:24PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote:
I'm also trying to think of more bits to throw in. Particularly in terms of
the OO system, this being a conference about OO. From what I've heard so
far, Perl 6's OO system will be largely playing catch up with other
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 05:13:01PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 09:20:01PM +0100, Dave Mitchell wrote:
On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 01:23:24PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Hopefully the Cabal [2] can debunk that.
[snip]
[2] Of which there is none.
and
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:29:08PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 7:18 PM +0100 7/11/02, Dave Mitchell wrote:
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:41:20AM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:
The place where you'll run into problems in where you have multiple
variables of the same name at the same level,
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:14:15AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
Sean O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
languages/perl6/README sort of hides it, but it does say that If you have
Perl = 5.005_03, $a += 3 may fail to parse. I guess we can upgrade
that to if you have 5.6, you lose.
I notice
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:04:14PM -0700, Michael Lazzaro wrote:
*: (undefness and properties lost)
Using/converting an uppercase type as/to a lowercase (primitive)
type is silently allowed. If you're sending an Int to something that
requires an Cint, you know that the 'something'
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 05:48:58PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
But then I'm one of those freaks who likes the idea of keeping core Perl 6
generic, extensible, clean and small, and letting all the clever stuff go
into extensions, a heretical position which is way out of favour with the
more
Perhaps someone could post a summary of how the issue has been
tackled in other languages that support a similar concept.
I've not seen one (but then I've not been paying attention, so
forgive me if it's need done already, and perhaps point me to a url).
Tim.
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:51:04PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
Yes, that's in the works. The plan is to have four Unicode support levels.
These would be declared by lexically scoped declarations:
use bytes 'ISO-8859-1';
use codepoints;
use graphemes;
use letters 'Turkish';
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
My console can be any of several platforms - in the last couple of weeks
it has been a Linux box, a Windows PC, a Mac, a Sun workstation, and a
real vt320 attached to a Sun. My mail sits on a hosted Linux box. To
read it, I
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:47:40PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
=head1 Compact structs
A class whose attributes are all low-level types can behave as
a struct.
all low-level types or all low-level *sized* types?
(I'm wondering about char arrays, string and pointers.)
I presume a char[n] array
So far http://pleac.sourceforge.net/ has comparative Perl Cookbook
example for these languages:
- perl, 100.00% done (naturally, since they're from the book)
- python, 63.43% done
- ruby, 62.43% done
- guile, 30.00% done
- merd, 28.86% done
- ada, 26.00% done
- tcl, 25.00% done
- ocaml,
Once upon a time I said:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/perl.dbi.users/msg/caf189d7b404a003?dmode=sourcehl=en
and wrote
http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI/Roadmap.pod
which yielded:
https://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=Fund+Drive+Detailsselfund=102
(A little over $500 of
://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=Contribution%20Infoselfund=102
-Original Message-
From: Tim Bunce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:06 PM
To: perl6-language@perl.org; dbi-users@perl.org
Subject: DBI v2 - The Plan and How You Can Help
Once upon
Anyone done any work on parsing Java interface definitions?
And, ideally, translating them into roughly equivalent Perl 6?
Tim.
On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 10:25:32PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
In particular, the DBI must not mandate impossible levels of support from
the drivers. It will benefit you nothing if the DBI is immaculate and
wonderful and incredibly all-singing and all-dancing, but no-one can write
a driver
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 03:58:54PM -0400, John Siracusa wrote:
On 8/16/05, Tim Bunce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was a little dissapointed that there wasn't greater focus on using
Perl6 features - especially as it would have helped kick-start my own
understanding of Perl6 topics that I
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:16:19PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote:
At 4:04 PM +0100 8/16/05, Tim Bunce wrote:
I was a little dissapointed that there wasn't greater focus on using
Perl6 features - especially as it would have helped kick-start my own
understanding of Perl6 topics that I expect
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:12:02PM -0700, Dean Arnold wrote:
Tim Bunce wrote:
And nobody mentioned JDBC as a potential model. Odd that.
I was sorely tempted to do so (and did mention it a few times in
my posts, along w/ ODBC and ADO.NET), but there are some things about
JDBC which rub me
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 09:43:41PM -0400, Matt Fowles wrote:
Java on Parrot
Tim Bunce asked some preliminary questions about Java on Parrot. I
provide preliminary answers, and Nattfodd and Autrijus posted links to
related work. The important question of what it should
The Class::Role and Class::Roles modules on CPAN implement a form of
compile-time Perl6 role composition for Perl5.
Neither supports run-time role composition, as-in:
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S12.html#Roles
The does operator returns the object so you can nest mixins:
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:59:48PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote:
That's partly why I added the following idea to The Perl Foundation's Summer
of Code
project list (http://www.perl.org/advocacy/summerofcode/ideas.html):
Reimplement the DBI v1 API in Pugs
Design an implementation of the DBI
mentor: Tim Bunce)
Trying to come up with both a new architecture and a new API was too much.
A great deal can be achieved by radically refactoring the internals
while keeping the same old API (i.e. don't move the goal posts).
I'm sure a new API will naturally emerge from this work, but it won't
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:55:57PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
Dave Whipp wrote:
I'm not a great fan of this concept of reservation when there is no
mechanism for its enforcement (and this is perl...).
What makes you assume there will be no mechanism for enforcement? The
standard Pod
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 03:57:01PM -0700, Jonathan Lang wrote:
Tim Bunce wrote:
Damian Conway wrote:
Dave Whipp wrote:
I'm not a great fan of this concept of reservation when there is no
mechanism for its enforcement (and this is perl...).
What makes you assume
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:29PM -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote:
I'm pleased to announce the inaugural Perl 6 Microgrants program.
Best Practical Solutions (my company) has donated USD5,000 to The
Perl Foundation to help support Perl 6 Development. Leon Brocard,
representing The Perl
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:53:32PM +0800, Agent Zhang wrote:
On 6/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi I am sameer and am new to this group. It would realy help if any
body can let me know is there a book or reference guiode where in i
can get help regarding the perl/java
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:24:04PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:14, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
Hi all. I've enjoyed(?) reading over the February/March thread
On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 07:01:39PM +1000, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Tim Bunce wrote:
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:24:04PM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
On 2008 Oct
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:40:41PM +0100, Mark Overmeer wrote:
We should focus on OS abstraction.
[...] the design of this needs to be free from historical mistakes.
And avoid making too many new ones. There must be useful prior art around.
Java, for example, has a FileSystem abstraction
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:54:50PM +0100, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote:
Author: moritz
Date: 2009-01-05 17:54:50 +0100 (Mon, 05 Jan 2009)
New Revision: 24769
+=item can
+
+ our Bool multi method can ($self:, Str $method)
+
+If there is a multi method of name C$method that can be
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 04:41:12PM -0800, Ovid wrote:
I really don't think this is a bug, but it did confuse the heck out of me at
first. This *is* expected behavior due to how {} is interpolated in strings,
yes?
$ perl6 -e 'my $foo = foo;say ~ $foo ~ '
foo
$ perl6 -e 'my $foo =
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:19:44AM -0500, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:30:07PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
Referring to Patrick's blog about an official 'useable' version of
Rakudo, a suggestion:
Since Rakudo* (not sure how it is to be written) is intended
I'm working on an update to my Perl - Baseless Myths and Startling
Realities talk. (Which I'll be giving in Dublin, Moscow and Pisa in the
few weeks!)
I got great help on the Perl 5 portion of the talk when I asked via my blog
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:49:41PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
For the slides on Rakudo, I would suggest adding the modules that are
associated with proto as measure of code written in perl6. There is a list
of 27 projects. proto in itself is an interesting installer.
I wasn't aware of
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:07:40PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote:
pp 22-23 - You might want to update the screen captures related to Moose,
both its search.cpan page and dependency graph, since its moved a long way
from 2008; on the other hand, the existing captures are still quite
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:40:46AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
Darren Duncan wrote:
So another proposal I have is to add to the slideshow mentions of the
Enlightened and Modern Perl movements and where one can go to read more,
this being supplemental to PBP.
With that suggestion I'd
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:46:54PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Tim ():
I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially
interested in updates for:
page 73 - Perl 6 implementations
I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:46:33PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Tim (), Carl (), Tim ():
I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially
interested in updates for:
page 73 - Perl 6 implementations
I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:15:10PM -0400, Nathan Gray wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15:05PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote:
You can find my current draft at http://files.me.com/tim.bunce/65oikg
(2.3MB PDF)
page 73 - Haskell should be spelled with two Ls
Thank you! I kept wondering
I gave the talk at OSSBarcamp in Dublin last weekend and it went well.
My sincere thanks to everyone who contributed.
The slides are available at:
http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909
The graphs and stats charting the continuing growth of perl and the perl
community were
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02:58PM +0100, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote:
Author: lwall
New Revision: 29770
Modified:
docs/Perl6/Spec/S04-control.pod
+resumed that the stack is unwound the the phasers called.
the the
Tim.
This struck me as interesting...
http://highscalability.com/blog/2010/6/18/paper-the-declarative-imperative-experiences-and-conjectures.html
The Declarative Imperative: Experiences and Conjectures in Distributed Logic
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2010/EECS-2010-90.pdf
Tim.
This thread reminded me of something I'd posted a while ago:
---snip---
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:11 +
From: Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com
To: Richard Hainsworth rich...@rusrating.ru, perl6-language@perl.org
Subject: Re: Files, Directories, Resources, Operating Systems
On Wed, Nov 26
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:22:33AM -0700, Damian Conway wrote:
What we really need is some anecdotal evidence from folks who are actually
using threading in real-world situations (in *any* languages). What has worked
in practice? What has worked well? What was painful? What was error-prone?
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 03:42:00PM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote:
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ben Goldberg ben-goldb...@hotmail.com
wrote:
If thread-unsafe subroutines are called, then something like ithreads
might be used.
For the love of $DEITY, let's please not repeat ithreads!
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 04:00:02AM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote:
So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we
can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts are:
- Don't clone a live interpreter
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52:00PM -0400, Benjamin Goldberg wrote:
From: tim.bu...@pobox.com
So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we
can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts are:
- Don't clone a live interpreter.
Start a new
.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 01:22:10PM +0200, Leon Timmermans wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Tim Bunce tim.bu...@pobox.com wrote:
If you wanted to start a hundred threads in a language that has good
support for async constructs you're almost
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 01:18:09AM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Damian (), Matt ():
Perhaps we need to think more Perlishly and reframe the entire question.
Not: What threading model do we need?, but: What kinds of non-sequential
programming tasks do we want to make easy...and how would we like
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:04:18AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:52:00PM -0400, Benjamin Goldberg wrote:
From: tim.bu...@pobox.com
So I'd like to use this sub-thread to try to identify when lessons we
can learn from ithreads. My initial thoughts
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